Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[MassJester]

Richardson was promised something. We'll find out soon enough.

Do you think it likely that the Clintons promised him nothing?

 

[MerryPoppins]

Just tell em what the want to hear, and HOPEFULLY move fast and get out before they find out.

This made me LOL! Now I'm humming this song. Should we suggest that Obama's campaign might want to use it?

THE SIDESTEP
From : "The Best Little *****house In Texas"
(Carol Hall)

Fellow Texans, I am proudly standing here to humbly see.
I assure you, and I mean it- Now, who says I don't speak out as plain as day?
And, fellow Texans, I'm for progress and the flag- long may it fly.
I'm a poor boy, come to greatness. So, it follows that I cannot tell a lie.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Now my good friends, it behooves me to be solemn and declare,
I'm for goodness and for profit and for living clean and saying daily prayer.
And now, my good friends, you can sleep nights, I'll continue to stand tall.
You can trust me, for I promise, I shall keep a watchful eye upon ya'll...

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Now, Miss Mona, I don't know her, though I've heard the name, oh yes.
But, of course I've no close contact, so what she is doing I can only guess.
And now, Miss Mona, she's a blemish on the face of that good town.
I am taking certain steps here, someone somewhere's gonna have to close her down.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

 

[JARNJ3]

Do you think it likely that the Clintons promised him nothing?

Yes. I do.

I think its more likely that Obama promised him something than Hillary did.

 

[MerryPoppins]

Judas is probably a little strong, but it made me smile. I love Carville, too. I would say he was certainly what I would call a fair weather friend. I feel certain he was promised something.

 

[MassJester]

We'll take that song if you guys take this one as your campaign song (same show):

A Lil' Ole Bitty ****ant Country Place

It's just a little bitty ****ant country place
Ain't nothin' much to see
No drinking allowed, we get a nice quiet crowd, plain as it can be
It's just a piddly squatin' old time country place
Ain't nothing to hide at all
Just lots of good will and maybe one small thrill
But there's nothing dirty going on
Nothing dirty going on
We get simple farmers, local business men
Congress folks from Austin, young boys looking for sin
Now we used to get a lot of rough necks, when the oil boom was high
But pay day would get a little rowdy, thank God the field ran dry

[Chorus:]
It's just a little bitty ****ant country place, nothing much to see
No drinking allowed, we get a nice quiet crowd, plain as it can be
It's just a piddly squatin no time country place, nothing to hide at all
Just lots of good will, and maybe one small thrill, but there's nothing dirty going on

I don't hire no married girl, they're not on the ball
They got homes and husbands, they're not stable at all
You know they don't understand a thing about a proper business day
Now what's the point in opening up the store if you give the goods away

[Chorus]

Keep your language clean girls, keep your bedrooms neat
And don't hang around the town cafe and say hi on the street
Mind you P's and Q's and manners, and you don't need no other tools
Cause every girl that lives here knows my special no-no rules

Yea every girl that lives here knows Miss Mona's no-no rules

Ruby, Ray start em!

Beds are not to be wallowed in
That's the kind of thing that big fat lazy hogs do

And it don't make money!
Betrix!

I won't tolerate no tying my telephone with other peoples business

Eloise honey!

And please don't show us no tattoos
No hearts and flowers on your thigh

It's downright tacky

Brands for the cattle and that ain't what we're selling at Miss Mona's

Do you catch my drift?
I pay the food and the rent and the utilities
You keep your mind on your work responsibilities
Don't let your mouth overload your capabilities
And we can get along
Dawn!

Any bad habits you come in with, get rid off right now

Tatty Joe!

I can't stand no chewing gum it looks just like a cow

Lindy Lue!

Any one taking sick leave for to make real sure their sick

And every time you hear that bell...
You better get here double quick

And as for pimps
Pimps are something you don't need
To get your daily business done
Are you listening good?
Keep them leaches and blood suckers of the bathrobes
And I know how to use a gun
And nobody messes with my girls

And any questions you might have about the way I run this place
Don't grip and whine behind my back
Just tell me face to face, I'm open-minded, say it all
Then go upstairs and pack, the door's that way

She pays the food and the rent and the utilities
We keep our mind on our work responsibilities
Don't let your mouth overload your capabilities
And we can get along

[Chorus]

It's just a little bitty ****ant country place, nothing much to see
No drinking allowed, we get a nice quiet crowd, plain as it can be
It's just a piddly squatin no time country place, nothing to hide at all
Just lots of good will and maybe one small thrill
Just lots of good will and maybe one small thrill
Just lots of good will and maybe one small thrill
But there's nothing dirty going on
Nothing dirty going on



Dolly Parton Lyrics

 

[DISUNC]

Do you think it likely that the Clintons promised him nothing?

Just not what he wanted! I smell VP. Obama choose him for the Hispanic vote!

