Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[wvrevy]

For the millionth time on the Dis Boards I ask...What has Obama done???? And for the millionth time...I doubt that I will get a answer.

You don't want an answer, because if you did, you wouldn't have to ask, as the information is out there in any number of places (including here on the DIS). Also, caucuses aren't unfair, as both candidates play by the same exact same rules.


I have a different question, though. How can you justify having the Michigan vote count when Obama did as the party suggested and took his name off the ballot? I've seen several people here reference her "just barely being behind if you count Michigan and Floriday", but I've yet to see anyone justify counting Michigan as a win for her when her name was the only viable one on the ballot...and 40+% of the people still voted "uncommitted".

 

[VolleyballQt07]

DISUNC...Heres your answer....its a start...I can add more if you like (which I would doubt anyways...I've done some research...obviously you haven't)....


Passed 2007 Ethics Reform Bill with Sen. Feingold

Worked with Repub Senator to pass Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act

Worked with Kennedy and MCCAIN to pass Immigration Reform Bill

Passed amendment (which became law) to press EPA to comply with lead paint regs after a 7 yr. delay

Passed law requiring defense secretary to prepare military and civilians for possible influenza outbreak

Passed legislation providing $25 million for Avian flu research and containment

Passed legislation creating tax credit for the installation of E85 fuel pumps

Passed amendment to law to fund research for hybrid/flex fuel vehicles

Passed law regarding nuclear threat reduction (sorry can't read my own writing on this one for full descrip)

Passed legis to keep WMD out of hands of terrorists

Sponsered Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security and Democration Promotion Act.

Not bad for a guy who supposedly does nothing....

I can go on, but I have to leave now...I do have a life outside of the DIS. but just wanted to post a few things he has worked on while in the Senate. Don't want you HRC people to think he is just playing tiddlywinks .

 

[Hound 109]

You don't want an answer, because if you did, you wouldn't have to ask, as the information is out there in any number of places (including here on the DIS). Also, caucuses aren't unfair, as both candidates play by the same exact same rules.

It's not that they're "unfair", it that they're a crappy way to elect a Presidential Nominee, since the winner of the Caucus could be a different person that the winner of the popular vote. IE- Texas.

You're right, they were (are) part of the rules & if BO had made the 2025 delegate total, they he would have been the nominee fair & square. BUT....those SAME rules say that the SuperDs decide who is the nominee if NEITHER candidate gets to the magic number....& it puts other factors in play (& IMO THE POPULAR VOTE WILL BE THE FACTOR THAT DECIDES IT...& I'M WAITING FOR ANYONE TO TELL ME HOW THE POPULAR VOTE "WON'T BE THE DECIDING FACTOR".



I have a different question, though. How can you justify having the Michigan vote count when Obama did as the party suggested and took his name off the ballot?

No one could justify it with a straight face. They're either "playing politics" or aren't thinking correctly. Most reasonable people on both sides will state (or will come to the conclusion) that a "Do Over" is mandatory in MI & probable to mandatory in FL.

I've seen several people here reference her "just barely being behind if you count Michigan and Floriday", but I've yet to see anyone justify counting Michigan as a win for her when her name was the only viable one on the ballot...and 40+% of the people still voted "uncommitted".

This is why a do over is mandatory in MI, the only way to "count" the popular vote in MI is if both Candidates are on the ballot. We agree, HC supporters who say you can "count" the current MI popular vote for HC (& not for BO) are either playing politics or ill informed.

Eventually the news media (& the BO & HC hard-ballers) will catch up with the fact that Do Overs are MANDATORY in MI & FL, & IMO these two states will decide the popular vote (& thus the election). Every vote in every single state from here on out will matter. I suspect HC will be a couple hundred thousand votes behind BO going into the Do Overs. It will be bigger than the national election in NOV.

 

[wvrevy]

Eventually the news media (& the BO & HC hard-ballers) will catch up with the fact that Do Overs are MANDATORY in MI & FL, & IMO these two states will decide the popular vote (& thus the election). Every vote in every single state from here on out will matter. I suspect HC will be a couple hundred thousand votes behind BO going into the Do Overs. It will be bigger than the national election in NOV.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I agree that caucuses are not the optimal way to pick a president. But they are what they are, and they've been in place for years, so the vitriol thrown towards the process by Clinton supporters just comes off as a bit self serving.

The same goes for the agrument about the "popular vote" not being the final deciding factor. The system is set up to be based on delegtes, not popular vote. Just like in the general election, if you went solely by popular vote then the only states that would have any say in the process are California, Texas, New York, and Florida.

