Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[Laugh O. Grams]

I would like to mark this day on the calendar - I agree with Dawn.

Truth of the matter is, when the candidates get too wonkish, the voters simply glaze over. Look at what happened to Gore. He was a very capable candidate, running on 8 years of peace and prosperity, but when the man started talking about his policy ideas and his plans for America, all we heard from the voting public was "BOOOOR-ing!!". Instead we voted in a guy who everyone would simply love to have a beer with.

I think that Obama's tapped into both styles, by bringing both ideas (which are very similar to Hillary's) and the cheerleading "keep it simple, stupid" aspect of that of our current CIC. If you want to learn Obama's ideas for the country, you can hear about it in the debates and on his website, but you're not going to inspire the voters by reciting a laundry list of things you plan on doing. I love Hillary dearly, but cheerleading is just not something that she's comfortable doing, and unfortunately in this day and age, it's tough to get elected unless you can fire up the troops.

 

["Got Disney"]

Child care was not a problem, kids are invited to come but who really wants to bring a handful of kids to sit for sometimes hours??? I did bring my 8 yrs old but it was a zoo that I wish I didn't bring him.

Nope, there are NO absentee voting! You MUST be at the causcuse to vote. If you can't be there --- Tough Luck!
Another thing I had a problem with was when you signed in there was NO checking ID or anything. You just signed your name on a blank piece of paper. I could have been Joe Blow and no one would questioned it.

I have to agree with you! I am from Minnesota where we had a Caucuse on Super Tuesday. It was my first caucuse and I hated it. It was SOOOO disorganzied and yep you wrote who you wish to see on the general election on a piece of paper and in our town we threw it in a waste paper basket!!!!
To be counted up later by 3 different people.

Now luckily in my state you do not have to stay the whole time, you can just vote and go BUT you could not vote until 7:00pm. I know some people could not do that time because of other activities. Voting stops at 8:00pm.

I don't think caucuses give a real feel as to opinions in the state. I would much rather of had a primary where one could go in and vote throughout the day.
I would be very happy to see them do away with caucuses. JMO

Wow din not realize how disorganized they were...show silly is that.

I don't hate Hillary, let me just start with that. I do think she can come off as less trustworthy, less honest. She does come with baggage, for good or ill, thanks to her husband. Some will vote for her because of Bill, and some will vote against her because of him. Some see her as a "Slick Hillary" and don't like it, some think she may not have been truthful during the whole Monica scandal. These are issues that would be brought up in a general election if she got the nomination.

Having a candidate like Barack Obama with less of a record to criticize seems like a good thing to some Democrats considering what we'll face this fall. It does make Obama seem like more of an unknown entity, of course. Hillary has the name recognition, more experience, etc. So it's a tough choice, especially considering how the Clinton platform and the Obama platform are so similar.

As for Hillary not being trustworthy with Bill and Monica ...that should be Bills cross to bear not her's....some don't like that she stayed with him after that.

As for the other yes I agree....Obama has less baggage and that is also due to less experiance.

either way It is going to be a hard hard jog for who ever gets in,. We are in such a mess and it will take longer than 4 years to get what they both want to do.

I wish that we could bet that dream team...with her experience and his charm and hope they could together accomplish much

 

[jacksonsmom]

And that's another problem with the caucus - its manipulated by opinion! You are sometimes forced to change your vote!

I agree. I didn't stay as it was so disorganized but after the general election discussion/voting they were going to discuss who to put as our Democrat Sentor on the ticket in November.

I just didn't like the feel of the caucus. So many loop holes to where your vote really doesn't count.

I honestly don't think I would go on another caucus.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23155967]

As for Hillary not being trustworthy with Bill and Monica ...that should be Bills cross to bear not her's....some don't like that she stayed with him after that.

As for the other yes I agree....Obama has less baggage and that is also due to less experiance.

either way It is going to be a hard hard jog for who ever gets in,. We are in such a mess and it will take longer than 4 years to get what they both want to do.

