Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[wvrevy]

Personally I feel Obama and McCain are just as bad.
McCain scares me with his bomb, bomb and bomb
Obama scares me with his lack of experience and I believe he is naive in a lot of ways

I am really worried for this Country if the general election is McCain vs Obama.

If that is the case then I will have to take a look at the VPs, although I will NOT vote for McCain no matter who he takes on as a VP.

As of now, If Obama is the nom I will leave it blank or write in Hillary. The ONLY way that will change is if Obama has Hillary as the VP or even Edwards as a VP. John Edwards is another one that I would support Obama if he was on the ticket.
I would not like voting for Obama, I would hold my nose but I would do it if either of these two were the VP.

You do realize that John Edwards has almostly EXACTLY the same experience as Barack Obama, don't you? One term in the senate. In terms of actual governmental experience, Barack's got him by about 8 years...and his time as a lawyer was spent on constitutional issues, not class action lawsuits. So, if "experience" matters so much, why would you support Obama with another inexperienced guy running as the VP, but couldn't support him if he had someone like the current governor of Kansas (Kathleen Sebelius)?

Oh maybe offend someone with one of his "but I didn't mean it that way" statements? Inaction when action is very much warranted?

You mean something like "I bring a lifetime of experience...John McCain brings a lifetime of experience...Barack Obama brings a speech" ? Or like "I could have stayed home and baked cookies..." ? Or any of the dozens of other things Hillary has said over the years - just as every politician does - that she later had to clarify?

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I gave you specific examples of what we KNOW MCain will do and all you can come up with that?

I am not that worried about the SC. It has been conservative in the past and the earth did not crumble to the sea. I think Roe v. Wade is a red-herring used to scare us libs as much as gay marriage is used on the cons. If a SC overturns that court decision - we will just have to motivate our little butts into enacting actual legislation on the matter, now won't we?

As for him vetoing liberal legislation - I guess I would need specific examples of what you think he would veto. He has shown an ability to work across the aisle in the past and I do not understand why it is assumed that he would stop doing so once he is President of the US instead of a US Senator.

As liberal as I am - I like a government that operates in the center. Bush almost drove us off the "right" end - I would really like to see us pull back to that center that we were at when Bill Clinton was in office.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

You do realize that John Edwards has almostly EXACTLY the same experience as Barack Obama, don't you? One term in the senate. In terms of actual governmental experience, Barack's got him by about 8 years...and his time as a lawyer was spent on constitutional issues, not class action lawsuits. So, if "experience" matters so much, why would you support Obama with another inexperienced guy running as the VP, but couldn't support him if he had someone like the current governor of Kansas (Kathleen Sebelius)?



You mean something like "I bring a lifetime of experience...John McCain brings a lifetime of experience...Barack Obama brings a speech" ? Or like "I could have stayed home and baked cookies..." ? Or any of the dozens of other things Hillary has said over the years - just as every politician does - that she later had to clarify?

Hmmm - why does Geraldine Ferraro spring to mind?

 

[chobie]

I am not that worried about the SC. It has been conservative in the past and the earth did not crumble to the sea. I think Roe v. Wade is a red-herring used to scare us libs as much as gay marriage is used on the cons. If a SC overturns that court decision - we will just have to motivate our little butts into enacting actual legislation on the matter, now won't we?

As for him vetoing liberal legislation - I guess I would need specific examples of what you think he would veto. He has shown an ability to work across the aisle in the past and I do not understand why it is assumed that he would stop doing so once he is President of the US instead of a US Senator.

As liberal as I am - I like a government that operates in the center. Bush almost drove us off the "right" end - I would really like to see us pull back to that center that we were at when Bill Clinton was in office.

Oh yes, that will just be a walk in the park, passing national legislation to make abortion legal.


In the meantime, how many poor women will suffer becuase you think Obama might say something wrong?

And there is more to federal court decision than Roe.

He will most likely veto any policy that Hillary would support, especially in regards to health care. But, its not her policies you are in love with, is it?

 

[jacksonsmom]

I will NEVER say McCain will make a good President. Yeah, a McCain Presidency scares/worries me.

But with Obama it's like stepping into the unknown! This Country is NOT at a time in its History where it can afford to step into the unknown for a President.

Every one has to agree this Country is a complete mess right now. We need someone that KNOWS how Washington works and will take the bull by the horns. This is not the time for a President to learn on the job

If this Country wasn't in the mess it is in, maybe an Obama Presidency would not worry me. Maybe I would be OK with him learning on the job.

I am afraid our Country can not afford an inexperience President this time around.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Oh yes, that will just be a walk in the park, passing national legislation to make abortion legal.


In the meantime, how many poor women will suffer becuase you think Obama might say something wrong?

And there is more to federal court decision than Roe.

He will most likely veto any policy that Hillary would support, especially in regards to health care. But, its not her policies you are in love with, is it?

Clarify please.