And we do agree on Florida and Michigan. Now...could you maybe tell your candidate to stop touting those "wins" every time she lists the states she's won?

 

[Hound 109]

What was Bill Clinton's foreign policy experience when he ran? What hurts me - not angers me, but genuinely hurts me - are the comments HC makes which are so similar to the criticism leveled at her husband during his campaign.

"He's just peddling hope, he doesn't have the right kind of experience, he's just an empty suit making pretty speeches..." I worked on Bill Clinton's campaign, worked my hiney off and I cried with joy when he was elected.

So when HC stumped for her husband, when she supported him on the campaign trail - she was just pretending? Based on her statements now, he was unqualified in her eyes. Or has she conveniently redefined what makes a person qualified?

It "hurts you"?? Buck up.

They're running for President. Both candidates have a right to exploit the weaknesses & perceived weaknesses of their oponents.

If Hillary was married to BO, then she should state on the stump that he'd be better on Foreign Policy than Kissenger & Churchill. Since she's not, she should slam him on his platitudes & his inexperience. It's up to the voters to decide who's most correct.

BO is slamming her on her 2002 vote & he HAS EVERY right to do so. The fact that BOTH CANDIDATES enabled Bush by voting to fund the war (& are currently hypocrites imo...) & that Obama wasn't even IN the Senate at the time....doesn't matter. He HAS EVERY RIGHT to slam her. It's up to HC to deal with it.

Thankfully I see BO stepping it up. I'm glad. If he wins the nomination he's going to hit like a Force 5 Hurricane by the Repubs & he better be battle tested.

 

[VolleyballQt07]

As far as Hillary's experience over Obamas, where have you been for the past 16 years? We ALL KNOW Hillary's experience, Its Obamas experience that remains in question? For the millionth time on the Dis Boards I ask...What has Obama done???? And for the millionth time...I doubt that I will get a answer.[/QUOTE]


Which is exactly why I don't support her...Obviously that type of so called "experience" hasn't worked which is why we need NEW IDEAS!!!..Where have YOU been the last 16 years, since you are so interested in my going ons......What happened with her health care plan again that she has worked on for the last 15 or so years...oh yeah, nothing.. Who has had to work to keep hubby from playing with the hired help?? Who again has grossly mismanaged her PRIMARY campaign (as admitted by even some of your cronies) and underestimated her opponent? How can she run the country when she can't even run the primary campaign, let alone how she will run a general election campaign...I'll be sure to stock up on popcorn to watch that fiasco, should she get the nom.!! And if I were to promote someone I would also take into consideration someone who has NEW IDEAS and enthusiams....

I also stated that NONE OF US KNOWS WHY ANY OF THE CANDIDATES DIDN"T VOTE ON ISSUES......I NEVER said Obama didn't vote because he was on vacation....are you purposely being dense or are you really that dense ??? I stated that there are several reasons why ALL of them missed votes that NONE OF US KNOW (unless you have the inside scoop, which I am sure you do ) so with your line of thinking then NONE of them have been doing their jobs.


HOW DARE YOU EVEN suggest that my vote in Wisconsin doesn't count or isn't important. If Hillary would have DONE HER JOB AND CLINCHED ON FEB 4 then my vote probably wouldn't have done much, but she didnt' and now EVERY VOTE IN EVERY STATE counts from FEB. 4 on out and if you don't believe that, then thats your problem. Apparently we are all third class citizens or what??? I guarantee one hundred percent that if the tables were turned and Hillary had won the majority of states but not the "important" ones that would be a whole 'nother story...You would find some way to spin that.


Your crying about this isn't fair and that isn't fair makes you sound like my kids when they don't get their own way. To which I tell them, life isn't fair so deal with it..

Gotta run, I have more important issues to deal with right now.

 

[Hound 109]

It was Tina Fey that Obama said he had to call. She was the host one night on SNL, but no longer is on that show. See he dont even know who to call in this instance.

Did you see SNL last night!?They went after Obama BIG TIME!!!!!!


Yeah DisUnc, I should have mentioned i posted while I was watching...it inspired the post.


They ran their version of the 3:00am commercial...with Obama in the WH, and he calls Hillary for help!

Even helped him to turn on the heater.


No, it just seems that way since they are the nosiest ones here! They ran out of reasons as to why Obama should be president, in two posts on their thread...so now they come here to knock Hillary!


I am a PA Hillary supporter too!

