Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[punkin]

Sounds really good.


About the negative Obama/Wright stuff, I wonder if it is in time to actually help Hillary or is it too late?

 

[DISUNC]

Sounds really good.


About the negative Obama/Wright stuff, I wonder if it is in time to actually help Hillary or is it too late?

Never too late!

 

[Dolce27]

I didnt think you guys would read that Thread!!!!!

oops!

I like to be open minded (at least at the beginning ) and give every candidate a fair chance.. even one that is notorious for a 2008 Peeps invasion.

Speaking of other candidates.. I’ve been lurking once again the past couple of days on the Obama thread.. why I do that to myself – I’ll never know.

It’s becoming quite clear to me that I don’t read the same news articles that they read. Hillary denounces Rev. Wright’s opinions and states that Obama finally makes it clear that he does not agree with Rev. Wright (which Obama finally did make clear) and they, the OS, still have problems with Hillary… but maybe that’s because who’s program she went on? Me, I have no problem with media outlets.. media is media; one more place for your voice to be heard and she wants to speak to different targets.. not just the same people over and over.

And.. I learned of the latest media frenzy over how horrible Hillary is:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305485,00.html
http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=590593

I'm learning to take accusations made against the Clintons with a grain of salt. Last night I posted on the Rev. Wright thread synopsis of Watergate and Travelgate. Why did I do this? Because there are many, many younger voters out there, like me, that don’t have a clue as to what those two issues are about.

I was in 9th grade when Watergate began. I lived in a household with two right-winged, extremely Republican, Clinton bashing parents. I didn’t pay any attention to the news back then, didn’t care at all about politics. Anything political that I heard was usually a Clinton bashing statement uttered by my Dad.

Listening to the Hillary Clinton bashers now speak of Watergate.. and continually bring it up.. I thought that the Clintons had been convicted of something. Imagine my shock when I found out how many millions of tax payers dollars were spent and how many years of investigation amounted to nothing. If the Clintons had been up to something, surly something would have turned up by now. I honestly believe that a lot of people just have it out for the Clintons… so I’m taking this, whatever it is, with a grain of salt until significant proof is provided.

 

[DISUNC]

Obama wants pro-Clinton group investigated


WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama's presidential campaign wants federal regulators to investigate fellow Democrats who are backing Hillary Rodham Clinton's candidacy, taking intraparty ******* to a new level of confrontation.

Obama's campaign lawyer, Robert Bauer, filed a complaint Wednesday with the Federal Election Commission, accusing the pro-Clinton American Leadership Project of violating campaign finance laws by running ads against Obama. The group is spending $920,000 for an ad in Indiana questioning Obama's economic policies.

The group is largely financed by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and is run by Democratic operatives, many of them based in California and who have past connections to Clinton or her husband. Its organizers say they are abiding by the law and a 2007 Supreme Court ruling.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080430/D90CF25O0.html

 

[Dolce27]

Anyone catch Hillary on O'Reilly tonight? I thought she did an excellent job - of course - check out what the headline was:



She also talked alot about health care - but they neglected to mention that also.......

Of course they did .. and you're surprised?

I'm glad that she did a good job and anyone worth a grain of salt (< - - where did that expression come from and why do I know it?) will know that she had issues of substance that she spoke of and that she wasn't on there to highlight the thorn in Obama's side that occurred this week.

 

[DISUNC]

I like to be open minded (at least at the beginning ) and give every candidate a fair chance.. even one that is notorious for a 2008 Peeps invasion.

I honestly believe that a lot of people just have it out for the Clintons… so I’m taking this, whatever it is, with a grain of salt until significant proof is provided.

YUP. I always ask the people who 'hate' the Clintons..WHY? Never really get a straight answer

 

[LuvDuke]

YUP. I always ask the people who 'hate' the Clintons..WHY? Never really get a straight answer

Here's a reason: How about lying like an SOB putting this country through the wringer for 8 months when he knew the truth. Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

 

[Planogirl]

Here's a reason: How about lying like an SOB putting this country through the wringer for 8 months when he knew the truth. Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

Yes, you're right. BILL did that and of course apparently Hillary helped him and was totally involved or else why would it be brought up now? Guilt by association again!