 

[wvjules]

You do realize that John Edwards has almostly EXACTLY the same experience as Barack Obama, don't you? One term in the senate. In terms of actual governmental experience, Barack's got him by about 8 years...and his time as a lawyer was spent on constitutional issues, not class action lawsuits. So, if "experience" matters so much, why would you support Obama with another inexperienced guy running as the VP, but couldn't support him if he had someone like the current governor of Kansas (Kathleen Sebelius)?



You mean something like "I bring a lifetime of experience...John McCain brings a lifetime of experience...Barack Obama brings a speech" ? Or like "I could have stayed home and baked cookies..." ? Or any of the dozens of other things Hillary has said over the years - just as every politician does - that she later had to clarify?

Coming from a supporter of the "What I really meant" candidate.....

 

[chobie]

Clarify please.

Well, Obama has pretty much the same stance on policies, except for some differences in health care, which he at least wants to do something about.

MCain is against every thing that Hillary supports (i.e. thinks health care is just fine the way it is), but you would support a candidate who is against everything your candidate stands for rather than vote for another candidate who is on the same page as far as the issues/policies.

So, what is it, personality that you care the most about? Because 2 candidates will try to get the policies Hillary supports made into reality: (1) Hillary, and (2) Obama. One candidate will not try to get any of the policies Hillary wants made into a reality: (1) McCain.

 

[wvrevy]

Hmmm - why does Geraldine Ferraro spring to mind?

Wow.

I think I'll rest my case there. You guys have fun.

 

[wvrevy]

Coming from a supporter of the "What I really meant" candidate.....

Was simply pointing out that it is hypocritical to blame Obama for having to clarify statements while supporting a candidate that has had to do the same thing.

Ok...now I'm outta here.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I will NEVER say McCain will make a good President. Yeah, a McCain Presidency scares/worries me.

But with Obama it's like stepping into the unknown! This Country is NOT at a time in its History where it can afford to step into the unknown for a President.

Every one has to agree this Country is a complete mess right now. We need someone that KNOWS how Washington works and will take the bull by the horns. This is not the time for a President to learn on the job

If this Country wasn't in the mess it is in, maybe an Obama Presidency would not worry me. Maybe I would be OK with him learning on the job.

I am afraid our Country can not afford an inexperience President this time around.

I know a few folks who voted for GW in 2004 over the "unknown" John Kerry. We had been attacked 3 years before, we were at war and they felt more comfortable "dancing with the Devil they knew". Well, 4 years later they're seriously regretting that choice-and I know because I was one of them. I remember another candidate a few years back who was criticized for his lack of experience. The right went crazy saying that such an unknown quantity in the WH would be dangerous-I think many were glad they voted for the "inexperienced" Bill Clinton anyway.

 

[chobie]

Wow.

I think I'll rest my case there. You guys have fun.

I'm with you. Go ahead, people vote for a president who stands against everything the person you are supporting is for. That'll learn Obama and his kool-aid drinking followers!

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Well, Obama has pretty much the same stance on policies, except for some differences in health care, which he at least wants to do something about.

MCain is against every thing that Hillary supports (i.e. thinks health care is just fine the way it is), but you would support a candidate who is against everything your candidate stands for rather than vote for another candidate who is on the same page as far as the issues/policies.

So, what is it, personality that you care the most about? Because 2 candidates will try to get the policies Hillary supports made into reality: (1) Hillary, and (2) Obama. One candidate will not try to get any of the policies Hillary wants made into a reality: (1) McCain.

First - where did I say that I supported McCain? Just because I am not viewing him as the end of the world as we know it does not mean he has my support.

Second - I have looked at Obama's heath plan and we won't see any change on that front under him either. His plan leaves too many holes and starts from such a weak position that it will be chewed to nothing. And that is what I care most about personally.

Third - I do not trust him. I am sorry - but the issues with Rev Wright is a big one for me. I do not believe his careful " I did not hear it while I was sitting in the church" answer. He listens to hate speech and allows his children to listen to it as well. He never stood up to it or demonstrated that he disagreed with it until he was forced to. Sorry - but to me that goes to his character and he scores no points with me on that.

Wow.

I think I'll rest my case there. You guys have fun.

Let me guess - you are going to take what I said and hold it up like I am a racist. Well - you are wrong. You see - I never felt like what she said was racist. It was a statement about race and at the time I even mentioned to my group of friends that she has a perfect comparison example in John Edwards.

Here is the quote:

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

All things being equal - why is it Obama and not Edwards?

 

[jacksonsmom]

I'm with you. Go ahead, people vote for a president who stands against everything the person you are supporting is for. That'll learn Obama and his kool-aid drinking followers!

I know I should just let it go but where did I say I would VOTE for McCain. I remember saying I would not vote for McCain.

Just because I don't like Obama and right now will not vote for him doesn't mean I support McCain.

Btw-- I hear just as many OS that say they would not vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. Are they secretly McCain supporters too than?