Two articles of interest

Hillary & the Invisible Woman
http://www.newsweek.com/id/120064

Obama in Senate: Star power, minor role
Realities of being a freshman limited his effectiveness
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23540579/

This one is about how he really hasnt DONE anything. Also may I add HE HAS MISSED 40% of the votes...not to mention NOT one meeting happened on the committee he chairs!

Thats because he wasn't able to vote "present".

 

[moon]

DISUNC...Heres your answer....its a start...I can add more if you like (which I would doubt anyways...I've done some research...obviously you haven't)....


Passed 2007 Ethics Reform Bill with Sen. Feingold

Worked with Repub Senator to pass Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act

Worked with Kennedy and MCCAIN to pass Immigration Reform Bill

Passed amendment (which became law) to press EPA to comply with lead paint regs after a 7 yr. delay

Passed law requiring defense secretary to prepare military and civilians for possible influenza outbreak

Passed legislation providing $25 million for Avian flu research and containment

Passed legislation creating tax credit for the installation of E85 fuel pumps

Passed amendment to law to fund research for hybrid/flex fuel vehicles

Passed law regarding nuclear threat reduction (sorry can't read my own writing on this one for full descrip)

Passed legis to keep WMD out of hands of terrorists

Sponsered Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security and Democration Promotion Act.

Not bad for a guy who supposedly does nothing....

I can go on, but I have to leave now...I do have a life outside of the DIS. but just wanted to post a few things he has worked on while in the Senate. Don't want you HRC people to think he is just playing tiddlywinks .

Looks good on paper, but let's examine at one of those "acomplishments"

Worked with Kennedy and MCCAIN to pass Immigration Reform Bill

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23540579/page/3/

"To others, though, the mismatch between Mr. Obama’s outside profile and his inside accomplishments wore thin. While some senators spent hours in closed-door meetings over immigration reform in early 2007, he dropped in only occasionally, prompting complaints that he was something of a dilettante.

He joined a bipartisan group, which included Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and Mr. Kennedy, that agreed to stick to a final compromise bill even though it was sure to face challenges from interest groups on both sides.

Yet when the measure reached the floor, Mr. Obama distanced himself from the compromise, advocating changes sought by labor groups. The bill collapsed."

Is that what he includes as an acomplishment? I wonder how many more like that are on that list?

 

[wvrevy]

Looks good on paper, but let's examine at one of those "acomplishments"



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23540579/page/3/

"To others, though, the mismatch between Mr. Obama’s outside profile and his inside accomplishments wore thin. While some senators spent hours in closed-door meetings over immigration reform in early 2007, he dropped in only occasionally, prompting complaints that he was something of a dilettante.

He joined a bipartisan group, which included Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and Mr. Kennedy, that agreed to stick to a final compromise bill even though it was sure to face challenges from interest groups on both sides.

Yet when the measure reached the floor, Mr. Obama distanced himself from the compromise, advocating changes sought by labor groups. The bill collapsed."

Is that what he includes as an acomplishment? I wonder how many more like that are on that list?

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov, but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.

During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.

In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.

An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.

****The above was posted on another site, and I am not the author****

 

[DISUNC]

Which is exactly why I don't support her...Obviously that type of so called "experience" hasn't worked which is why we need NEW IDEAS!!!..Where have YOU been the last 16 years, since you are so interested in my going ons......What happened with her health care plan again that she has worked on for the last 15 or so years...oh yeah, nothing.. Who has had to work to keep hubby from playing with the hired help?? Who again has grossly mismanaged her PRIMARY campaign (as admitted by even some of your cronies) and underestimated her opponent? How can she run the country when she can't even run the primary campaign, let alone how she will run a general election campaign...I'll be sure to stock up on popcorn to watch that fiasco, should she get the nom.!! And if I were to promote someone I would also take into consideration someone who has NEW IDEAS and enthusiams....

I also stated that NONE OF US KNOWS WHY ANY OF THE CANDIDATES DIDN"T VOTE ON ISSUES......I NEVER said Obama didn't vote because he was on vacation....are you purposely being dense or are you really that dense ??? I stated that there are several reasons why ALL of them missed votes that NONE OF US KNOW (unless you have the inside scoop, which I am sure you do ) so with your line of thinking then NONE of them have been doing their jobs.


HOW DARE YOU EVEN suggest that my vote in Wisconsin doesn't count or isn't important. If Hillary would have DONE HER JOB AND CLINCHED ON FEB 4 then my vote probably wouldn't have done much, but she didnt' and now EVERY VOTE IN EVERY STATE counts from FEB. 4 on out and if you don't believe that, then thats your problem. Apparently we are all third class citizens or what??? I guarantee one hundred percent that if the tables were turned and Hillary had won the majority of states but not the "important" ones that would be a whole 'nother story...You would find some way to spin that.