You'd think after this Wright mess, this type of guilt would be tiresome for everyone.

 

["Got Disney"]

Here's a reason: How about lying like an SOB putting this country through the wringer for 8 months when he knew the truth. Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

Your laguage has been very colorful lately....please refrain from using it in out thread. We dont want it shut down.

 

["Got Disney"]

O man the REV WRight thread was just closed...I was having fun in there tonight with the TROLL....or the racist....maybe she was both

Oh shucks....

 

[basas]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24841382]O man the REV WRight thread was just closed...I was having fun in there tonight with the TROLL....or the racist....maybe she was both

Oh shucks....[/QUOTE]

I know! I am disappointed...it was just getting good

 

[DISUNC]

Here's a reason: How about lying like an SOB putting this country through the wringer for 8 months when he knew the truth. Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

You mean like Obama lied about Wright all this time?

Ya know that is ONE thing I certainly do not fault him lying for. I can understand why he lied about that. As do 99.99% of married men who do partake of that type of stuff.

 

[DISUNC]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24841382]O man the REV WRight thread was just closed...I was having fun in there tonight with the TROLL....or the racist....maybe she was both

Oh shucks....[/QUOTE]

No we were the racists!!!!!!! According to her!

 

["Got Disney"]

No we were the racists!!!!!!! According to her!

I could picture her standing up and clapping after Wrights speeches and saying Hallelujah....the sad thing is that Wright just had a packed house of what 60,000 at the NAACP speech the other night

 

[Dolce27]

Here's a reason: How about lying like an SOB putting this country through the wringer for 8 months when he knew the truth. Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

And Hillary was responsible for that how? Or is every single woman in this country that has had her husband/SO cheat on her at fault for the cheating and should be held responsible for the rest of her entire life for it?

And hey! Bush lied about Iraq and we now have thousands of innocent US soldiers and Iraqi civilians dead because of that lie. Bill Clinton lying about a woman? I could care less.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Hey y'all, I wanted to post this in y'all's thread on Hillary because a lot of us know it's an issue. This is a great article! I hope the DIS doesn't mind either.

If Barack Was Brenda
by Nancy Sigafoos

As a native Ohioan who has lived in the Pacific Northwest for the past 32 years, I am compelled to reach out to those of you in my native state regarding the upcoming Presidential Primary. I write this in support of Hillary Clinton, to explain why I believe in her strength and experience over her opponent's unproven, yet alluring potential.

Apparently we're not allowed to discuss sexism or misogyny during this primary season. We are all tiptoeing around those issues. It's considered a huge gaff if gender role stereotypes or the historical marginalization of women is mentioned. There seems to be an unspoken agreement that to discuss the gender issue is somehow taboo. My question is this: with a more-than-viable woman candidate in a strong position to win the White House, why are so many women (of all colors) rallying around Obama? Is he truly a stronger candidate, or is this simply internalized sexism?

We could have a woman in the White House. It's within our reach. And not just any woman, but a dedicated public servant who can hold her record of achievement and progress next to anyone else's record, and stand proud.

It's time to put all the cards on the table, and make a solid decision about which Democratic candidate can triumph over John McCain and reverse the disastrous tide of the past seven years. The hungry jaws of the Republican defamation machine await that candidate. We need more than inspiration and hope. We need someone who has stood the test of time. Someone who has been put through the wringer, examined under the microscope, knocked down over and over, and still remained standing.

We need someone who has championed causes, many of them unpopular, for a lifetime. We need someone who has experience in the ugly truth of government, yet still remains devoted to the possibility of America.

That someone is Hillary Clinton.