 

[MassJester]

Yes. I do.

I think its more likely that Obama promised him something than Hillary did.

I suppose it's possible they promised him nothing. Possible...

 

[JARNJ3]

Just not what he wanted! I smell VP. Obama choose him for the Hispanic vote!

I don't know........ on Bill Maher the other night, panelists were in agreement he'd have to chose someone "white." They didn't think the country was ready for a double ticket of minority.

He's also a loose cannon who doesn't watch what he says.......

 

["Got Disney"]

I give up the OS are telling me that the electoral votes mean nothing during primaries and when explaining that ,that is true however they are looked at when deciding who could win those states in the General they poo pooed that thought.

I have been looking at this election from all different angles for all three candidates and going by what I have always done for 30 years of voting....


and never turn a blind eye to anything because anything can happen from one day to the next. yet the OS are so animate about Obama i have never seen such an obsession in my 30 years of voting.

I have herd a few Hillary supporters say they will not vote for Obama but almost all have said they will not vote for Hillary. so are they voting the person or the issues

 

[moon]

I think Obama believes that richarson will help with the Hispanic vote (as VP or in another way), but when Richardson and Hillary were candidates the Hispanic population whent big to Hillary over him. I thin his endorsement will have zero cross-over effect

 

[JARNJ3]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23996564]I give up the OS are telling me that the electoral votes mean nothing during primaries and when explaining that ,that is true however they are looked at when deciding who could win those states in the General they poo pooed that thought.

I have been looking at this election from all different angles for all three candidates and going by what I have always done for 30 years of voting....


and never turn a blind eye to anything because anything can happen from one day to the next. yet the OS are so animate about Obama i have never seen such an obsession in my 30 years of voting.

I have herd a few Hillary supporters say they will not vote for Obama but almost all have said they will not vote for Hillary. so are they voting the person or the issues [/QUOTE]

The Obama supporters - especially on the internet - are very passionate about their candidate - and think they can "will" him to victory.

I think we Hillary supporters tend to be more pragmatic.

 

[JARNJ3]

Great Stuff from Hillary's communication director

Three Myths About the Democratic Race
by Peter Daou
3/24/2008 11:26:17 AM

MYTH: Barack Obama is running a positive campaign that will unite Americans.

FACT: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive "full assault" on Hillary's character.

While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary's character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as "disingenuous," "divisive," "untruthful," "dishonest," "polarizing," "calculating," "saying whatever it takes to win," "attempting to deceive the American people," "one of the most secretive in America," “deliberately misleading,” “literally willing to do anything to win,” and “playing politics with war."

This "full assault" on Hillary's integrity and character has reached a new peak since Hillary's victories on March 4th. One of Sen. Obama's top surrogates equated President Clinton with Joe McCarthy; another called Hillary a "monster;" and his campaign manager held an angry conference call claiming that Hillary is "deeply flawed" and has "character issues." That's neither unifying nor hopeful. If Sen. Obama really is the prohibitive favorite some say he is, these negative attacks make absolutely no sense. Why would a frontrunner seek to attack and divide? If Sen. Obama can't unify Democrats in a primary, how can he unify Americans in a general election?

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MYTH: The delegate "math" works decisively against Hillary.

FACT: The delegate math reflects an extremely close race that either candidate can win.

"The Math" is actually very simple: with hundreds of delegates still uncommitted, NEITHER candidate has reached the number of delegates required to secure the nomination. And EITHER candidate can reach the required number in the coming weeks and months. That is indisputable. No amount of editorials, articles, blog posts, charts, graphs, calculations, formulas, or projections will change the basic fact that either candidate can win. Pundits who confidently proclaim that Hillary has no hope of winning because of "the math," have counted Hillary out of this race three times before. Each time they based their sober assessments on 'facts' and 'realities' -- and each time they were wrong.

In a campaign with dozens of unexpected twists and turns, bold prognostications should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Look no further than Sen. Obama's "full assault" on Hillary's character to judge whether he thinks this election is over. The fact is this: Hillary and Sen. Obama are locked in a very close, hard-fought campaign and Hillary is demonstrating precisely the strength of character required of a president. Her resilience in the face of adversity, her faith in the voters, her capacity to rise to every challenge, are part of the reason she is the best general election candidate for Democrats. And it is why she is increasingly strong against John McCain in the polls at the same time that Sen. Obama is dropping against Sen. McCain.

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MYTH: For Hillary to win, super delegates must "overturn the will of the people."

FACT: The race is virtually tied, the "will of the people" is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.

The Obama campaign and Sen. Obama's surrogates have engaged in a sustained public relations effort to convince people that the election is over and that if super delegates perform their established role of choosing a candidate who they believe will make the best nominee and president, they are somehow "overturning the will of the people." They have the audacity to make this argument while quietly and systematically courting those very same super delegates. They are courting them because they know that Sen. Obama needs super delegates to win. The Obama spin is being parroted daily by pundits, but it is patently false. The race is virtually tied; the "will of the people" is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck -- separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.

