Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[DISUNC]

Puerto Rico Moves Up Primary

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Democratic Party on Monday approved Puerto Rico's proposal to scrap its caucus and hold a presidential primary on June 1.

A primary will give more voters a chance to take part in the nominating process, said Puerto Rico Democratic Chairman Roberto Prats. He said caucuses were fine in previous years, when the party nominee was already settled and the only task was to choose delegates to attend the party's national convention.

"Now it's different," Prats told the Democratic National Committee's rules panel in a conference call. "This is the first time in decades that Puerto Rico will be participating in an event of this magnitude."

Democratic Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton are locked in a historic fight for the nomination that could last all the way to this summer's national convention. Puerto Rico will have 55 delegates at stake in its primary. Only three remaining states, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana, have more delegates up for grabs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j7ZnrN6l4FlR0ioIgtKAdBSCSokAD8VK1U980

 

[moon]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23990252]

As for Richardson...I smell a snake and cant believe that he just went over there because he feels Obama is the best. He was offered something that was so appealing that he gave up his friendship and loyalty to the Clinton's.

JMO[/QUOTE]

The arguments from Richardson for supporting Obama have been idiotic. "We need something different that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton" "We need a new generation in leadership" Nothing about who is best to run the country. As for the need of "a new generation in leadership" does that mean he is retiring?

 

[moon]

Puerto Rico Moves Up Primary

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Democratic Party on Monday approved Puerto Rico's proposal to scrap its caucus and hold a presidential primary on June 1.

A primary will give more voters a chance to take part in the nominating process, said Puerto Rico Democratic Chairman Roberto Prats. He said caucuses were fine in previous years, when the party nominee was already settled and the only task was to choose delegates to attend the party's national convention.

"Now it's different," Prats told the Democratic National Committee's rules panel in a conference call. "This is the first time in decades that Puerto Rico will be participating in an event of this magnitude."

Democratic Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton are locked in a historic fight for the nomination that could last all the way to this summer's national convention. Puerto Rico will have 55 delegates at stake in its primary. Only three remaining states, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana, have more delegates up for grabs.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j7ZnrN6l4FlR0ioIgtKAdBSCSokAD8VK1U980

Great news! I'm glad PR is aware that Cacuses are undemocratic, and the worst way to pick a candidate!

 

[Hound 109]

BO supporters won't change their support, HC supporters won't change their support. But there are alot of folks who have lives who don't post on the Dis & who don't watch fox & msnbc. They start paying attention 3 weeks before their primary or the Gen. Elec.

Working Class & Middle Class families know HC. They are getting to know BO. They "liked" him. & they like the idea of him. & they hoped that he would be a "different", "new" kind of candidate.

But they realize he's not a "new" type of candidate. & they cringe when seeing the pastor videos. I think this voter will go big for HC the rest of the way.

I also think ALOT of folks who are independently conservative or moderate republican will be registering Dem. (in PA & other states) for the same reason. They know HC & will "accept" her (for them preferably as a second choice), but (like me) they do NOT trust BO any more. They don't know what more skeletons might come out. The do NOT want him as a POTUS.

 

[Hound 109]

PR has 55 delegates?? Wow.

I suspect it's good for HC....but wow.

Why would they get so many?


(I'm gonna have some garlicky pork shoulder & black beans/white rice & plantains at the little PR restaurant i go to the week of their vote....just for good luck).

 

[Disenfranchised]

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton adviser James Carville is refusing to apologize for comparing New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson to Judas.
Carville made the comparison to The New York Times after Richardson, once a member of former President Bill Clinton's Cabinet, endorsed Clinton rival Barack Obama last week for the Democratic presidential nomination. Carville called it an "act of betrayal," and pointed out that it came around Holy Week.

"Mr. Richardson's endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out (Jesus) for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic," he said.

Richardson told "Fox News Sunday" over the weekend that he wouldn't respond by getting "in the gutter like that."

"That's typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton," Richardson said on Fox. "They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."

Carville told CNN on Monday that Richardson had committed an "egregious act" and he intended to make a sharp response to it.

"I wanted to use a very strong metaphor to make my point," Carville told CNN. "I doubt if Governor Richardson and I will be particularly close in the future."
Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters Monday that he didn't agree with Carville's comment.