As a psychotherapist, I am not surprised by the momentum of the Obama candidacy. His rhetoric appeals to those who have become hopeless and weary during the Bush/Cheney administration. My problem is that as I hear him repeat the same speech over and over, filled with feel-good platitudes, I feel like I am at a Tony Robbins seminar. Those discover-your-potential weekends pump you up for a short while, but the energy does not sustain; the complex realities of life trump the temporary rush of easy answers. I talk with young people who can only tell me that Obama is "cool" when I ask why they endorse him. "He's a rock star!" one young man told me.

As a woman, I see a relapse into an old pattern, which makes me feel hopeless and weary on a deeper level. I believe that woven into the great energy behind Barack Obama is a fallback into one of our country's longest and deepest traditions: plain old-fashioned sexism.

Ask yourself this:

Imagine a baby girl born in 1961 to an African dad and a white mom. Dad soon leaves, and Mom leans on her parents to help raise her child. Along the way, Mom marries an Indonesian man, who moves the family to Jakarta. The little girl is exceptional, and despite her somewhat chaotic childhood, she rises above and excels in school.

As a teenager, the girl smokes a little pot, snorts a little coke. She tries partying, but it's not for her. She's too ambitious, and she's too smart. The biracial girl grows into a woman. Using her intelligence and considerable charm, she enrolls in the finest colleges, and does very well. She goes to law school, and then follows her natural inclination toward politics.

She meets a man, who is her equal in all ways, and marries him. They have two beautiful children. She is an exemplary parent. She spends some time in the trenches of social reform in inner city Chicago, and rises up to become a member of the Illinois State Senate. She tries for the US House of Representatives, but fails. Her determination takes her further, and she runs for the US Senate in 2003. She wins.

She gains popularity in the United States because of her eloquence and her commitment to liberal causes. In the middle of her first term in the Senate, at the age of 46, she decides to run for President of the United States.

She's never been in the military, she's never been part of an executive branch of government. She is "a freshman." Not a lot of experience and young, but she is inspiring, funny, creative and fresh. She recounts her history, articulates the challenges of today, and offers hope to the masses.

Tell the truth. Would you vote for her? If all things but gender were precisely equal, would Brenda Obama be riding a wave of victories through the USA? If an inexperienced but hopeful and inspirational young woman was running for president, would she be seen as a strong opponent to a well-seasoned, experienced, mature woman who was running for the same office? Can we even stretch our imaginations to envision such a scenario?

The idea of two amazing women vying for the presidency is an exciting prospect I would welcome with open arms. But when you look at the female to male ratio in elected officials, when you look back at the string of 43 men who have occupied the office, I think we all know that the likelihood of such a match-up is currently science fiction. In fact, the reality is that to even see another potentially electable woman candidate for president in the foreseeable future is a dim prospect. Sad, but true.

I conclude with an appeal to every woman who has carried the burden when a man has fallen short of his responsibilities; to every woman who has taken a back seat when she knew she was the better driver; to every woman who gets her paycheck and knows that 77¢ does not equal one dollar. If you want true change, put Hillary Clinton in the White House. Do it for your female ancestors, who suffered and died as the property of a man, and do it for your daughters and granddaughters, who can take the message and possibility of a female President of The United States and carry the beacon of what it means to be a woman farther into a new reality than any of us have ever been allowed to dream.

Nancy Sigafoos

 

[DISUNC]

And Hillary was responsible for that how? Or is every single woman in this country that has had her husband/SO cheat on her at fault for the cheating and should be held responsible for the rest of her entire life for it?

Yeah I wanna know this answer too.

 

["Got Disney"]

YUP. I always ask the people who 'hate' the Clintons..WHY? Never really get a straight answer

Here's a reason: How about lying like an SOB putting this country through the wringer for 8 months when he knew the truth. Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

So this is your reasoning why you hate the Clintons? What did you think of his Presidency?

 

[DISUNC]

Hey y'all, I wanted to post this in y'all's thread on Hillary because a lot of us know it's an issue. This is a great article! I hope the DIS doesn't mind either.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hey y'all, I wanted to post this in y'all's thread on Hillary because a lot of us know it's an issue. This is a great article! I hope the DIS doesn't mind either.

Thanks for the great read...I enjoy when things like this are posted.