I wish that we could bet that dream team...with her experience and his charm and hope they could together accomplish much[/QUOTE]But HC has been in the public eye watched by people who hate her for 16 years. There are no skeletons in her closet. There isn't going to be any shocking revelations. The papers here still ask Obama every once in a while what exactly is his relationship with Rezko. The guy is on trial and nobody knows where exactly that's going to lead, but it could be going on during the whole campaign.

 

[Laura]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23155967]
As for Hillary not being trustworthy with Bill and Monica ...that should be Bills cross to bear not her's....some don't like that she stayed with him after that.
[/QUOTE]

Monica should definitely stay Bill's problem, and I wouldn't like it if it were brought up in the campaign. But some do think that she was okay with his philandering because she didn't divorce him.

 

[BelleBoo&AmisMum]

Ok, this is going to get long, I'm still riled up from the caucus on Saturday. You've all been warned!

I went in uncommitted, I haven't been overly enthusiastic one way or the other. I didn't know much about Obama aside from the speeches I've seen and I like Hillary but had some questions about her ability to bring the party together.

I live in a small town in a historically republican district, we got to the school a half hour early, it looked like Obama central, he was the only person represented. The other three people at my table were for Hillary. A half hour and 450 people later the gym was packed. Our precinct had 57 people, 39 Obama, 16 Clinton, 2 uncommitted.

Then the floor opened up and all hell broke loose. I was really disappointed in the way people were handling things. Yes, we all agreed that we want to take back the WH. But when people started yelling, yes, yelling that the only way to take back the WH was with the hope and change that only Obama could bring they lost me. They were asked, by several people, what policies - what changes Obama could/would bring and they couldn't answer it. It was all about hope and change. I like hope and change as much as the next tree hugging liberal, but seriously can we get down to the issues here!? None of them could give his stance on any of the issues, they just got louder and louder about hope and change.

The point that pushed me over the edge into the Hillary camp was the woman that got up and told me that I needed to be quiet and let her daughter talk because her daughter was "young" and this was about the "young people" now. Our caucus defined "young" as 18-35. I quickly put this woman in her place by letting her know that her daughters opinion was not any more important than mine, furthermore, I'm only three years older than her daughter with three children. I don't have just myself to look out for, I have their futures to protect. And there were more people just like her, I was so peeved!

In the end, I not only voted for Hillary, I'm a delegate for our county convention.

 

[DISUNC]

Ok, this is going to get long, I'm still riled up from the caucus on Saturday. You've all been warned!

I went in uncommitted, I haven't been overly enthusiastic one way or the other. I didn't know much about Obama aside from the speeches I've seen and I like Hillary but had some questions about her ability to bring the party together.

I live in a small town in a historically republican district, we got to the school a half hour early, it looked like Obama central, he was the only person represented. The other three people at my table were for Hillary. A half hour and 450 people later the gym was packed. Our precinct had 57 people, 39 Obama, 16 Clinton, 2 uncommitted. Then the floor opened up and all hell broke loose. I was really disappointed in the way people were handling things. Yes, we all agreed that we want to take back the WH. But when people started yelling, yes, yelling that the only way to take back the WH was with the hope and change that only Obama could bring they lost me. They were asked, by several people, what policies - what changes Obama could/would bring and they couldn't answer it. It was all about hope and change. I like hope and change as much as the next tree hugging liberal, but seriously can we get down to the issues here!? None of them could give his stance on any of the issues, they just got louder and louder about hope and change.

The point that pushed me over the edge into the Hillary camp was the woman that got up and told me that I needed to be quiet and let her daughter talk because her daughter was "young" and this was about the "young people" now. Our caucus defined "young" as 18-35. I quickly put this woman in her place by letting her know that her daughters opinion was not any more important than mine, furthermore, I'm only three years older than her daughter with three children. I don't have just myself to look out for, I have their futures to protect. And there were more people just like her, I was so peeved!

In the end, I not only voted for Hillary, I'm a delegate for our county convention.

Congatulations...AND PASS THE TYLENOL!