An incremental advantage for one candidate or the other is hardly a reason for super delegates to change the rules mid-game. Despite the Obama campaign's aggressive spin and pressure, the RULES require super delegates to exercise their best independent judgment, and that is what they will do. Even Sen. Obama's top strategist agrees they should. If not, then why don't prominent Obama endorsers like Senators Kerry (MA) and Kennedy (MA), and Governors Patrick (MA), Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) follow the will of their constituents and switch their support to Hillary? After all, she won their states. And if this is truly about the "will of the people," then Sen. Obama's short-sighted tactic to run out the clock on a revote in Florida and Michigan accomplishes exactly two things: it disenfranchises Florida and Michigan's voters; and it hurts Democrats in a general election. Apparently, for the Obama campaign, the "will of the people" is just words.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Here's a bit of the transcript from the Nevada debate:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript/

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

These are statements (and you can see the video out there where Russert is holding up the pages that were being passed around to the press from the Obama camp about the Clintons and race) that Obama had said his camp wasn't pushing when asked by MSNBC's Morning Joe prior to the debates. Either he's lying or doesn't know what his campaign people are doing. One of them was on MSNBC prior to the debates pushing the whole race thing too, pointing out that they didn't REALLY think the fairy tale line from Bill was a remark that Obama's campaign was not legitimate. Prior to these statements getting repeated over and over in the media Hillary had a substantial backing among black voters.

So is pushing the race card in Jan, back when everyone still had Hillary winning this thing because hardly anyone had voted yet and she was up big in all the polls, negative campaiging?

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Come on guys...Some of you are sounding as rigid and unreasonable as the Obama supporters that are driving me crazy.

Of course Richardson was promised something. But come on, he's a politician. Yes I'm supremely dissappointed in his choice and I can see clearly through his accolades but I believe the Clinton camp offered him (or was dangling) the EXACT same thing and he chose Obama. Remember, Richardson has to keep the Edwards factor in mind as well. He wants to be VP and (maybe too) so does Edwards. IMO, Richardson pre-empted Edwards by picking the front runner (not that I think Edwards is leaning that way, I don't, but who knows).

My point is that just like the Obama supporters, too many people here think the Clinton camp is being honest and forthright in their campaign...Not. They're all politicians. They're all trying to do what's best for them first.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

My point is that just like the Obama supporters, too many people here think the Clinton camp is being honest and forthright in their campaign...Not. They're all politicians. They're all trying to do what's best for them first.

I'd be the last to say that. I know most endorsements come down to what can it do for their careers. I think Richardson is a nice enough guy, but honestly, he won how many delegates? I told this to someone in Jan. I figured they were just keeping him around the debates in case there was a wild party after one of them and someone needed a ride home.

I think Edwards is a bigger fish. Especially with NC still up for grabs. Even though the Kennedy endorsement didn't exactly win Mass for Obama. They only do so much for votes.

 

["Got Disney"]

Come on guys...Some of you are sounding as rigid and unreasonable as the Obama supporters that are driving me crazy.

My point is that just like the Obama supporters, too many people here think the Clinton camp is being honest and forthright in their campaign...Not. They're all politicians. They're all trying to do what's best for them first.

A Politician is a Politician is a Politician.....I for one think that Hillarys Campain is not totally honest and she does play to win and throws the kitchen sink at whom she must.

My problem with Obama doing this is that he states that he refuses to run a campaign like all the rest have in the past..dirty politics...yet he does, and yet continues to deny that he does....

It's like the OS...they do the same thing as he does. They say he is running a clean campaign when he is not. I'ts like they forget that he to is a politician...but they cant see that....because he hids behind Hope and change. And unity of the people...well thats a joke because there is no unity except for his followers. And there are millions that dont get all the hoopla

He will never be able to get REP to think the Demoratic way unless he finds a way to mix oil and water.

This election has run pretty clean compared to so many in the last 30 years that I have witnessed. Could that be due to him...maybe ....or it could just be because so many are tired of all the really bad neg adds. They have been mild to say the most.

 

[DISUNC]

I think Obama believes that richarson will help with the Hispanic vote (as VP or in another way), but when Richardson and Hillary were candidates the Hispanic population whent big to Hillary over him. I thin his endorsement will have zero cross-over effect

Agreed. Hispanics are feircly loyal.

Come on guys...Some of you are sounding as rigid and unreasonable as the Obama supporters that are driving me crazy.

