Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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The media is terrible. I was watching the news and they were talking about the new article/picture of Obama with the garb on and they were interviewing Dick Morris that use to be a Clinton Adviser that hates her and they used him and all he did was put down Hillary something fierce and compliment to know end about Obama....

He kept saying that he knew she was the one that planted that picture and when he was asked how do you know that ? he said...well I don't know but I know.....:confused3

I am glad that all this is starting to be recognized but it seems a little to late at this point.

I think Obamas momentum has taken hold and so many Hillary supporters and undecided are left in fear that if they don't vote Obama than we will have McCain so in there eyes they will vote for Obama....

That is a shame. I wonder if she will run again in 4 years????? if she misses the nod this time around.
 
Well, that's what I said earlier. I Hillary can pull out Ohio and PA, as well as make a good showing in Texas, I think she is still in good shape. It is still anyone's race.

I thought originally she'd have to win TX and OH - to go forward to PA - but TX is just so darn weird - a caucus and a primary? I need to find the justification for that!

Not that TX will turn "blue" in the general any way........

I'd like to see her win TX - even if its not by a landslide - just as the principle of the thing!
 

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Super Delegates Discussed - by Geraldine Ferraro

I remember being so proud voting for her and Mondale........

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&ref=opinion

Got a Problem? Ask the Super

By GERALDINE A. FERRARO
Published: February 25, 2008

AS the race for the Democratic presidential nomination nears its end and attention turns to the role of so-called superdelegates in choosing the nominee, it is instructive to look at why my party created this class of delegates.

After the 1980 presidential election, the Democratic Party was in disarray. That year, Senator Ted Kennedy had challenged President Jimmy Carter for the presidential nomination, and Mr. Kennedy took the fight to the convention floor by proposing 23 amendments to the party platform. When it was all over, members of Congress who were concerned about their re-election walked away from the president and from the party. The rest of the campaign was plagued by infighting.

In 1982, we tried to remedy some of the party’s internal problems by creating the Hunt Commission, which reformed the way the party selects its presidential nominees. Because I was then the vice chairwoman of the House Democratic Caucus, Tip O’Neill, the speaker of the House, appointed me as his representative to the commission. The commission considered several reforms, but one of the most significant was the creation of superdelegates, the reform in which I was most involved.

Democrats had to figure out a way to unify our party. What better way, we reasoned, than to get elected officials involved in writing the platform, sitting on the credentials committee and helping to write the rules that the party would play by?

Most officeholders, however, were reluctant to run as delegates in a primary election — running against a constituent who really wants to be a delegate to the party’s national convention is not exactly good politics.

So we created superdelegates and gave that designation to every Democratic member of Congress. Today the 796 superdelegates also include Democratic governors, former presidents and vice presidents, and members of the Democratic National Committee and former heads of the national committee.

These superdelegates, we reasoned, are the party’s leaders. They are the ones who can bring together the most liberal members of our party with the most conservative and reach accommodation. They would help write the platform. They would determine if a delegate should be seated. They would help determine the rules. And having done so, they would have no excuse to walk away from the party or its presidential nominee.

It worked. In 1984 I headed the party’s platform committee. We produced the longest platform in Democratic history, a document that stated the party’s principles in broad terms that neither the most liberal nor the most conservative elected officials would denounce. It generated no fights at the convention. It was a document that no one would walk away from. We lost in 1984, big time. But that loss had nothing to do with Democratic Party infighting.

Today, with the possibility that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will end up with about the same number of delegates after all 50 states have held their primaries and caucuses, the pundits and many others are saying that superdelegates should not decide who the nominee will be. That decision, they say, should rest with the rank-and-file Democrats who went to the polls and voted.

But the superdelegates were created to lead, not to follow. They were, and are, expected to determine what is best for our party and best for the country. I would hope that is why many superdelegates have already chosen a candidate to support.

Besides, the delegate totals from primaries and caucuses do not necessarily reflect the will of rank-and-file Democrats. Most Democrats have not been heard from at the polls. We have all been impressed by the turnout for this year’s primaries — clearly both candidates have excited and engaged the party’s membership — but, even so, turnout for primaries and caucuses is notoriously low. It would be shocking if 30 percent of registered Democrats have participated.

If that is the case, we could end up with a nominee who has been actively supported by, at most, 15 percent of registered Democrats. That’s hardly a grassroots mandate.

More important, although many states like New York have closed primaries in which only enrolled Democrats are allowed to vote, in many other states Republicans and independents can make the difference by voting in Democratic primaries or caucuses.

In the Democratic primary in South Carolina, tens of thousands of Republicans and independents no doubt voted, many of them for Mr. Obama. The same rules prevail at the Iowa caucuses, in which Mr. Obama also triumphed.

He won his delegates fair and square, but those delegates represent the wishes not only of grassroots Democrats, but also Republicans and independents. If rank-and-file Democrats should decide who the party’s nominee is, each state should pass a rule allowing only people who have been registered in the Democratic Party for a given time — not nonmembers or day-of registrants — to vote for the party’s nominee.

Perhaps because I have endorsed Mrs. Clinton, I have noticed that most of the people complaining about the influence of the superdelegates are supporters of Mr. Obama. I can’t help thinking that their problem with the superdelegates may not be that they’re “unrepresentative,” but rather that they are perceived as disproportionately likely to support Mrs. Clinton.