 

["Got Disney"]

Obama is not the one that is annoying me...it is his supporters.....and I need to keep that in mind.

To many of the collage students and many of his supporters have no idea bout his issues. They even had a poll on CNN last night and they asked Obama supporters..

First who is voting of Obama.who is voting for Hillary

next question was Why...with Hillary it was her issues with Obama it was Hope and uniting the US together...next he asked what do you like about Hillary....the Hillary supporters said again her issues and that she has experience...Why they don't...she is to polarizing (they could not name anything bad except that)

When asked about Obama supporters they said because he brings hope and unity and freshness to the candidacy...they than asked can you name some accomplishments that either candidate has brought in there years..

Hillary supporters named many but Obamas could not say anything except that he is the first Black man to get into office and that he is only black in the senate...others shrugged there shoulders and said pass, it was very interesting to see and it was left to

Well guess the likability goes to Obama and the experience goes to Hillary

But that is what I am hearing on and on. I sure hope that Obamas supporters don't get to wrapped up in his movement. they say it is about unity yet many will not vote for Hillary so they say....what kind of unity is that than. Unity is only important is Obama gets in but not important if Hillary does....

Still trying to figure all that out....

 

[BelleBoo&AmisMum]

Congatulations...AND PASS THE TYLENOL!

Out of tylenol, moved on to vicodin.

sinus infection + migraine = not happy mommy

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23157175]Obama is not the one that is annoying me...it is his supporters.....and I need to keep that in mind.

To many of the collage students and many of his supporters have no idea bout his issues. They even had a poll on CNN last night and they asked Obama supporters..

First who is voting of Obama.who is voting for Hillary

next question was Why...with Hillary it was her issues with Obama it was Hope and uniting the US together...next he asked what do you like about Hillary....the Hillary supporters said again her issues and that she has experience...Why they don't...she is to polarizing (they could not name anything bad except that)

When asked about Obama supporters they said because he brings hope and unity and freshness to the candidacy...they than asked can you name some accomplishments that either candidate has brought in there years..

Hillary supporters named many but Obamas could not say anything except that he is the first Black man to get into office and that he is only black in the senate...others shrugged there shoulders and said pass, it was very interesting to see and it was left to

Well guess the likability goes to Obama and the experience goes to Hillary

But that is what I am hearing on and on. I sure hope that Obamas supporters don't get to wrapped up in his movement. they say it is about unity yet many will not vote for Hillary so they say....what kind of unity is that than. Unity is only important is Obama gets in but not important if Hillary does....

Still trying to figure all that out....[/QUOTE]

I saw some college guy saying he was hoping for someone socially liberal, and that's why he was voting for Ron Paul.

 

[KikiFan]

As close as this race is I think the most logical solution for Hillary's VP would be Obama. But I think that Wes Clark would be another great one. I think he would offset a lot of the people who are afraid to vote for a "girl". Plus country is going to be dealing with military issues for a while and Clark would be a strong experienced voice in that area. And if I'm not mistaken Clark was one of the early voices coming out against attacking Iraq - so he holds a lot of credibility with that

 

["Got Disney"]

I saw some college guy saying he was hoping for someone socially liberal, and that's why he was voting for Ron Paul.

why is Ron Paul stil hanging in there....just because he can I guess.

Scary to think about having a Rep back in office again...DH and I were talking last night and we were talking how different the views are on how Dems think and vote and How Rep think and vote....we are soooo far apart on the issues.

I have always agreed that the party split is silly yet when you look at the differences it is so there.

I think that a Independent candidate will be able to bring us Dems and Rep together better that a far left or far right candidate.

 

[wvrevy]

Gee, rather than calling all Obama supporters stupid, maybe you might consider the fact the "her issues' are also "his issues" ? There is very little difference between the two when it comes to the big picture. The little difference is just in the details, so why would Obama supporters crow about his issues when they are pretty much the same as hers? Why wouldn't they talk about the things that separate him from her, like personality, likeability, the lack of negatives, etc.?