Your crying about this isn't fair and that isn't fair makes you sound like my kids when they don't get their own way. To which I tell them, life isn't fair so deal with it..

Gotta run, I have more important issues to deal with right now.

And this post is why I will never debate here on the DIS with any Obama supporter anymore.
Nothing but lies, distortions, and absolute name calling, and citing delusional occurences that never happened.

 

[JARNJ3]

Media tainted by anti-Clinton bias

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/09/Opinion/Media_tainted_by_anti.shtml

By Bill Maxwell, Times Columnist
Published March 9, 2008

For a brief period last week, earnest members of my chosen profession, the press, did a little soul-searching and asked if we have been, and are, biased against Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton.

The conclusion: Of course we are. Any journalist who denies this fact is unable to recognize objectivity if it were branded on his eyeballs.

I am not referring to opinion writers, who are expected to bring their personal perspectives and slants to issues and events. I am talking about editors and reporters charged with delivering a product the public can trust as truth and fairness. (For the record, though, most pundits, conservatives and liberals, also show bias against Clinton.)

If Clinton had not raised the issue and if Saturday Night Live had not spoofed journalists for fawning over Sen. Barack Obama, like puppies licking their owners' mouths, the charge of bias probably would have remained a mere wink-and-nod charade.

The charge of bias picked up more credence when Clinton fundraiser Walter Shorenstein, founder of the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University, sent a memo to Democratic Party superdelegates criticizing media coverage of Clinton and Obama.

Shorenstein wrote: "The stakes are so high - for our security, our economy, our health care, our future and our country. ... Is it in the country's best interest that voters received far more information about Hillary's laugh than Obama's legislative record?"

Several independent watchdog organizations, including Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting and the Center for Media and Public Affairs, have documented persistent and widespread bias against Clinton and in favor of Obama.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs reported that since mid December, when the Iowa caucuses came into play, Obama has received the lion's share of the positive coverage: "From Dec. 16 through Jan. 27, five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84 percent) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51 percent) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton. The gap in good press widened since the New Hampshire primary, with Clinton dropping to 47 percent positive comments and Obama holding steady at 83 percent positive.

"NBC's coverage has been the most critical of Clinton - nearly 2 to 1 negative (36 percent positive and to 64 percent negative). Conversely, ABC's coverage was most supportive - nearly 2 to 1 positive (63 percent vs. 37 percent). CBS and Fox were more balanced - 50 percent positive comments on Fox and 56 percent positive on CBS."

The Pew Research Center found a sharp difference in tone between coverage of Clinton and Obama. Here, I also must address the pundits. Most, left and right, have been unfriendly to Clinton, some writing her obit and others advising her to fold up her tent. Obama, on the other hand, has been treated like the Second Coming.

If you do not believe me, go back and reread your newspapers and magazines. Order transcripts of your network nightly news and read them. I guarantee that you will hear a lot of Hillary bashing and a whole lot Obama serenading.

The most surprising finding, at least to me, was the pervasive bias in coverage of the two candidates' foreign policy. "When it comes to foreign policy coverage - perhaps the most important issue in the coming election," Shorenstein wrote in his memo, "the media monitoring group, Media Tenor, found that there was not a single positive story about Hillary Clinton and foreign policy in the month of February."

If we only had anecdotal evidence, I would be willing to question, or even dismiss, claims of media bias against Clinton. But each watchdog group conducted content analyses and crunched the numbers.

When I conducted my own analysis, I found that real or perceived bad news about Clinton earned front-page placement more often than for Obama. Rarely have I seen a story about Obama's influence-peddling pal from Chicago, Tony Rezko, on the front page. Nor have I seen much on the front page about Obama's linguistic sleight of hand with NAFTA and the Canadians.

Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? I do not think so. Journalism is important to me. It is my profession. And I agree with Shorenstein: "Our democracy depends upon the Fourth Estate (journalism) to fulfill the uniquely critical role of informing voters about the important issues facing our nation - yet far too often, the campaign coverage has been biased, blase, or baseless."

With its coverage of the Clinton-Obama campaign, the Fourth Estate has failed miserably.

[Last modified March 8, 2008, 01:38:58]

 

[Planogirl]

And this post is why I will never debate here on the DIS with any Obama supporter anymore.
Nothing but lies, distortions, and absolute name calling, and citing delusional occurences that never happened.

The ignore feature can work wonders when someone gets to you that badly. I know it's a copout but sometimes it really helps.