And I am watching, with great disappointment, people whom I respect in the Congress who endorsed Hillary Clinton — I assume because she was the leader they felt could best represent the party and lead the country — now switching to Barack Obama with the excuse that their constituents have spoken.

I may be a cynic, but I’m a fairly knowledgeable political cynic. If Mr. Obama wins the nomination, those members are undoubtedly concerned that they would be inviting a primary challenge in their next re-election campaign by failing to support his candidacy.

But if they are actually upset over the diminished clout of rank-and-file Democrats in the presidential nominating process, then I would love to see them agitating to force the party to seat the delegates elected by the voters in Florida and Michigan. In those two states, the votes of thousands of rank-and-file party members will not be counted because their states voted on dates earlier than those authorized by the national party.

Because both states went strongly for Mrs. Clinton, standing up for the voices of grassroots Democrats in Florida and Michigan would prove the integrity of the superdelegate-bashers. The people of those states surely don’t deserve to be disenfranchised simply because the leaders of their state parties brought them to the polls on a day that had not been endorsed by the leaders of our national party — a slight the voters might not easily forget in November.

As it happens, the superdelegates themselves can solve this problem. At this summer’s Democratic national convention in Denver, the superdelegates could assert their leadership on the credentials and rules committees. That is, after all, one of the reasons they were created in the first place in 1982.
 
I hang on the no support thread and this was there it is not ment as bashing it just made me laugh caus it looks so funny...

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Does any one have any idea who Hillary may choose as VP if she were to get the nod? :confused3 I wonder if she does not if we will ever know.

I for the life of me cant think of who she would pick. Obama either ...any ideas?

I can see one of them picking Edwards....I mean they have not even slipped letting it out.

curiosity has the best of me. The Debate should be good tomorrow night...it is tomorrow right :rotfl:

I am so lost....
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";23440818]Does any one have any idea who Hillary may choose as VP if she were to get the nod? :confused3 I wonder if she does not if we will ever know.

I for the life of me cant think of who she would pick. Obama either ...any ideas?

I can see one of them picking Edwards....I mean they have not even slipped letting it out.

curiosity has the best of me. The Debate should be good tomorrow night...it is tomorrow right :rotfl:

I am so lost....[/QUOTE]

I really wish for a Clinton\Obama or Obama\Clinton ticket......

If its not that - she may choose Richardson

Or should she really pull this out - I can see her choosing the Ohio governor who is working so hard for her right now.....
 
Super Delegates Discussed - by Geraldine Ferraro

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Did you know in Wisconsin, You dont even have to be regisered to vote. You just show up on primary day and register right then & there. They dont even make you provide proof of address! :crazy2:
I heard rumors that busloads of people from Illinois went & voted for Obama during their primary!:confused3 Dont know how true it is?

This whole primary voting is crazy!:upsidedow

Geraldine Ferraro writing this for the NYT, is a good hint that the SD's will go to Hillary!
 
Or should she really pull this out - I can see her choosing the Ohio governor who is working so hard for her right now.....

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM interesting!:scratchin
 
This whole primary voting is crazy!:upsidedow

Geraldine Ferraro writing this for the NYT, is a good hint that the SD's will go to Hillary!

I stated this in another thread, but this seems like a good time to repeat. I can't see the Super delegates voting completely against the public if their is a wide margin between Hillary and Obama. Nor do I think it would be good for this party/country. But if Hillary can keep the race close - and the difference between her and Obama to a marginal amount of delegates she provides cover for the super delegates to vote for her. That's why I think she'll stay in the race till the bitter end.

I've never done the caucus in the Texas Primary - partially because it's always been decided by the time we vote and partially because I didn't have a clue how this works. Bu I think this time, I better figure out how this work and do both voting and caucus.
 

Just thought of something.....

Ferraro says..."although many states like New York have closed primaries in which only enrolled Democrats are allowed to vote, in many other states Republicans and independents can make the difference by voting in Democratic primaries or caucuses"

I would love to know excatly which states these are. Could be the reason for the low Republican turnout. They are turning out BUT voting in the Democrat primary Not the Republican!!!!!!!:scared1:

How that for a Conspiracy theory?:thumbsup2
 
Just thought of something.....

Ferraro says..."although many states like New York have closed primaries in which only enrolled Democrats are allowed to vote, in many other states Republicans and independents can make the difference by voting in Democratic primaries or caucuses"

I would love to know excatly which states these are. Could be the reason for the low Republican turnout. They are turning out BUT voting in the Democrat primary Not the Republican!!!!!!!:scared1:

How that for a Conspiracy theory?:thumbsup2

Its NOT a conspiracy theory - the independents and "former" republicans have especially been voting in the caucuses ...........
 
This whole photo of Obama happening right after the mailings that most everyone in the media is agreeing is a misrepresentation at best remind me of a trick they did around here for years. Want your opponent to look bad? Have one of your people break your own campaign window. If they get caught it's not a big deal and it won't happen till after the election anyway.
 
I don't get the photo. So he went to Kenya and tried on native clothes. Who wouldn't do that? Sounds perfectly acceptable to me. Much better than Bush kissing Saudi Princes.
 
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