"If I had said it, I would apologize," Wolfson said. "I did not say it, and if I had I would, but that's up to him."

Richardson served as ambassador to the United Nations and energy secretary during the Clinton administration.

James!

 

["Got Disney"]

Well I guess the OS dont like what i had to say over on the Richardson thread and was put on ignore.....

I mentioned that I worry that if Obama does not win that there will be riots in the streets but If hillary wins there will not be.....guess that was not appreciated

what is up with the OS it seems like they are having political brain farts when it comes to how elections are played out it's like okay...we have 3 more votes than you so get out.

Is it just me or does it seem like there ae a lot of supporters that dont understand the process of electing a POTUS?

 

[Disenfranchised]

Fact Check: Sen. Obama Accepts Over $1 Million From Subprime Lending Industry
3/24/2008 3:14:24 PM

The Obama campaign’s response to the comprehensive plan Hillary laid out to address the housing crisis today was not to discuss their disagreement with her proposal but to assert that Hillary has received contributions from subprime loan companies.

Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans, that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.

Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans. [cq.com]

Obama received $266,907 from Lehman. [Cq.com]

Obama received $5395 from GMAC. [Cq.com]

Obama received $150,850 from CS First Boston. [Cq.com]

Obama received $11,250 from Countrywide. [Cq.com]

Obama received $9052 from Washington Mutual. [Cq.com]

Obama received $161,850 from Citigroup. [Cq.com]

Obama received $4600 from CBASS. [Cq.com]

Obama received $170,050 from Morgan Stanley. [Cq.com]

Obama received $1150 from Centex. [Cq.com]

Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. [Cq.com]

Sen. Obama has taken more money from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans than Hillary. Sen. Obama has received $434,420 from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans. Hillary has received $364,950. [Cq.com; USA Today]

 

["Got Disney"]

The arguments from Richardson for supporting Obama have been idiotic. "We need something different that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton" "We need a new generation in leadership" Nothing about who is best to run the country. As for the need of "a new generation in leadership" does that mean he is retiring?

he will not retire and kiss butt to be his VP...it was thought that he may have been Hillarys choice for VP...maybe she told him that she had other plans so he jumped ship in new HOPE FF CHANGE...his change for VP

 

[Disenfranchised]

Fact Check: Hillary's Emergency Housing Proposal
3/24/2008 6:17:33 PM

The Obama campaign claims that the Emergency Working Group proposed by Hillary today is the same as a proposal introduced by Sen. Obama a year ago. It is not.

If Barack Obama can’t understand the difference between the specific Emergency Working Group on Foreclosures Senator Clinton proposed today and the amorphous proposal he put forward over a year ago, then he clearly doesn’t understand what is needed to solve the housing crisis. The Emergency Working Group Senator Clinton is calling for would zero in on the best and fastest way to facilitate the bulk restructuring of mortgages and is specifically tasked with determining how to implement new legislation by Representative Frank and Senator Dodd.

Today, Hillary urged President Bush to immediately convene a working group that would lay out a plan to achieve broad-scale restructuring of at-risk mortgages within three weeks:

“I am writing to urge you to immediately convene an Emergency Working Group on Foreclosures to investigate how to most effectively achieve broad-scale restructuring of at-risk mortgages. As you know, Rep. Frank and Sen. Dodd have proposed legislation to expand the Federal Housing Administration’s capacity to guarantee restructured mortgages, and to facilitate an auction for mortgage pools among private sector actors. This legislation responds to the fact that the existing FHA Secure program is inadequate in addressing the scale of restructuring needed, and is not working to unfreeze the mortgage markets.

…You can get ahead of these issues by immediately calling for an Emergency Working Group to report back to Congress and the Administration within three weeks on how to solve this crisis while focusing first and foremost on keeping families in their homes.

The Working Group should be headed by a non-partisan group of eminent leaders like Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker, and Bob Rubin – each of whom supports one of the remaining candidates in the Presidential race. The Working Group should focus on key questions about whether and how we can use an expanded FHA guarantee to facilitate a private sector auction as proposed in the Frank/Dodd legislation.
Last year, Sen. Obama suggested convening a group to talk about how the private sector might act to address at-risk mortgages:

On March 22, 2007, Senator Obama asked President Bush to “convene a homeownership preservation summit with leading mortgage lenders, investors, loan servicing organizations, consumer advocates, federal regulators and housing-related agencies to assess options for private sector responses to the challenge.”

