Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[DISUNC]

My next door neighbors put OBAMA posters all over their lawn, and stuck a OBAMA pamphlet in my door!!!!!



Its like Inavasion of the Body Snatchers!!!!!

Now I gotta get new neighbors and a new door!

 

[jacksonsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24104768]
The media has made me bitter towards then and Obama. And if anyone seems to show entitelment to the POTUS seat it is Obama and his supporters. I still when listening to his speeches hear nothing on issues that have substance.
[/QUOTE]

Your whole post hit on a lot of key notes, but this is a biggie for me.

I do see entitlement from Obama AND "some" of his supporters.
The way the media has protrait him and his non-substance speeches have turned me off from voting for him, period. I really don't see that feeling changing come November.

It's a shame, really, way back when, I was really open to voting for him if Hillary didn't get the nom. I thought he would be a great replacement if Hillary couldn't be the one on the ticket.

What a difference just a few months makes.

Between Obama's entitlement/smug attitude, the media playing nicey-nicey with him, and "some to a lot" of his supporters thinking he is the one and only person that can run this Country has turned me off enough that Obama is off my list.

I do have to say I think it is funny how some Obama supporters don't think Obama would have a HARD time beating McCain in the general election. It's almost like they are living in dreamland. Obama is HORRIBLE at debates & how "a lot" of Obama supporters don't think Michigan and Florida isn't going to be a problem in November if something isn't done with the primaries! I can see a lot of ticked off people staying home or voting Rep, just out of spite.

As a Hillary supporter I know it won't be easy to beat McCain, I will admit that. I really wish some OS would admit Obama will not slamdunk McCain. It will be a battle and I don't see Obama coming out the winner.

 

[jacksonsmom]

My next door neighbors put OBAMA posters all over their lawn, and stuck a OBAMA pamphlet in my door!!!!!



Its like Inavasion of the Body Snatchers!!!!!

Now I gotta get new neighbors and a new door!

Oh what an evil neighbor!!!

If it were me I would walk back over then and kindly hand the neighbor back their Obama pamphlet and in return hand them a Hillary Clinton pamphlet

That really is an EVIL neighbor!!!!!

 

["Got Disney"]

My next door neighbors put OBAMA posters all over their lawn, and stuck a OBAMA pamphlet in my door!!!!!



Its like Inavasion of the Body Snatchers!!!!!

Now I gotta get new neighbors and a new door!

that would make me want to run out and find all the Hillary posters I could find and put them in my yard I would print something out from the world wide web and put it in his/her mail box and give the Obama one back and say "No thank you" I would staple Hillarys and Obamas together with that note and a smile.

 

[Hound 109]

Having a bunch of us Texan rookie caucus goers participate in a THREE PART caucus process.....is like having me & 3 other luddites figure out how to design Fortune 1000 computer network system.

I said it before & i'll say it again.....Caucus's s*ck.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8VND7PG0.html

 

[punkin]

Anyone read this Wall St. Journal Article? Very interesting IMO.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120674839234873285.html.html?mod=home_we_banner_left

 

[JARNJ3]

Mario's advocating a unified ticket. I wonder if he is still a super.

How to avoid a Democratic disaster

A DEMOCRATIC disaster in the November election looms, but it can be avoided by a demonstration of true leadership by the two candidates.
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By the end of the primary process, no matter how robust the turnout appears, less than half of all Democratic voters will have expressed their preference. And because the primaries will have extended over such a long period, some voters will have changed their preference by the convention in August. Other entanglements also threaten the possibility of a selection at the convention that would be supported by both constituencies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Two states with significant Democratic strength - Florida and Michigan - may be denied votes, and the specific role of the superdelegates may become a matter of possibly irresolvable contentiousness.

Meanwhile the Democrats come closer to the end of the primary process without a clear choice for president, with alienation between their candidates growing, while the Republican candidate John McCain gathers strength unmolested within his own party and comforted by the squabbling among Democrats.

