Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[wvrevy]

I heard an interesting take on the Florida situation on the Randi Rhodes show this afternoon. Not only is Florida's legislature overwhelmingly Republican, but Florida's governor is Republican too. Florida's Republican led legislature decided to move the primary date forward. It was tied to adding a paper trail to the electronic voting machines and the Democrats felt they needed to vote for the bill which included both. Any attempts to change the date back to a February date were voted down by the Republicans. I that the Republicans were well aware of what might happen if they moved the Democratic primary ahead and the Democrats really had no choice.

Personally, I want a re-do for both states and that the DNC review the whole primary process.

I hadn't heard that, but seeing as how it came from the Republicans, it wouldn't exactly surprise me. I agree with your comment...I wish they'd just find a friggin' solution that is fair to all parties involved.

I have said repeatedly that I will vote for him if he gets the nomination. Something really horrible would have to come out about him to make me turn to the Republican ticket. And even then I'd have to think really hard.

*snip*

Having said that, some of the comments from some of Obama's followers have made me feel like I may have to hold my nose if I have to cast that vote. Not because of Obama himself, but the way his people have talked to me. I have the right to make my choice and I'm not stupid. It's a whole new level of mudslinging and that's just my honest opinion. I'm sick of the "we need to pull our party together" when what many of them really mean is Hillary's people need to roll over and play dead. I can just hear the roars of protest if we suggested the same thing. It's felt very one-sided and I'm tired of it. I can't help but think a lot of it is sexism.

Would it be ok if I just addressed these two comments? First, a lot of us on the Obama side said from the beginning that we would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee. And yes, that means me as well. If you go over and look at the Liberal thread, you'll see my comments there from the very beginning about how lucky we were to have two great candidates. That said, a lot of us have been turned off by what we perceive to be her negative campaign tactics (I don't want to argue here whether they were or not...I'm just saying that is the way we perceive them. I'm happy to have that discussion, but this isn't the place).

As to the second comment...Go back and count on this thread how many times the term "kool aid" has been used in reference not to the candidate, but to us, his supporters. Go back and read how many insults are thrown out at Obama supporters, then go over and read the Obama thread and see how often we make comments not about the candidate, but about you, her supporters. I guarantee you won't find many, if any, on that thread.

Yes, there will be some hard feelings to mend - on both sides - regardless of who the candidate is. There is no doubt of that. But I honestly take offense at the notion that it is all on us. We can only be called mindless cult members so many times before we get worked up enough to respond.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23637922]Yes there has been and will be... but when you look into the other threads with Obama supporters it is like 4 to 1. it is all the Hillary hate...and I mean hate like a bunch of people in a small town that are running to get there guns and swords and kill the troll....[/QUOTE]

That is no more true than Charade's statement on the Liberal thread that the liberals are more negative toward the other side than the cons are.


Oh and about Hillary hate - how are your friends on the Con thread treating her now?

 

[NewJersey]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23637922]As a Hillary supporter I would not dare post in the Obama thread as for to have someone say "It's a Hillary supporter so Off with her head" ....

[/QUOTE]

Okay I have to respond to this - has anyone reacted that way to a Hillary supporter posting in the Obama thread? No, so why do you think we would make an exception to you? It seems that you have an awfully big problem with Obama supporters, as was noted many times in the Liberal thread postings from you attacking Obama supporters. As long as you don't come into the Obama thread and bash Obama or his supporters, you will be treated with the same respect we have shown the other Hillary supporters who have posted from time to time over there; accordingly, we hope (and have gotten) the same respect from Hillary supporters.

 

[MerryPoppins]

Look back. I never said it wasn't happening to Obama followers, too. I'm sure you've received your share. But not from me. I'm just sharing my experience. And I'm not even just talking about the DIS. I'm speaking about my life in general.

Like I've said before, my son has been an intern for Obama in Oklahoma and my teenage daughter would probably be voting for him if she could. I support that. Since the issues are similar for both candidates, I WANT to like him since he may well be my party's candidate. But I can't help what other people are doing any more than you can.

From my shoes, it feels like Obama folks are more on the offensive. That is why this thread was started in the first place. On the Liberal thread, you could say negative things about Hillary, but if we said anything perceived as negative you guys called foul. I want to be all on the same side, but it's not an even playing field.

 

["Got Disney"]

That is no more true than Charade's statement on the Liberal thread that the liberals are more negative toward the other side than the cons are.


Oh and about Hillary hate - how are your friends on the Con thread treating her now?