 

[disney4us2002]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23993613]Well I guess the OS dont like what i had to say over on the Richardson thread and was put on ignore.....

I mentioned that I worry that if Obama does not win that there will be riots in the streets but If hillary wins there will not be.....guess that was not appreciated

.....
[/QUOTE]

Don't you feel special, lol. That's really saying something when you're put on Ignore by your own side!

I'm afraid of the same thing and I've heard similar comments from friends' husbands who are DC cops. I think riots are completely possible, maybe even likely, if BO doesn't get the nom.

It's well known that I'm no supporter of HC but what I've learned of BO scares me to the extreme. Hang tough Hillary supporters!

 

[KikiFan]

Fact Check: Sen. Obama Accepts Over $1 Million From Subprime Lending Industry
3/24/2008 3:14:24 PM

The Obama campaign’s response to the comprehensive plan Hillary laid out to address the housing crisis today was not to discuss their disagreement with her proposal but to assert that Hillary has received contributions from subprime loan companies.

Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans, that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.

He's a hypocrite. A complete and total hypocrite.

 

[JARNJ3]

Don't you feel special, lol. That's really saying something when you're put on Ignore by your own side!

I'm afraid of the same thing and I've heard similar comments from friends' husbands who are DC cops. I think riots are completely possible, maybe even likely, if BO doesn't get the nom.

It's well known that I'm no supporter of HC but what I've learned of BO scares me to the extreme. Hang tough Hillary supporters!

I don't get the whole ignore thing. I've never used it anywhere - I'm too nosy to read what others are saying! My way of ignoring is not responding.

Now to the riots - I believe that Obama has more passionate supporters than Hillary does ....... I believe that Obama supporters will protest if they feel he's "cheated" out of the nomination - which then in turn could maybe lead to some "rioting" if the protesting got out of hand (GWB supporters storming the recount room, anyone?) But I don't think it would be out and out anarchy.

Again - I just wish these two candidates would make a deal - if one of them has both the pledged delegate lead and the popular vote - then that person is presidential nominee - the other the vice presidential nominee.

I don't believe each side "hates" the other as some supporters do. Politics makes strange bedfellows. The Hillary\Obama voting bloc would be hard to beat <- in my humble opinion.........

If either candidate is tossed aside for an unknown VP selection - one side will lose its momentum and not show up in November. Its a fact. While NY and CA will probably stay blue - NJ and PA will be up for grabs. The Dems can't afford to lose any states.

 

[JARNJ3]

I guess I've been really lucky. When it comes to presidential elections I've voted for Clinton twice, Gore, and then Kerry. And I genuinely liked all of them. I never saw any of them as "the lesser of two evils"

So the thought of voting for Obama because he's "the lesser of two evils" pretty much turns my stomach. And I'm not entirely sure he is the lesser of two evils. There is a huge unknown element to Obama that really bothers me. Everytime I find out something more it's not good. What's going to happen between now and Nov?

DISUNC The issue about the electorial college is an issue that needs to be discussed. But Obama people are so convinced that he can beat McCain. But those numbers don't support their claim.

I totally agree here - I've really never had to "hold my nose" to vote - I think that's because the primary had always been decided before I had to choose - so I had time to digest all the information about our nominee.

I really liked Gore - it was a travesty what happened to him. Had he run this time - I would have been on his team, and not Hillary's.

Obama is going to be learning on the job - and will be bound to make many mistakes in the beginning (just like Clinton & GWB did). The question is - are we at a time in history - where we can afford to recover from these mistakes?

At this point in time - unless Hillary is the VP choice - I will be voting by not voting for President.

 

[JARNJ3]

Notice how the media does not cover this issue!!!!

Obama people are fixated on the "he won 12 states in a row" thing. My answer to that is "soooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

1) Just so happens those states are 12 in a row.
2) Most of them WILL go GOP in Nov....WINNER TAKE ALL. The question is will the traditional DEM states...CA, NY...etc go Dem if Obama is the candidate????

Yes - but should they count?

Sorry - I couldn't help myself......

A little tweaking of the Obama supporters who lurk here........

