Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[Purrrrfecta]

So you answer my questions with questions????????

Anyhow here go my answers
No
No
No, the majority of the black voters never voted for Hillary since the beginning of the primaries.
Dont know what you are referring too!

I am being very fair. Just stating some facts, not rhetoric. As you have above.

Nah, I was not answering your questions with questions.
I want you to be fair and honest to yourself and to the HS here. What I mean is this. Whenever I mess up. I can't go off and make fun and ridicule the person who was in my way. I have to be reflective and understand things did not go the way they should have.

I am not going to hate Obama because he won. I think her campaign messed up. They did not predict what would happen and they lost. So therefore I say to myself that smeering someone like Sean Hannity does on his talk show is not going to make the situation change.

As for the Blacks- you are in New York aren't you?
Rangel, Rev. Calvin Butts at Abyssinian Baptist Church all supported her. She had many more powerful ones in that situation including: Maxine Waters, and Johnson CEO of BET. What happened was that when Bill decided to open his big mouth and compare Obama's win in SC to Jessie Jackson's. Let's reflect on this now let's not talk about what someone else did. I want to see us take responsibility for Bill.The preliminary election polls numbers dropped significiantly for the number of blacks who were going to vote for Clinton.

The Clintons had it in the bag with black America: Bill had his office in Harlem. His "best" friend, Vernon Jordan was black. Blacks considered him "America's first Black president." People like Rev. Al Sharpton were saying Obama was "not black enough."

My point here is that when Clinton started using vocabulary like "boy," and making remarks about Obama he crossed the line according to the media and they ran with Clinton's words.

So what did the Clinton's do? They got him right where it hurt by using that Church in Chicago to get him back! Tit for tat. You get black people to hate us, and we will get white people to hate you. The only problem is that Obama was not trying to get black people to hate her. They did that on their own by letting Billy Clinton try to run the show.

The only problem is that it was the Clinton's who made the mistake of making the wrong call on how to play the race card, and they got caught out there. This is what prompted them to go to plan 2

They revamped their campaign, and they got new help.

They played it, and they played it successfully, but it has, unfortunately, backfired because she has lost the respect of many.

Ooops, don't say it doesn't matter - because it does.
Don't compare her to Obama. We have to take reponsibility for what she has done wrong and accept it so we can write to her website and let her know how she can help make the situation better. We can't go around and cry and try to manipulate the minds by sounding like talk radio. That is not how we unifiy this DNC.

 

[Dolce27]

YHOOOO HOOOOOOOOO TAG FAIRY...over here!

I like my tags as is, thank you!

BO did deny the tapes excistence yesterday....Sort of!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_denies_a_rumor_and_questions_the_question.html

It takes him awhile to deny anything ... and usually he's lying with his denial so I'll take whatever he says with a grain of salt. There are way too many specific details leaked for this tape to not exist.


The Obama quote of the day:

"In 2016, I'll be wrapping up my second term as president," Obama said. "So I can't think of a better way than to be marching into Washington Park ... as president of the United States and announcing to the world, 'Let the games begin!'"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/ap_on_el_pr/political_play_of_the_day

Note to Obama: You've got to win the election first.

 

[MAKmom]

Can you imagine if Hillary demands at the Convention to be VP? It would be a great way to raise money.....the convention could be on Pay per veiw or give it to the highest bidder like the Super bowl

I agree there is more to learn about BO. I think Hillary knows it & the GOP knows it.

 

[DISUNC]

Nah, I was not answering your questions with questions.
I want you to be fair and honest to yourself and to the HS here. What I mean is this. Whenever I mess up. I can't go off and make fun and ridicule the person who was in my way. I have to be reflective and understand things did not go the way they should have. .

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I am not going to hate Obama because he won. I think her campaign messed up. They did not predict what would happen and they lost. So therefore I say to myself that smeering someone like Sean Hannity does on his talk show is not going to make the situation change. .

I dont hate Obama because he won...i hated him long before that. I just dont think he is anywhere near qualified to be President. I think he is a flim flam man who feeds off of liberal quilt, and peoples fears.
I have never listened to Sean Hannity a day in my life so I cant compare.