My conservative friends are just fine and I expect them to have a few thoughts on the matter of the Liberal candidates. Dont forget conservatives are people too and they dont bash her as many Obama supporters have

I will continue to go in there as long as they treat me okay. I get treated better there than some from this side of the farm (liberals/Obama supporters that is)

I find no pain in going there. So if that offends some but if you recal I am married 28 years to a REP and have many friends that are REP dont you????? or are most Dems limiting yourself to DEMS these days only

I have been acalled a trator for going into the CT and find that ashame but that will not stop me......I like to ask them questions...and they discuss Hillary and Obama with rational remarks as not to insult me.

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23639011]My conservative friends are just fine and I expect them to have a few thoughts on the matter of the Liberal candidates. Dont forget conservatives are people too and they dont bash her as many Obama supporters have

I will continue to go in there as long as they treat me okay. I get treated better there than some from this side of the farm (liberals/Obama supporters that is)

I find no pain in going there. So if that offends some but if you recal I am married 28 years to a REP and have many friends that are REP dont you????? or are most Dems limiting yourself to DEMS these days only

I have been acalled a trator for going into the CT and find that ashame but that will not stop me......I like to ask them questions...and they discuss Hillary and Obama with rational remarks as not to insult me.[/QUOTE]

Enjoy the blue dress jokes when you're in there.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Dean is urging a do-over in Fla and Mich now. Do you think the candidate pushing for the redo might get a bit of a bump over the candidate saying don't count their votes regardless of how they got to this point? Michigan and Florida are both in the 'big state' category so I'm guessing one of the candidates would have an edge anyway.

If I were Hillary, I'd just come out and say Either seat the delegates as is, or hold a new primary. I don't care which. If we have to come up with the money from the DNC, my campaign, and the Obama Campaign, then so be it.
But don't disenfranchise those voters. That's not what the Democratic party is about. That's not what this great nation is about. I think that would give her a humongous boost not only in Florida and Michigan, but the rest of the country as well.

I have no dog in this hunt. Once again, continuing my spotless record in Presidential elections, the guy I supported didn't last long enough for me to vote for him. Nor do I live in either Michigan or Florida. So like I said. No dog in this hunt for me.

I think we shouldn't disenfranchise those voters. Period. Howard Dean, who is 100% right on many things and in general, one of the best DNC chairs we've had, is being a moron on this issue. What have the last 8 years of fighting Republican efforts at Caging and illegal voter disenfranchisement meant if we just don't bother to count 2 states? Oh they violated the rules. How anal. Voter enfranchisement is far more important than some technical party rules. Yeah nice. Hey. We're going to lose Michigan and Florida in the general, and not only not flip some seats in both states we had a shot at, but likely lose some, but we sure taught those rule breakers a lesson didn't we?

If it means seating their delegates as is, then so be it. Nobody forced Obama to take his name off the Michigan ballot to please Iowa. He took a calculated risk. He needed a boost from everyone that was coming up before Michigan and Florida to give his campaign some cred. And so he placated those voters. And he benefited by it. He of course took the loss in Michigan. Both Obama and Clinton chose not to campaign in Florida and Obama had ads running there.

If it means having another primary at the DNC's expense then so be it. Think of how grateful those voters will be if the DNC picks up the tab. That would be far more effective than any campaign commercial they could ever hope to think of at getting votes.

I am 100% dead set against another caucus. Those ought to be eliminated completely. Does anybody doubt after Texas that a caucus does not represent the will of the people? Does anybody doubt after Washington a caucus does not represent the will of the people? Look at the total skew.
I don't care which candidate you're for, there simply isn't any doubt about that now. A caucus does not represent the will of the voters and as such, it is anti-Democratic, and anti-American

So I don't care what they do, as long as they do it. Seat the dang delegates Howard. Don't hand us this B.S. about well it's up anyone else. You're the head of the DNC. Find a way.

 

[punkin]

Howard Dean, who is 100% right on many things and in general, one of the best DNC chairs we've had, is being a moron on this issue. What have the last 8 years of fighting Republican efforts at Caging and illegal voter disenfranchisement meant if we just don't bother to count 2 states? Oh they violated the rules. How anal. Voter enfranchisement is far more important than some technical party rules.

Amen brother!!!

 

[wvrevy]

Look back. I never said it wasn't happening to Obama followers, too. I'm sure you've received your share. But not from me. I'm just sharing my experience. And I'm not even just talking about the DIS. I'm speaking about my life in general.