 

[Planogirl]

I admit that I had to hold my nose to vote for Kerry. I just wasn't that enthused about him. Clinton (twice) and Gore were easy though.

So the electoral college doesn't matter? I think that Gore might want to explain why it matters very much!

 

[JARNJ3]

James!

I love Carville. You can't get a more loyal friend than he.

And enough of this apologizing already - what are we - all 3rd graders?

 

[JARNJ3]

The arguments from Richardson for supporting Obama have been idiotic. "We need something different that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton" "We need a new generation in leadership" Nothing about who is best to run the country. As for the need of "a new generation in leadership" does that mean he is retiring?

Richardson was promised something. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[DISUNC]

PR has 55 delegates?? Wow.

I suspect it's good for HC....but wow.

Why would they get so many?


(I'm gonna have some garlicky pork shoulder & black beans/white rice & plantains at the little PR restaurant i go to the week of their vote....just for good luck).

ALOT of people in PR!

James!

He does call em as he sees em! Where is his wife?

Fact Check: Sen. Obama Accepts Over $1 Million From Subprime Lending Industry
3/24/2008 3:14:24 PM

The Obama campaign’s response to the comprehensive plan Hillary laid out to address the housing crisis today was not to discuss their disagreement with her proposal but to assert that Hillary has received contributions from subprime loan companies.

Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans, that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.

Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans. [cq.com]

Obama received $266,907 from Lehman. [Cq.com]

Obama received $5395 from GMAC. [Cq.com]

Obama received $150,850 from CS First Boston. [Cq.com]

Obama received $11,250 from Countrywide. [Cq.com]

Obama received $9052 from Washington Mutual. [Cq.com]

Obama received $161,850 from Citigroup. [Cq.com]

Obama received $4600 from CBASS. [Cq.com]

Obama received $170,050 from Morgan Stanley. [Cq.com]

Obama received $1150 from Centex. [Cq.com]

Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. [Cq.com]

Sen. Obama has taken more money from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans than Hillary. Sen. Obama has received $434,420 from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans. Hillary has received $364,950. [Cq.com; USA Today]

Here is a list of Hillarys PAC $ That Obama deems as HORRIBLE!

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)

Political Action Committee Contributions: 2007-2008 Campaign Cycle

Total 2007-2008 campaign contributions: $9,100


AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $2000
INTERACTIVE CORP POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE AKA IACPAC $2500
UNITED TRANSPORTATION UNION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UTU PAC) $10000

http://www3.capwiz.com/mygov/bio/fec/?id=10902&cycle=2007-2008

TWU gave her the $, and him the verbal nod.

I can see why Obama is against hillaries PAC's...who knows what evil those Veterinarins are????????

Fact Check: Hillary's Emergency Housing Proposal
3/24/2008 6:17:33 PM

The Obama campaign claims that the Emergency Working Group proposed by Hillary today is the same as a proposal introduced by Sen. Obama a year ago. It is not.

If Barack Obama can’t understand the difference between the specific Emergency Working Group on Foreclosures Senator Clinton proposed today and the amorphous proposal he put forward over a year ago, then he clearly doesn’t understand what is needed to solve the housing crisis. The Emergency Working Group Senator Clinton is calling for would zero in on the best and fastest way to facilitate the bulk restructuring of mortgages and is specifically tasked with determining how to implement new legislation by Representative Frank and Senator Dodd.

There is very little that Barak Obama UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!

He's a hypocrite. A complete and total hypocrite.

...and a CON Artist! Just tell em what the want to hear, and HOPEFULLY move fast and get out before they find out. Unfortunately for him, the longer this goes on, the better off we are.
On one other thread I equated him to Prof Harold Hill from the Music Man.
We got TROUBLE my friends!!!!

I don't get the whole ignore thing. I've never used it anywhere - I'm too nosy to read what others are saying! My way of ignoring is not responding..

ME too!

Again - I just wish these two candidates would make a deal - if one of them has both the pledged delegate lead and the popular vote - then that person is presidential nominee - the other the vice presidential nominee. ..

Too late for that!

Obama is going to be learning on the job - and will be bound to make many mistakes in the beginning (just like Clinton & GWB did). The question is - are we at a time in history - where we can afford to recover from these mistakes?

NO WE CANT!

 

[DISUNC]

Richardson was promised something. We'll find out soon enough.

i hope not!