As for the Blacks- you are in New York aren't you?.

No, I am in PA, and there are black people here. In fact for all you know I just may be black.

Rangel, Rev. Calvin Butts at Abyssinian Baptist Church all supported her. She had many more powerful ones in that situation including: Maxine Waters, and Johnson CEO of BET.

True so what?
I do believe the stats are that 90% of black people did vote for Obama.

What happened was that when Bill decided to open his big mouth and compare Obama's win in SC to Jessie Jackson's. Let's reflect on this now let's not talk about what someone else did. I want to see us take responsibility for Bill.The preliminary election polls numbers dropped significiantly for the number of blacks who were going to vote for Clinton..

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong on this.
1) The Obama love fest media pounched on Bill. Everything he said & did was molehills made into MOUNTAINS! Everything Obama said was "misunderstood"!
2) Once Obama "won" Iowa, for some odd reason he was then canonized by the Press as the next best thing since Christ.

The Clintons had it in the bag with black America: Bill had his office in Harlem. His "best" friend, Vernon Jordan was black. Blacks considered him "America's first Black president." People like Rev. Al Sharpton were saying Obama was "not black enough."..

The Clintons spent more than half of their lives supporting, fighting for their rights and aligning them selfs with Americas Black population. Any anyone who denies their lifelong devotion is seriously delusional.

My point here is that when Clinton started using vocabulary like "boy," and making remarks about Obama he crossed the line according to the media and they ran with Clinton's words.

So what did the Clinton's do? They got him right where it hurt by using that Church in Chicago to get him back! Tit for tat. You get black people to hate us, and we will get white people to hate you. The only problem is that Obama was not trying to get black people to hate her. They did that on their own by letting Billy Clinton try to run the show.

The only problem is that it was the Clinton's who made the mistake of making the wrong call on how to play the race card, and they got caught out there. This is what prompted them to go to plan 2

They revamped their campaign, and they got new help.

They played it, and they played it successfully, but it has, unfortunately, backfired because she has lost the respect of many.

Ooops, don't say it doesn't matter - because it does.
Don't compare her to Obama. We have to take reponsibility for what she has done wrong and accept it so we can write to her website and let her know how she can help make the situation better. We can't go around and cry and try to manipulate the minds by sounding like talk radio. That is not how we unifiy this DNC.

What are you talking about???????????
Obama Played the race card...he started that 20 years ago!!!!!

As far as unifying the party...I could give a flip. That sicko logic is way too dysfunctional for me. The DNC big whigs played the lets divide everyone, then ignore our consituients and fix the primary so it goes the way we want (a candidate that we can easily control) and after we beat everyone to a pulp we will DEMAND UNITY!

They are no better than a man who beats his wife and says "you made me do it, and I forgive you"!!!!! As you can see my PUMA logo means something.

Can you imagine if Hillary demands at the Convention to be VP? It would be a great way to raise money.....the convention could be on Pay per veiw or give it to the highest bidder like the Super bowl

I agree there is more to learn about BO. I think Hillary knows it & the GOP knows it.

Pay per view.."Are You READY TO RUMBLE"

 

[DISUNC]

UPDATE ON MICHELLE OBAMA Video

Is Bogus Michelle Obama Rumor Based On A Work Of Fiction?

Is it possible that the bogus Michelle Obama rumor you've all heard by now is actually based on a work of fiction?

The rumor in question is one that's been circulating in recent weeks to the effect that there's video out there of Michelle Obama saying something derogatory about white people.

Not a single shred of evidence has surfaced to support this claim. Nobody has actually said they've personally seen it. It hasn't been posted to YouTube as you'd expect on something this juicy. Even Republican operatives we've spoken to say they don't believe it exists.

Despite the tenuousness of this rumor, Obama was actually asked about this non-existent video in front of the national press by a reporter the other day. Understandably, he pushed back hard on the notion that he should have to answer such a question.