 

["Got Disney"]

Gee, rather than calling all Obama supporters stupid, maybe you might consider the fact the "her issues' are also "his issues" ? There is very little difference between the two when it comes to the big picture. The little difference is just in the details, so why would Obama supporters crow about his issues when they are pretty much the same as hers? Why wouldn't they talk about the things that separate him from her, like personality, likeability, the lack of negatives, etc.?

It has turned into a likability contest and I think alot of that also for some that understand the issues see not much difference where the candidates stand on them except a few like healthcare.

I can honestly say that if I was an African American I would be drawn to Obama also. I have many black friends that are voting for Obama and they want there due after so many years of injustice. I would be more concerned with that if his issues were terrible...but there not so I kinda ignore that.

It is alot of the young voters that concern me and have not a clue on what is going on and are caught up in the hoopla....

 

[Fitswimmer]

[quote="Got Disney";23157930]It has turned into a likability contest and I think alot of that also for some that understand the issues see not much difference where the candidates stand on them except a few like healthcare.

I can honestly say that if I was an African American I would be drawn to Obama also. I have many black friends that are voting for Obama and they want there due after so many years of injustice. I would be more concerned with that if his issues were terrible...but there not so I kinda ignore that.

It is alot of the young voters that concern me and have not a clue on what is going on and are caught up in the hoopla....[/quote]

umm...sweeping generalities much???

DN (21) saw Obama speak in Akron, went out and bought his two books, looked him up on the internet and then decided to volunteer for him because she believes he will be the best President. She knows his issues very well, thank you-actually much better than I do.

you know...I'll freely acknowledge that there has been a fair amount of Hillary bashing going on here-but most of it has been about her, not about her followers. OTOH, Obama's followers have been called cultists, ignorant of the issues, and voters who are choosing only based on race.

 

[kinntj]

Hillary supporter checking in! I will vote for whomever the Dem nom is and I'm glad we have such great candidates. I'm not one to get excited over the hoopla going on. I don't like when Hillary gets bashed, so it's nice to come on this thread and have something in common with others.

I just hope she can pull through with the 3 states coming up. I have to go get my DD from the bus stop, so I will come back later and discuss.

Oh, thanks to WVREVY for the Obama link. I plan on looking at that later.

 

["Got Disney"]

umm...sweeping generalities much???

DN (21) saw Obama speak in Akron, went out and bought his two books, looked him up on the internet and then decided to volunteer for him because she believes he will be the best President. She knows his issues very well, thank you-actually much better than I do.

you know...I'll freely acknowledge that there has been a fair amount of Hillary bashing going on here-but most of it has been about her, not about her followers. OTOH, Obama's followers have been called cultists, ignorant of the issues, and voters who are choosing only based on race.

Im following you

Sorry just stating what has been said and I am not saying all young voters for sure that is not true. But they did a poll here in out 2 collages and the answers that were given about the candidates were disturbing..

I posted back a few days or so ago. They said they did not know much on the issues on both candidates and due to so much school and working they had no time and so as they discussed it among each other and they even admitted not knowing so much about the issues...but they liked what everyone was saying about Obama and his HOPE for change...

That is what I am referring to and also many that even shown in polls on TV could not answer.

Your daughter is smart to read his book and pay attention to what is going on...my 14 y.o is the same. I have gone over the issues with him on both sides and he has watched both Dems and Rep debates...he likes to listen to Obama speak.....

And I must add since he stopped talking as if he were preaching I like to listen to him know also and believe that his truth for Hope and change is there.....