 

["Got Disney"]

It seems like there's more Obama supporters on this thread than Hillary supporters. Is it just me?

With Wyoming out of the way, now we'll look forward to PA. Makes me proud to be a Hillary supporter. Some of those Obama supporters can get quite agressive by coming on here and being offensive.

They are very much rude and loose controll easy .....I say if they cantstandthe heat than stay out of the Hillary kitchen...

Hey I just found this thread and want to join the fun! I'm a Hillary supporter and I am running to be a delegate to the National Convention... is anyone else going to Denver?

Same here we dont do our delegate caucaus till next month. So I have sent in my application and checked and I am on the list for my Congressional district.


First of all I have never said that this thread is off limits to whom I choose....what I said/asked was to please come in here and not stir the pot...as you are trying to do and make trouble. But some people have no respect for others so they will come and ast like "TROLLS" anyway.

And this post is why I will never debate here on the DIS with any Obama supporter anymore.
Nothing but lies, distortions, and absolute name calling, and citing delusional occurences that never happened.

That is a fact that I will 100% agree with

I will from know on just pass by a Obama poster and not bother reading it and move on to the Hillary posters...so I refuse to debate/arrgue with the Obama supporters because they want a fight.

 

[punkin]

Media tainted by anti-Clinton bias

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/09/Opinion/Media_tainted_by_anti.shtml

There's a NY Times article that states that they were not biased and cite examples. As a matter of fact I agree with them. I found the Times coverage of both candidates to be fairly even handed. It is a serious news source.

 

[Planogirl]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23695075]I will from know on just pass by a Obama poster and not bother reading it and move on to the Hillary posters...so I refuse to debate/arrgue with the Obama supporters because they want a fight. [/QUOTE]
Not all Obama supporters act like that! Most are pretty reasonable IMO.

I agree that when someone posts a rant like that though I just pretty much skip over it. I do that if either side does it though.

 

["Got Disney"]

DISCLAMIMER: THIS IS NOT THE USER ID
DISCLAIMER 2: I am really trying not to stir the pot but I tend to ramble And for GOTDISNEY, I do have the right to post what I want where I want, so you'll have to deal with that! Sorry if that is rude but all this crap about



.

First of all I have never said that this thread is off limits to whom I choose....what I said/asked was to please come in here and not stir the pot...as you are trying to do and make trouble. But some people have no respect for others so they will come and ast like "TROLLS" anyway.

 

["Got Disney"]

Not all Obama supporters act like that! Most are pretty reasonable IMO.

I agree that when someone posts a rant like that though I just pretty much skip over it. I do that if either side does it though.

WEll the ones that I am refering to are the ones that come here......and act like trolls. That is why I will pass over there posts because of the ones that want trouble and not just to come in here and to have a reasonable debate.

I stay out of the Obama thread so not to get in there face and not to read what may make me upset. So I will not post in there because after all I cant change there minds on Obama and would never try.

That poster that was using her daughters name is the type of poster that is a TROLL...to make trouble and nothing else. Does not even care if she/he gets points or ansything for whayt he/she says...so that poster has no respect for anyone....I do not attribute her post as a Obama supporter but a Offensive person that just so happens to be a Obama supporter. The other posters have been rude but not like that.

 

[Planogirl]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23695325]WEll the ones that I am refering to are the ones that come here......and act like trolls. That is why I will pass over there posts because of the ones that want trouble and not just to come in here and to have a reasonable debate.
[/QUOTE]
That's why I brought up the ignore feature. It works wonders sometimes.

 

[Hound 109]

And this post is why I will never debate here on the DIS with any Obama supporter anymore.
Nothing but lies, distortions, and absolute name calling, and citing delusional occurences that never happened.

DisUnc, it looks like the lady(or man) who posted was using a daughters log in. Typical college or HS kid. But want to know the irony?

- Her cat's name was "Socks".
- She's an "outside hitter" on the RIGHT side.

No wonder the parent is so flustered.


I guess the BO supporters are so frustrated because they thought (& were essentially told by the media) that this was over 2 weeks ago.

The fact that logically it wasn't (& isn't) doesn't matter. They had (in their mind) tasted victory & now many of them are emotionally fried.

As PlanoGirl said, I think most are OK & have been around the block, but for many i think this is their first Rodeo & even logic is treated as "an attack" on St. Obama.

Odd, because i personally think BO is maturing well through this, better than many of his emotional supporters. (But he's still "not ready for prime time".)

 

[Planogirl]

Obama is doing a great job so far! I have no problems with his campaign whatsoever. I can't say the same for SOME of his supporters though.