Obama argues that he has won more delegates, more states, and more popular votes in the primaries. He also argues that the superdelegates should feel "morally obligated" to vote for the winner of the delegate count in the primaries because that would be the "democratic thing" to do.

The Clinton forces argue that the Democratic National Committee should find a way to count Florida and Michigan, which Clinton won, and should remind the candidates that the superdelegates were created to override previous primary votes if they believed it was necessary to get the nominee most likely to win the election. Recent polls of all Democrats show the two leaders virtually tied and indicate Clinton is more likely than Obama to win the states the Democrats must take in order to succeed.

No matter how all these challenging questions are resolved, the increasing contentiousness has left the two candidates - and more importantly their distinct constituencies - badly alienated. Polls show that if the battle continues to a conclusion at the convention, a significant portion of the constituency supporting the loser will refuse to vote Democratic in November. That could cost the Democrats the election and bring back "Bushism," assuring the continuance of the tragic Iraq war indefinitely.

Whose fault would that be?

The Democrats'.

Who can solve the problem?

Obama and Clinton can - by putting aside personal irritations, and to some extent personal aspirations, and agreeing to end the hostilities and form a ticket that offers both of them, a candidate for president and a candidate for vice president who is clearly good enough to serve as president, should the occasion arise. That candidate for vice president would also have a good chance of being elected president eight years from now because neither of the two would be too old in 2016. If they are not capable of doing that, the two could announce they will complete the primary schedule and convention with the winner becoming candidate for president and the other agreeing to be a candidate for vice president, thereby mollifying to some extent the constituency of the candidate who was not chosen as the nominee for president.

Think of it, over the next eight years we could elect both the first woman and the first African-American to become president. That's not a dream: It's a plausible, achievable, glorious possibility - if our two remaining candidates have the personal strength and wisdom to make it happen. The joint statement announcing their agreement would rock the nation and resound across the globe - sweeter than any political poetry; smarter and more meaningful than any tightly intelligent political prose.

If, on the other hand, the candidates refuse to work out a way to keep both constituencies firmly in the Democratic camp for the general election, the 2008 primary may be the story of a painfully botched grand opportunity to return our nation to the upward path, and leave us mired in Iraq and government mediocrity.

Mario M. Cuomo, former three-term governor of New York, practices law at Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP.

 

[punkin]

Mario's advocating a unified ticket. I wonder if he is still a super.

No. He's not on the list at the NY Times.

 

[MAKmom]

If they unified it would crush McCain

 

[MerryPoppins]

Anyone read this Wall St. Journal Article? Very interesting IMO.

Great article.

 

[JARNJ3]

Anyone read this Wall St. Journal Article? Very interesting IMO.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120674839234873285.html.html?mod=home_we_banner_left

That was an interesting article. Something that caught my eye:

Here in Pittsburgh and surrounding blue-collar areas, Sen. Clinton's run is stirring discussion among women about sexism in politics and in the workplace. The pay gap between male and female professionals in the Pittsburgh area exceeds the national average across most industries and occupations, according to a new University of Pittsburgh study. Women managers earned just 58.3% of what male managers made, and 89.5% of what women managers around the country made, according to the 2000 U.S. Census. In the political arena, Pennsylvania ranks 45th among states in number of female officeholders

That 58% is the same number as it was when I was in college back in the 80's..... Seems we have not made any change at all there...... Oh well, at least more of us are managers.....

 

[punkin]

That was an interesting article. Something that caught my eye:



That 58% is the same number as it was when I was in college back in the 80's..... Seems we have not made any change at all there...... Oh well, at least more of us are managers.....

Actually, somewhere in the article it does mention that there has recently been a slide back in women's salaries.

 

[Planogirl]

My next door neighbors put OBAMA posters all over their lawn, and stuck a OBAMA pamphlet in my door!!!!!



Its like Inavasion of the Body Snatchers!!!!!

Now I gotta get new neighbors and a new door!

Now, now. I'm sure that they're just enthusiastic.

