Duckfan-in-Chicago
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1) Well...I think you're spinning it a little to favor Hill (her camp doesn't want a revote, they want the first vote to count), but I'll agree that Barack's camp is wrong on this if they try to fight a "re-vote" in Florida or Michigan.
2) There is such a thing in politics as "incumbent advantage". It's something that the most well-known candidates always enjoy, and Hillary is possibly the best known female Democrat of the last 50 years. With no campaigning allowed, NOBODY is going to beat someone with that kind of name recognition. It's just the way it works. As for Ohio...he cut a 20+ point lead in the polls down to a virtual tie before....you know, I better not get into that or we'll just end up fighting again.
3) I actually wouldn't have a problem with the DNC donating at least part of the funds, and would even donate a bit myself to assist with that (although what they could do with my hundred bucks is an open question). Ultimately, it was the fault of the state parties for screwing things up, but the DNC needs to do some damage control, and helping to fund it would go a long way towards winning back anybody turned off by the seeming lack of concern about their votes within the party.
1) I've actually heard both from her camp-give her the delegates now or do over. I think it's unreasonable to expect them to just give her all of Mich. I said I understand why she's taking the position she's taking, and we both agree the way it's going it's a losing position on Obama's side to try to fight it too long.
2) Yeah, he cut into a 20 point lead with a flyer that had the word 'boon' that she never used, she started talking about a memo that did exist and a meeting that did take place between one of his people and Canada which he denied at first then admitted to, then said it wasn't about not changing NAFTA, and the lead was close to 15 points at the end of the day. But she went negative. The 'boon' word that she never used was just a printer error I guess. I'd also think maybe the fact that he's said in interviews one of the reasons he'd make a great president is he's so calm and doesn't get rattled, but he looked pretty rattled when they wanted to ask him more than 8 questions Monday night.
As far as an 'incumbent advantage', I'd like to think it's a big state advantage that he hasn't seemed to be able to break no matter how far along or at what point in the campaign we're at.
3)I'm amazed it was allowed to get to this point. It's one of those things where there are so many people at fault, but who isn't at fault (other than helping to elect these people-but who knew this would happen?) are the 1.7 million that wanted to vote in Florida and the people who wanted to vote in Michigan.