Now Jim Geraghty of National Review has claimed that the rumor may be based on...fiction. A political thriller called The Power Broker, published in 2006 by Stephen Frey, features the presidential campaign of Dem candidate Jesse Wood, who's aspiring to be the country's first African-American president.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/power_broker.php

 

[MAKmom]

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I dont hate Obama because he won...i hated him long before that. I just dont think he is anywhere near qualified to be President. I think he is a flim flam man who feeds off of liberal quilt, and peoples fears.
I have never listened to Sean Hannity a day in my life so I cant compare.



No, I am in PA, and there are black people here. In fact for all you know I just may be black.

True so what?
I do believe the stats are that 90% of black people did vote for Obama.



You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong on this.
1) The Obama love fest media pounched on Bill. Everything he said & did was molehills made into MOUNTAINS! Everything Obama said was "misunderstood"!
2) Once Obama "won" Iowa, for some odd reason he was then canonized by the Press as the next best thing since Christ.



The Clintons spent more than half of their lives supporting, fighting for their rights and aligning them selfs with Americas Black population. Any anyone who denies their lifelong devotion is seriously delusional.



What are you talking about???????????
Obama Played the race card...he started that 20 years ago!!!!!

As far as unifying the party...I could give a flip. That sicko logic is way too dysfunctional for me. The DNC big whigs played the lets divide everyone, then ignore our consituients and fix the primary so it goes the way we want (a candidate that we can easily control) and after we beat everyone to a pulp we will DEMAND UNITY!

They are no better than a man who beats his wife and says "you made me do it, and I forgive you"!!!!! As you can see my PUMA logo means something.






Pay per view.."Are You READY TO RUMBLE"

I belive the only reason OB did so well early on was the WRITERS STRIKE

As soon as it ended his troubles began. OB had a free ride for a few critical months & it was a fluke. It was just bad timing. I have been saying this since during the strike.

The first week it was over SNL ended the free ride the press gave him.

 

[JARNJ3]

UPDATE ON MICHELLE OBAMA Video

Is Bogus Michelle Obama Rumor Based On A Work Of Fiction?

Is it possible that the bogus Michelle Obama rumor you've all heard by now is actually based on a work of fiction?

The rumor in question is one that's been circulating in recent weeks to the effect that there's video out there of Michelle Obama saying something derogatory about white people.

Not a single shred of evidence has surfaced to support this claim. Nobody has actually said they've personally seen it. It hasn't been posted to YouTube as you'd expect on something this juicy. Even Republican operatives we've spoken to say they don't believe it exists.

Despite the tenuousness of this rumor, Obama was actually asked about this non-existent video in front of the national press by a reporter the other day. Understandably, he pushed back hard on the notion that he should have to answer such a question.

Now Jim Geraghty of National Review has claimed that the rumor may be based on...fiction. A political thriller called The Power Broker, published in 2006 by Stephen Frey, features the presidential campaign of Dem candidate Jesse Wood, who's aspiring to be the country's first African-American president.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/power_broker.php

I think that right wingers were thrilled about their success of the Muslim email sent 'round the world - that they are indeed doing their "Karl Rove" whispering campaign again with Michelle.

Expect more from this camp in the months to come........

 

[DISUNC]

I just posted this on the Conservative thread. Thought it belonged here too.
This was regarding will McCain be pres conversation.

As for McCain, I think as long as Obama DOESN'T pick HC for a running mate, he's got it in the bag.

This is a brief article from a woman who calls all the Liberal talk shows. She is sort of the Mrs. Miller of Liberal Radio talk shows. Her letters also pop up in newspapers & magazines from time to time. She is also my sisters neighbor.

She is quite a character! But her sentiments are shared by MILLIONS of Democrats (at least close to 18m...for sure).

Reba Shimansky Talks to The Page

“I am very angry at the way Hillary has been treated by the Democratic Party during the last three months. When Hillary was winning the majority of the primaries, the superdelegates were flocking to Obama. The Democratic professionals wanted to please Obama more than Hillary because they valued his supporters more than Hillary’s. I have said that I would do anything in my limited capacity to destroy Obama’s candidacy (who I do not like because of his trashing of Bill Clinton and his accomplishments as president) and the best way to do that is to vote for McCain. It is an emotional not rational vote. My loyalty is to Hillary not the Democratic Party.”

http://thepage.time.com/reba-shimansky-talks-to-the-page/

IMO The DNC Leaders shamelessly cut their nose to spite their face this time. The totally miscalculated the power and passion of their constituients! Although they see the Obama Passion, they forget that the Clinton passion is much deeper and for a much longer period of time. This passion cannot be broke by the DNC stealing a few delegates.