Like I've said before, my son has been an intern for Obama in Oklahoma and my teenage daughter would probably be voting for him if she could. I support that. Since the issues are similar for both candidates, I WANT to like him since he may well be my party's candidate. But I can't help what other people are doing any more than you can.

From my shoes, it feels like Obama folks are more on the offensive. That is why this thread was started in the first place. On the Liberal thread, you could say negative things about Hillary, but if we said anything perceived as negative you guys called foul. I want to be all on the same side, but it's not an even playing field.

You may not have, but...

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23636828]I went over to the Obama thread just because I could not help myself...I had a moment of insanity ...it was my first time and my last but just had to....man there is a lot of Kool aid drinking in there...sounds like RED BLOOD kool-aid if ya ask me
[/QUOTE]

...this kind of comment has been commonplace on this thread. There was even an "Obama Cult" thread, though I will readily admit that was started by a very conservative poster (it was heavily frequented by several people on this thread, however).

As for the liberal thread, I was one that objected to two articles that were posted about him, both of which were flat out lies. I've objected just as strenuously on this board defending Hillary Clinton from right wing smear tactics over the years. Yes, I will readily admit that I got tired of the "Obama doesn't stand for anything" stuff and said some things I shouldn't have, and for that I apologize to you and anyone else I may have inadvertantly offended. But I honestly have no problem with critique of Obama. I just want it to be on the issues, rather than dragging the candidate through the mud.

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23639011]My conservative friends are just fine and I expect them to have a few thoughts on the matter of the Liberal candidates. Dont forget conservatives are people too and they dont bash her as many Obama supporters have[/QUOTE]

Seriously...do a search on the Community Board for the words "Hillary Clinton". If you think that Obama supporters are hard on her, you really need to see what true hatred looks like.

 

[robinb]

I hadn't heard that, but seeing as how it came from the Republicans, it wouldn't exactly surprise me.

I didn't just want to mindlessly drink the Air America kool-aid, so I did Google it. Here are a couple of pro-FL delegate sites which describe what happened:

http://florida-delegates.com/
http://www.makeitcountflorida.com/page/content/makeitcount-faqs/

I do think that some Democrats supported moving the primary forward, but many more voted for it so they could get a paper trail. They probably thought they could sweet-talk the DNC since they really didn't have a say in it.

 

[wvrevy]

I didn't just want to mindlessly drink the Air America kool-aid, so I did Google it. Here are a couple of pro-FL delegate sites which describe what happened:

http://florida-delegates.com/
http://www.makeitcountflorida.com/page/content/makeitcount-faqs/

I do think that some Democrats supported moving the primary forward, but many more voted for it so they could get a paper trail. They probably thought they could sweet-talk the DNC since they really didn't have a say in it.

Can we PLEASE dispense with the Kool Aid references.

Just kiddin', Robin...Thanks for the link.

TO MERRYPOPPINS - forgot to say, a big to you for your son getting involved, regardless of which campaign he's aligned himself with. We've all got to teach our kids that national politics matters, and does have an effect on their lives.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Can we PLEASE dispense with the Kool Aid references.

I too am drinking the Kool-Aid on dispensing with the Kool-Aid references.

 

[chobie]

TO MERRYPOPPINS - forgot to say, a big to you for your son getting involved, regardless of which campaign he's aligned himself with. We've all got to teach our kids that national politics matters, and does have an effect on their lives.

I second that. My 13 year old daughter is very pro- Hillary. She knows I slightly favor Obama but I also support Hillary and will not speak ill of her to my DD.

 

[Hound 109]

If I were Hillary, I'd just come out and say Either seat the delegates as is, or hold a new primary. I don't care which. If we have to come up with the money from the DNC, my campaign, and the Obama Campaign, then so be it.
But don't disenfranchise those voters. That's not what the Democratic party is about. That's not what this great nation is about. I think that would give her a humongous boost not only in Florida and Michigan, but the rest of the country as well.

I have no dog in this hunt. Once again, continuing my spotless record in Presidential elections, the guy I supported didn't last long enough for me to vote for him. Nor do I live in either Michigan or Florida. So like I said. No dog in this hunt for me.

I think we shouldn't disenfranchise those voters. Period. Howard Dean, who is 100% right on many things and in general, one of the best DNC chairs we've had, is being a moron on this issue. What have the last 8 years of fighting Republican efforts at Caging and illegal voter disenfranchisement meant if we just don't bother to count 2 states? Oh they violated the rules. How anal. Voter enfranchisement is far more important than some technical party rules. Yeah nice. Hey. We're going to lose Michigan and Florida in the general, and not only not flip some seats in both states we had a shot at, but likely lose some, but we sure taught those rule breakers a lesson didn't we?