Funny though but I have not seen a single poster or sign for any of the three candidates in this area. We are having some local runoffs though and those might be foremost in people's minds right now.

 

[Planogirl]

If they unified it would crush McCain

I believe that too.

 

[DISUNC]

Now, now. I'm sure that they're just enthusiastic.

Funny though but I have not seen a single poster or sign for any of the three candidates in this area. We are having some local runoffs though and those might be foremost in people's minds right now.

Im in Pennsylvania...so things are ratched up a knot!

CBS news did a story about just how the Cacuses are a MESS!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/29/politics/main3979769.shtml

 

[DISUNC]

Actually, somewhere in the article it does mention that there has recently been a slide back in women's salaries.

Mens too!!!!!

 

[MAKmom]

I have a Hillary sign in my Window. I tried to order a yard sign but the web site was not working. My parents went to Pennstate Delco campus to hear Bill & got me a paper sign.

BTW I am the Democratic Rebel around here. I am in Republican territory

 

[Chuck S]

I was an delegate and Mom was an alternate, who was upgraded to delegate, at our county convention yesterday. It was a mess, a total mess.

First off, we all had to sign in, be certified as delegate, alternate, whatever...also we had to sign our candidate preference. OK, fine, so they should have known with 15 minutes after registration how many delegates and alternates from each precinct and what candidate preferences were present, and which alternate needed to be re-seated as delegates. It took an hour and a half.

Then we got a "the Dem party in our county need $$$" speech, then a couple of local candidates spoke, then it was lunch time. According to the agenda we should already have held our precinct elections for our respective State delegates by that time.

Now, our precinct was lucky, we had enough delegates that we weren't combined with other precincts for voting. Overall our county was about 52% Obama, 48% Hillary. Our precinct delegates present were 9 Hillary and 6 Obama. But we had to elect a delegate and alternate to state. The rules were that whoever got the most votes was delegate, and whoever got the next number was alternate...we did not vote for delegate, then vote again for alternate. It was first place delegate, 2nd place alternate. So naturally we had a Clinton delegate and Obama alternate.

Many precinct were not large enough to elect a delegate, so they were combined with their neighboring larger precincts. Which then led to 18 Obama delegates and 4 Clinton delegates overall, even though the county was actually almost evenly split, because larger Obama precincts were combined with smaller Hillary precincts. The number of delegates in each precinct and county isn't determined by the number of voters in the precinct, but how many people in those precincts voted for a Democratic state official in the last general election - quite a convoluted formula.


Then we had 24 county resolutions to vote upon, as to whether we wanted them to advance to state level. It was now past 3 o'clock, the scheduled ending time for the convention. This voting took more than an hour.

Anyway, then our country has 6 "at large" delegates to elect. The overall "make up" of those delegates was suggested by the nominations committee, who by state rules, recommended that the at large delegate be selected to better balance out and reflect the overall attendance at the county level convention. So they determined that the at large delegates should be 1) Clinton supporters 2)Male and 3)Hispanic although overall, we could nominate and vote for anyone. Fortunately, the committee recommendations did win the overall vote, though for some reason some women and non-Hispanic were nominated.

It was now nearly 5 o'clock and many delegates had been leaving throughout the day. We finally left, as the only thing left to do was elect 6 at large alternates, and they were supposed to be for Obama.

There were parts that ran smoothly, the lunch line (Cici's pizza and soft drinks) ran efficiently. Initial check in went fine. It was after the convention actually started that things slowed down, and no one, seemed to know just what was going on.

Anyway, final delegate count for our county Obama 18, Hillary 10, which still isn't very reflective of the popular vote in the primary. 15 Obama to 13 Hillary would have been closer to the primary results.

 

[Planogirl]

Chuck S, that is crazy.

Why does Texas always insist on making everything so difficult?

 

[JARNJ3]

Chuck S, that is crazy.

Why does Texas always insist on making everything so difficult?

It seems like it truly doesn't reflect the popular vote. I am so glad I live in primary election (and for the mostpart blue) NJ!!!!