Of course Richardson was promised something. But come on, he's a politician. Yes I'm supremely dissappointed in his choice and I can see clearly through his accolades but I believe the Clinton camp offered him (or was dangling) the EXACT same thing and he chose Obama. Remember, Richardson has to keep the Edwards factor in mind as well. He wants to be VP and (maybe too) so does Edwards. IMO, Richardson pre-empted Edwards by picking the front runner (not that I think Edwards is leaning that way, I don't, but who knows).

My point is that just like the Obama supporters, too many people here think the Clinton camp is being honest and forthright in their campaign...Not. They're all politicians. They're all trying to do what's best for them first.

True to a point. I never said that Hillary was a Angel. I just dont post any "Bad" Hillary links. I am sure we have other threads for that.
But I do post BAD Obama links...and slap him down a few pegs. I do enjoy that!
In fact once she becomes Madame President, I will probably be kvetching about her too.
I dont believe I ever read any out and out lies on this thread pertaining to either candidate.
I have stopped reading the other 2 threads due to the non truths.

I dont think Edwards had anything to do with Richardson going over to Obama.


Obama's Senate record is modest

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama says that if he were president, he'd take politically courageous stands while forging the consensus needed to enact universal health care, immigration revisions, global warming legislation and a withdrawal from Iraq.

His three-year record in the Senate, however, offers little evidence that he can do what he's promising. His party was in the minority for his first two years, and in the third he began campaigning for president and missed lots of time on Capitol Hill. He was absent from or only partly involved in some key bipartisan efforts to head off stalemates on judicial nominations, immigration and Iraq war policy.

"He is asking us to believe he can do something he has yet to do," said Michael Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31424.html


Obama collapse in final contests may be Clinton's best hope

....But it is still not impossible. There remains at least one scenario where Clinton could win. It is an increasingly unlikely one and one that could traumatize the Democratic Party. Still, it gives succor to her supporters, and presumably Clinton herself, and is something to keep in mind watching the two of them head toward the endgame of their contest.

The electorate that matters most now are not the voters waiting to go to the polls in the 10 nominating contests that remain between now and June. Instead, it is the superdelegates - the elected officials and party leaders who have automatic status as uncommitted delegates and whose votes are needed to put either Obama or Clinton over the top.....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/24/america/clinton.php

 

[DISUNC]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23998071]A Politician is a Politician is a Politician.....I for one think that Hillarys Campain is not totally honest and she does play to win and throws the kitchen sink at whom she must.

My problem with Obama doing this is that he states that he refuses to run a campaign like all the rest have in the past..dirty politics...yet he does, and yet continues to deny that he does....

It's like the OS...they do the same thing as he does. They say he is running a clean campaign when he is not. I'ts like they forget that he to is a politician...but they cant see that....because he hids behind Hope and change. And unity of the people...well thats a joke because there is no unity except for his followers. And there are millions that dont get all the hoopla

He will never be able to get REP to think the Demoratic way unless he finds a way to mix oil and water.

This election has run pretty clean compared to so many in the last 30 years that I have witnessed. Could that be due to him...maybe ....or it could just be because so many are tired of all the really bad neg adds. They have been mild to say the most.[/QUOTE]

Obama had his "pundits" start the whole "RACE CARD" thing weeks ago.

Truly so far everything Obama says he is NOT or what he does not do...is PRECISELY what he is and does!

I will always listen to what a candidate Says....I just NEVER take their word. I like to read up on what others say & point out to.
To me OSers hang on to every word he says, and question nothing.
My problem is when I started to point out that maybe O was not what he says he was, I got hit with the "You drink the kool-aid" or just being ignored...or WORSE the "read his book" retort

I would like to hear from Obamas past. With all his experience, he HAD to help someone out, some where. This is what is missing in his campaign. I only hear from other politicos looking out for thier own behinds, regarding Obama. As I said "for a man who claims to be 'For the People"...Where are the People?"

So why bother?

 

[DISUNC]

Pa. Dems Set Enrollment Record


HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - Democratic Party enrollment surged past the 4 million mark Monday, setting a state record on the last day Pennsylvanians had to register to vote in next month's presidential primary....

....the number of Democrats increased by more than 161,000, or more than 4 percent, to at least 4,044,952. No political party in the state had previously reached the 4 million threshold.....

....Registration in the GOP declined by about 1 percent, to 3,215,478 statewide.....

....The largest percentage gains were concentrated in the Philadelphia suburbs and the state's central region, mostly in counties where Republicans still outnumber Democrats......

....Of the more than 8.2 million Pennsylvania voters, more than 120,000 are people who were not previously registered to vote......

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080325/D8VK65UG0.html

I better get to the polls early that day!!!!!!!!

 

[DISUNC]

I think Edwards is a bigger fish. Especially with NC still up for grabs. Even though the Kennedy endorsement didn't exactly win Mass for Obama. They only do so much for votes.

True. His California First lady endorsement didnt help either.

Really, when was the last time you heard ANY politian endorse another polititian and said "OK now I know who to vote for!" ?