If it means seating their delegates as is, then so be it. Nobody forced Obama to take his name off the Michigan ballot to please Iowa. He took a calculated risk. He needed a boost from everyone that was coming up before Michigan and Florida to give his campaign some cred. And so he placated those voters. And he benefited by it. He of course took the loss in Michigan. Both Obama and Clinton chose not to campaign in Florida and Obama had ads running there.

If it means having another primary at the DNC's expense then so be it. Think of how grateful those voters will be if the DNC picks up the tab. That would be far more effective than any campaign commercial they could ever hope to think of at getting votes.

I am 100% dead set against another caucus. Those ought to be eliminated completely. Does anybody doubt after Texas that a caucus does not represent the will of the people? Does anybody doubt after Washington a caucus does not represent the will of the people? Look at the total skew.
I don't care which candidate you're for, there simply isn't any doubt about that now. A caucus does not represent the will of the voters and as such, it is anti-Democratic, and anti-American

So I don't care what they do, as long as they do it. Seat the dang delegates Howard. Don't hand us this B.S. about well it's up anyone else. You're the head of the DNC. Find a way.

I agree with every word of this.

It doesn't matter who's fault it was. (since it wasn't the voters) Seat the delegates or have the do overs.....sooner the better.

 

[wvrevy]

I too am drinking the Kool-Aid on dispensing with the Kool-Aid references.

Ok, that was just uncalled for.

I second that. My 13 year old daughter is very pro- Hillary. She knows I slightly favor Obama but I also support Hillary and will not speak ill of her to my DD.

My 7yo princess was downright offended that there had never "been a girl president." She practically cheered when she heard Hillary won Ohio the other day. I coulda strangled the little brat.

 

[robinb]

Can we PLEASE dispense with the Kool Aid references.

OK. I'll say "Crystal Light" next time.

 

[robinb]

Originally Posted by chobie
I second that. My 13 year old daughter is very pro- Hillary. She knows I slightly favor Obama but I also support Hillary and will not speak ill of her to my DD.

My 7yo princess was downright offended that there had never "been a girl president." She practically cheered when she heard Hillary won Ohio the other day. I coulda strangled the little brat.

This is really funny. MY 8-year old DD wanted me to vote for Obama! I brought her to both rallies here in Madison, so I asked her why. She said it was because Barack's speech was shorter .

 

["Got Disney"]

You may not have, but...

Seriously...do a search on the Community Board for the words "Hillary Clinton". If you think that Obama supporters are hard on her, you really need to see what true hatred looks like.

I was talking about bashing me about Hillary when i am in there, they have never done that to me in the Conservative thread . I know they don't like Hillary or Obama and I expect them to state that in there to each other and they have....

They have also come in here and have been fine. Our battles seem to be with each other...Obama supporters and Hillary supporters they dint have to say anything about us DEMS and our candidates we are doing it for them and they find it quite humorous.

I just want it to all go one way or the other so we can move on. But we Hillary supporters do get upset when all the Obama supporters say that she should just throw in the towel after all she is going to loose anyway...or tear apart the party trying.

You don't know that ..I don't know that and no one can say what is around the corner. There are still states left to go neither will make the Delegate count and it will come down to the SD either way...that is a fact so it needs to be faced that and lets get on with it....

The main thing is that we have a DEM in office even if the Hillary supporters need to hold there nose when pulling down the lever for Obama or the Obama supporters having to hold their noses when pulling the lever for Hillary...

That is a fact!!!!!!

 

[chobie]

I'm willing to bet that come November after months of nasty attack ads coming from the cons, no Democrat wil be holding their nose to vote for the Democractic nominee.

 

["Got Disney"]

I'm willing to bet that come November after months of nasty attack ads coming from the cons, no Democrat wil be holding their nose to vote for the Democractic nominee.

Only time will tell because McCain keeps saying he is going to play nice.....but cant see him doing that for some reason. I hope you are right and he turns off the Clinton and Obama supporters that will vote for him instead of the one or other DEM candidates that they say they despise....

I am sure that Obama and Hillary will ralley behind each other and bring the party back to one instead of a split as it is now....and by split I dont think the party is split in the way they keep saying is damaging...just split between candidtaes till a choice is made.