 

["Got Disney"]

Here is the Hub Bub for today...Press realease...
2/12/2008
Morning HUBdate: Ohio and Texas



New Ad: The campaign will soon unveil a new ad in Ohio and Texas. Stay tuned.
On Tap: Today, voters in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C. head to the polls... Tonight, Hillary will hold a "Solutions for America" rally in El Paso, Texas... Tomorrow, Hillary will campaign in McAllen, Robstown and San Antonio, Texas...On Thursday and Friday, Hillary will campaign in Ohio.
Big Endorsement: In Ohio, former Senator John Glenn will today endorse Hillary at a press conference with Governor Ted Strickland in Columbus.
Donating to Hillary: Supporters continue to contribute online in significant numbers..."My husband has been out of a job for 6 months but he insisted that I send Hillary a donation. It was only $25 but it comes from our hearts."..."This is my first ever political contribution in the 40 years that I've been following politics. I will be making additional contributions at regular intervals to make sure my daughter grows up knowing it will be possible for her to become President."... "I am a poor graduate student and I just made my third $25 contribution after taking a good, long look at my checking account... I also will try to make phone calls over the weekend."
Winning in November: Hillary is the Democrat to beat Sen. John McCain. Hillary has withstood Republican attacks, has the strength and experience to win on national security and has built a strong coalition of women and Latino voters. These two groups made the difference in 2004, swinging the election from Sen. John Kerry to President George Bush. Read more.
Students for Hillary: Yesterday, hours before Hillary spoke at Dr. Larry Sabato's class at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, students stood outside, "shivering in the cold, waving signs, clapping and chanting, 'H, I! H, I, L! H, I, L, L, A, R, Y! Hillary!' (Clap, clap, clap.) 'Our nominee!'" During her address, "students gave her a standing ovation, cheering and snapping photos with cell phones, and then the whole auditorium swayed, arms around each other."
Save the Date: On Thursday, February 21 at 7 p.m. CST, Hillary and Sen. Obama will debate in Austin, Texas. Univision, CNN and the Texas Democratic Party will co-host the debate. Sen. Obama refused to debate Hillary in Wisconsin, Washington, D.C., and Maine.
Green Jobs: In White Marsh, Maryland, Hillary yesterday toured a GM Allison Transmission Plant and detailed her plan to create 5 million good-paying, "green-collar" jobs by investing in energy efficiency and renewable energy. Read more.
FactCheck:In Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, D.C., Sen. Obama is running a radio ad that claims his health care plan provides "universal coverage." Independent health care experts agree Sen. Obama’s plan is not universal and would leave 15 million people uninsured. Get the facts.

 

["Got Disney"]

this is an e-mail that just came to me....


Dear Friend,

I will never, ever forget how you were there for me when I needed you the most. When you learned that my campaign needed your help, you didn't hesitate. And the overwhelming generosity that you showed in the past week is like nothing I have ever seen.

As the race for the nomination continues, I hope you'll remember that you have made this campaign your campaign. Our victories are your victories. I know that you are standing with me and that I can rely on you for help. And with your support, I know we'll win.

I wanted to share some of the kind words and stories you've shared with me over the past week, along with some of my favorite recent moments from the campaign trail. Take a look at the album on my website here:

http:/www.hillaryclinton.com/thankyou

Again, thank you so much for all you have done. My heart is truly full.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

 

[majimikate]

I'm just checking back in from this morning...I was quoted by Fitswimmer, and bolded for a few of the things I wrote and I would like to clarify.

I do feel that Obama has limited experience, I'll clarify that to add, on the national political stage. I don't think that being concerned about a candidate's experience is a negative thing, it's part of the open discussion that should go on during a campaign.

I will have a hard time pulling that lever if it comes down to Obama as the nominee, BUT...I didn't say that I would not do it. I think it is critical to put a Democrat back in the WH, and I think that Hillary is the better candidate to repair much of the damage done during the past 7 years.

I hope that all Dems come together behind whomever the nominee is. I also hope that there is reasoned open discussion within the party as to each of their strengths and weaknesses. And I hope that that discussion can happen without anyone who questions Obama's experience or plans getting hung out to dry for supposed "in fighting" within the party. Hillary is so often criticized that I often think she is the most vetted Presidential candidate we've ever had...but Obama has not been vetted in that same way. I think many of us Hillary supporters are just asking the questions of his candidacy that we feel that Hillary has already been asked, and answered ...

So, no flames please, just my opinion based on what I see and read here on the boards...

Go Hillary

Chris