 

[jacksonsmom]

I know a few folks who voted for GW in 2004 over the "unknown" John Kerry. We had been attacked 3 years before, we were at war and they felt more comfortable "dancing with the Devil they knew". Well, 4 years later they're seriously regretting that choice-and I know because I was one of them. I remember another candidate a few years back who was criticized for his lack of experience. The right went crazy saying that such an unknown quantity in the WH would be dangerous-I think many were glad they voted for the "inexperienced" Bill Clinton anyway.

You do make good points.
But with Obama it is (for me at least) more than just his inexperience (although a big part is) but his attitude lately, the skeletons that seem to keep popping up, crying foul when debates don't go his way, his saying he is "new" politics when he is the same through and through...all of these combined with his inexperience makes ME feel he probably can't handle the job.

 

[chobie]

I know I should just let it go but where did I say I would VOTE for McCain. I remember saying I would not vote for McCain.

Just because I don't like Obama and right now will not vote for him doesn't mean I support McCain.

Btw-- I hear just as many OS that say they would not vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. Are they secretly McCain supporters too than?

That's not what the numbers show. A much higher percentage of Hillary voters are saying that they would vote for McCain than the other way around. However, as to the ones that say that on the Obama thread that they will vote for McCain, I told them that I thought that was stupid and short-sighted.

That's nice for people to start getting misty-eyed when reflecting on how "moderate" McCain is while the primary is still in swing, but ultimatley McCain is the one Hillary has to beat. Why give him any help now?

 

[jacksonsmom]

That's not what the numbers show. A much higher percentage of Hillary voters are saying that they would vote for McCain than the other way around. However, as to the ones that say that on the Obama thread that they will vote for McCain, I told them that I thought that was stupid and short-sighted.

That's nice for people to start getting misty-eyed when reflecting on how "moderate" McCain is while the primary is still in swing, but ultimatley McCain is the one Hillary has to beat. Why give him any help now?

I for one I am not saying that. I won't vote for either McCain or Obama (unless Hillary is on the tix). I will vote in my Senator race that is coming up and leave.

Don't worry we are mostly a blue state. I am sure the Democrats will do fine here, whether that is Obama or Hillary

Don't get me wrong I WANT to believe Obama is a great candidate and ready to put this Country back on the right path. I just can't in my heart believe that. There are soooo many questions I have about him.
Now if it comes down to Obama and McCain and Obama wins I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong and he can be a great President.
I just don't see that happening.

 

[NewJersey]

You do make good points.
But with Obama it is (for me at least) more than just his inexperience (although a big part is) but his attitude lately, the skeletons that seem to keep popping up, crying foul when debates don't go his way, his saying he is "new" politics when he is the same through and through...all of these combined with his inexperience makes ME feel he probably can't handle the job.

I don't even see how that should be an issue when deciding who to vote for but....I think you are forgetting Hillary complaining that "the boys were ganging up on her" during a debate in Philadelphia - or complaining she always got the questions fielded first.

If you think Obama was the only one complaining, perhaps you should look at it a bit more subjectively.

 

[jacksonsmom]

I think you are forgetting Hillary complaining that "the boys were ganging up on her" during a debate in Philadelphia - or complaining she always got the questions fielded first.

If you think Obama was the only one complaining, perhaps you should look at it a bit more subjectively.

Oh no, I don't think he is the ONLY one complaining about it. I know he isn't, but Hillary doesn't cry foul and then say "I'm not going to debate anymore".
Sure complain and moan you didn't like what was said or how you were treated but then get right back in there and show people what you are made of.

To me Obama did what a couple of 8 year old would do. They are playing together and one says something the other didn't like and then the one gets up and says "I'm not going to be your friend anymore"

Maybe not the best example but the only one I can come up with.

 

[chobie]

I for one I am not saying that. I won't vote for either McCain or Obama (unless Hillary is on the tix). I will vote in my Senator race that is coming up and leave.

Don't worry we are mostly a blue state. I am sure the Democrats will do fine here, whether that is Obama or Hillary

Don't get me wrong I WANT to believe Obama is a great candidate and ready to put this Country back on the right path. I just can't in my heart believe that. There are soooo many questions I have about him.
Now if it comes down to Obama and McCain and Obama wins I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong and he can be a great President.
I just don't see that happening.

Not voting for Obama is voting for McCain.

So, what is the long-term strategy for a Hillary win anyway? So far all she has done is praise McCain and attack Obama. What happens if she gets the nomination? Tell people, you can voter for either one of us, at least we're not Obama? Have you seen how McCain keeps creeping up in the approval ratings. Hillary's are much lower than McCain's, how is how is she going to get around that?

Do you think she can suddenly start to attack McCain after her previous praising and that will go over well with voters? It would make her look insincere.

And she will have to attack McCain to win eventually.

Or cannot Hillary voters see past the primary?