Many if not Most Democrats have a deep devotion to the Clintons (I know you guys dont see it, but they do), they are like family to many. And they will fight to the bitter end to protect them. ALL Clinton supporters do firmly believe that the Clintons DO have Americas best interest at heart.

The DNC leaders seem to want to forget this, since IMO they cant control the Clintons. What they didnt realize is that indeed, Most Democrats are LOYAL to people & causes NOT to parties (or in this case one particular Party). The DNC cause is not helped by Howard Dean DEMANDING party Unity from the Democrats today!!!! Very Very Verrrrrrrrrrrrrryyy Foolish man.

My Puma logo does have meaning regarding this issue, if you care to Google.

McCain will be the next President. Not my original choice, but he will do. Regardless I do believe HIM when he talks, I may not agree with everything he says...but I wouldnt call him a liar. And above everything I do Value that quality above everything else.

 

[DISUNC]

I belive the only reason OB did so well early on was the WRITERS STRIKE

As soon as it ended his troubles began. OB had a free ride for a few critical months & it was a fluke. It was just bad timing. I have been saying this since during the strike.

The first week it was over SNL ended the free ride the press gave him.

YUP!

I think that right wingers were thrilled about their success of the Muslim email sent 'round the world - that they are indeed doing their "Karl Rove" whispering campaign again with Michelle.

Expect more from this camp in the months to come........

It will be BRUTAL!!! However I am not convinced that Obama is any less Brutal.

 

[punkin]

My Puma logo does have meaning regarding this issue, if you care to Google.

Very interesting. I wonder how long the passion will last. If this survives the next several months, I think there might be a beginning of a new more centrist party. We can only wait and see.

 

[moon]

I just posted this on the Conservative thread. Thought it belonged here too.
This was regarding will McCain be pres conversation.








This is a brief article from a woman who calls all the Liberal talk shows. She is sort of the Mrs. Miller of Liberal Radio talk shows. Her letters also pop up in newspapers & magazines from time to time. She is also my sisters neighbor.

She is quite a character! But her sentiments are shared by MILLIONS of Democrats (at least close to 18m...for sure).

Reba Shimansky Talks to The Page

“I am very angry at the way Hillary has been treated by the Democratic Party during the last three months. When Hillary was winning the majority of the primaries, the superdelegates were flocking to Obama. The Democratic professionals wanted to please Obama more than Hillary because they valued his supporters more than Hillary’s. I have said that I would do anything in my limited capacity to destroy Obama’s candidacy (who I do not like because of his trashing of Bill Clinton and his accomplishments as president) and the best way to do that is to vote for McCain. It is an emotional not rational vote. My loyalty is to Hillary not the Democratic Party.”

http://thepage.time.com/reba-shimansky-talks-to-the-page/

IMO The DNC Leaders shamelessly cut their nose to spite their face this time. The totally miscalculated the power and passion of their constituients! Although they see the Obama Passion, they forget that the Clinton passion is much deeper and for a much longer period of time. This passion cannot be broke by the DNC stealing a few delegates.


Many if not Most Democrats have a deep devotion to the Clintons (I know you guys dont see it, but they do), they are like family to many. And they will fight to the bitter end to protect them. ALL Clinton supporters do firmly believe that the Clintons DO have Americas best interest at heart.

The DNC leaders seem to want to forget this, since IMO they cant control the Clintons. What they didnt realize is that indeed, Most Democrats are LOYAL to people & causes NOT to parties (or in this case one particular Party). The DNC cause is not helped by Howard Dean DEMANDING party Unity from the Democrats today!!!! Very Very Verrrrrrrrrrrrrryyy Foolish man.

My Puma logo does have meaning regarding this issue, if you care to Google.

McCain will be the next President. Not my original choice, but he will do. Regardless I do believe HIM when he talks, I may not agree with everything he says...but I wouldnt call him a liar. And above everything I do Value that quality above everything else.

I have negative feelings about Hillary being the VP, but I truly believe that the only chance Obama has of winning is if she's on the ticket. I agree about the loyalty. BO is new, and new passions fade fast -particularly among the young- Those 17 million who voted for Hillary have been loyal to th Clintons for since at least '92. We have stuck and supported them through thick and thin all these years.

It is good to know that I'm one among millions who is disgusted with the DNC over their despicable actions towards Hillary!

 

[DISUNC]

Very interesting. I wonder how long the passion will last. If this survives the next several months, I think there might be a beginning of a new more centrist party. We can only wait and see.

I equate the passion with Teenage love....very powerful at the beginning...then pfffffffffffft!

Besides come november they young will want to vote for whoever the New Hot guy from this summers BIGBROTHER will be! Obama will be soooooooo yesterdays news by their standards.


Obama is the first guy your DD brings home(and you dont like)....and you just wait for her to wake up & smell the roses.

I have negative feelings about Hillary being the VP, but I truly believe that the only chance Obama has of winning is if she's on the ticket. I agree about the loyalty. BO is new, and new passions fade fast -particularly among the young- Those 17 million who voted for Hillary have been loyal to th Clintons for since at least '92. We have stuck and supported them through thick and thin all these years.

It is good to know that I'm one among millions who is disgusted with the DNC over their despicable actions towards Hillary!

This whole Clinton is evil by DNC standards has been wround for 8 years. They didnt want him to campaign for either Gore or Kerry! See how well that worked.
I truly believe its all about Dean & Pelosi looking to control everything their way.

BTW.....I just figured out today why Pelosis voice bothers me so. She is doing a Jackie Kennedy impression!!!!
I was listening to the laugh channel on Sirius, and they were playing a OLD Comedy record from the 60s about the Kennedy's. (lame at best in this day 7 age) but the woman who did Jackie voice.....sounded like Pelosi...and it hit me....THATS WHO PELOSI THINKS SHE IS!!!!!!

I dont think she will be VP, what does she have to gain by that?
Unless Barack just pays off her bills????

 

[moon]

I equate the passion with Teenage love....very powerful at the beginning...then pfffffffffffft!

Besides come november they young will want to vote for whoever the New Hot guy from this summers BIGBROTHER will be! Obama will be soooooooo yesterdays news by their standards.


Obama is the first guy your DD brings home(and you dont like)....and you just wait for her to wake up & smell the roses.



This whole Clinton is evil by DNC standards has been wround for 8 years. They didnt want him to campaign for either Gore or Kerry! See how well that worked.
I truly believe its all about Dean & Pelosi looking to control everything their way.

BTW.....I just figured out today why Pelosis voice bothers me so. She is doing a Jackie Kennedy impression!!!!
I was listening to the laugh channel on Sirius, and they were playing a OLD Comedy record from the 60s about the Kennedy's. (lame at best in this day 7 age) but the woman who did Jackie voice.....sounded like Pelosi...and it hit me....THATS WHO PELOSI THINKS SHE IS!!!!!!

I dont think she will be VP, what does she have to gain by that?
Unless Barack just pays off her bills????

I read he was cosidering paying her bills. She has nothing to gain by being VP (unless she's the Cheney behind Obama, something one of his supporters on this boars said his VP would be ). He has everything to gain with her as his VP.

I think if she's asked she'll do it.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I equate the passion with Teenage love....very powerful at the beginning...then pfffffffffffft!

Besides come november they young will want to vote for whoever the New Hot guy from this summers BIGBROTHER will be! Obama will be soooooooo yesterdays news by their standards.


Obama is the first guy your DD brings home(and you dont like)....and you just wait for her to wake up & smell the roses.



This whole Clinton is evil by DNC standards has been wround for 8 years. They didnt want him to campaign for either Gore or Kerry! See how well that worked.
I truly believe its all about Dean & Pelosi looking to control everything their way.

BTW.....I just figured out today why Pelosis voice bothers me so. She is doing a Jackie Kennedy impression!!!!
I was listening to the laugh channel on Sirius, and they were playing a OLD Comedy record from the 60s about the Kennedy's. (lame at best in this day 7 age) but the woman who did Jackie voice.....sounded like Pelosi...and it hit me....THATS WHO PELOSI THINKS SHE IS!!!!!!

I dont think she will be VP, what does she have to gain by that?
Unless Barack just pays off her bills????

I've heard that a lot lately. Is there any truth to that? I never heard of a candidate asking another to pay off their bills. I like HC better than BO but why would she ask him to do that? Why would he? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[DISUNC]

I've heard that a lot lately. Is there any truth to that? I never heard of a candidate asking another to pay off their bills. I like HC better than BO but why would she ask him to do that? Why would he? It doesn't make sense to me.

Its very common to do in the Political world. Hillary paid some other candidates bills off with her $ (just dont remember who at this point)
Political endorsements come with a price.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Its very common to do in the Political world. Hillary paid some other candidates bills off with her $ (just dont remember who at this point)
Political endorsements come with a price.

Oh. Learn something new every day. Makes sense now. Thanks!

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Its very common to do in the Political world. Hillary paid some other candidates bills off with her $ (just dont remember who at this point)
Political endorsements come with a price.

It could also be that Senator Clinton's endorsement of Senator Obama would be done for the good of the Democratic Party and for the country as a whole. Those of you saying you'll vote for Senator McCain may not understand or agree but

Backing away from 'your' thread with the very best of wishes. I respect Senator Clinton though less than I did before some of the statements she made during her campaign. She has a great future as a leader of our party in whatever capacity she so chooses.

 

[JARNJ3]

Its very common to do in the Political world. Hillary paid some other candidates bills off with her $ (just dont remember who at this point)
Political endorsements come with a price.

Right - Obama was "paying" some of the supers for their endorsements early on.

 

[JARNJ3]

It could also be that Senator Clinton's endorsement of Senator Obama would be done for the good of the Democratic Party and for the country as a whole. Those of you saying you'll vote for Senator McCain may not understand or agree but

Backing away from 'your' thread with the very best of wishes. I respect Senator Clinton though less than I did before some of the statements she made during her campaign. She has a great future as a leader of our party in whatever capacity she so chooses.

Hillary's endorsement of Obama is for the good of the party. Its what party members do all the time.....

Some of the folks here - aren't "party" people......

I just realized today - while I always vote democratic - I'm not a member of the party per se.

 

["Got Disney"]

I just posted this on the Conservative thread. Thought it belonged here too.
This was regarding will McCain be pres conversation.








IMO The DNC Leaders shamelessly cut their nose to spite their face this time. The totally miscalculated the power and passion of their constituients! Although they see the Obama Passion, they forget that the Clinton passion is much deeper and for a much longer period of time. This passion cannot be broke by the DNC stealing a few delegates.


Many if not Most Democrats have a deep devotion to the Clintons (I know you guys dont see it, but they do), they are like family to many. And they will fight to the bitter end to protect them. ALL Clinton supporters do firmly believe that the Clintons DO have Americas best interest at heart.

The DNC leaders seem to want to forget this, since IMO they cant control the Clintons. What they didnt realize is that indeed, Most Democrats are LOYAL to people & causes NOT to parties (or in this case one particular Party). The DNC cause is not helped by Howard Dean DEMANDING party Unity from the Democrats today!!!! Very Very Verrrrrrrrrrrrrryyy Foolish man.

My Puma logo does have meaning regarding this issue, if you care to Google.

McCain will be the next President. Not my original choice, but he will do. Regardless I do believe HIM when he talks, I may not agree with everything he says...but I wouldnt call him a liar. And above everything I do Value that quality above everything else.

As for the DNC being idiots....the OS see it differently...after all the DNC was fair to him...so they have no gripes with the DNC....

and Howard Dean and Pelosi both scare me....could you see Pelosi as VP...that is not just scary but very funny