Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[wvrevy]

Last positive posting for Hillary - got to get the 8 hours to make the bucks in the morning.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/27935.html

That, I agree with 100%.

 

[wvrevy]

Every year there are more ethics laws put into place and every year the people who benefit the most from them are the people who write them.

McCain Feingold is such a great campaign finance reform Act. Of course Indian reservations don't count. They can donate however much they want. I wonder if there are any of those in Arizona or Wisconsin??? Hey, guess who was the top indiviual recipient of Indian gaming soft money in 2000? A certain senator from Az! Reform isn't what it used to be.

Soo....what, we shouldn't pass any kind of reform? Just allow free reign from lobbyists and PAC's to outright buy candidates?

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me, since Obama is the one making this an issue and stating that lobbyists are bad, what's the difference between federal and state lobbyists? If you think they're bad, just stop taking the money from both. If your opponant doesn't, that's up to them and the voters. But if you think they're bad and you're still taking the state money, there just may be a bit of a problem in ethics.

State lobbyists don't have federal legislative agendas.

BTW, since you read and post here, maybe you can answer a question. I saw this on an Obama support board. Since I don't support him, I don't post there. But I did read it to see if people are making stuff up or whatever.

You posted this:

Do you know how long a senators term is? Do you know this is Hillary's second term? Was that 5 years a typo?

Wow...score one for you. I hit the 5 instead of the 6. You win...Hillary must be the better candidate.

 

[JARNJ3]

Most people around Chicago kinda figure it's going negative if it's bad facts about your candidate, but setting the record straight if it's bad about the other one.

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One of the differences between the two, and the basis in Obama's arguement that he will be 'right from day one' is Clinton's vote on the Iraq war.

Obama can make whatever statements he wants because he wasn't in the senate to vote.

He did say he wouldn't have voted for the war in 2002. That's a fact. But he also stated in repeatedly in 2002 and 2003 he wouldn't vote to fund the Iraq war.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2970972


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2970930

There isn't necessarily a contradiction in this position; other opponents of the war vote to fund the troops so as to ensure they're as safe as possible. But there certainly seems a contradiction between this view of war funding and Obama's view just a few years ago, after the war in Iraq had been raging for more than six months.

"Just this week, when I was asked, would I have voted for the $87 billion dollars, I said 'No,'" Obama said to applause as he referred to a bill to fund troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I said no unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say 'No' to George Bush," Obama said. "If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance."

In a questionnaire he completed for the liberal group Council for a Livable World and in a 2003 press release he issued as a state senator, Obama suggested the Congress delay the $87 billion in funding "until the president provides a specific plan and timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, justifies each and every dollar to ensure it is not going to reward Bush political friends and contributors, and provides 'investment in our own schools, health care, economic development and job creation that is at least comparable' to what is going to Iraq."

Anyone see that last part happen???

Since he's been in the Senate, he's voted the exact same way as HC on Iraq funding.
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Of course when he was first explaining the contradiction of the Iraq funding, he said he wasn't quite sure if he knew what the senators knew he wouldn't have voted yes for the Iraq resolution in 2002.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/05/obama_slams_cli.html

"I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq," Obama said at the time, "although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence."

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And then I'm still not 100% sure where he stands on that issue. I think I know now, but maybe back in 2004 if you're the Democratic nom. for President it was OK to vote for the war, but in 2008 it's not??

He did give the keynote speech for Kerry (who voted for the use of force, along with HC) at the convention in 2004.

And he was on meet the press in 2004 with Russert.

Tim Russert: "How could they have been so wrong and you so right as a state legislator in Illinois and they're on the Foreign Relations and intelligence committees in Washington?"

Obama replied, "Well, I think they have access to information that I did not have."

Thank you for presenting that information. Obama's contradictions seem to be overlooked, and Hillary's tend to be called lies.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Wow...score one for you. I hit the 5 instead of the 6. You win...Hillary must be the better candidate.

Try again. She started in 2001...it's 2008.

 

[JARNJ3]

Soo....what, we shouldn't pass any kind of reform? Just allow free reign from lobbyists and PAC's to outright buy candidates?

State lobbyists don't have federal legislative agendas.

So it was ok for him to take "bribes" as a state legislator?

Quite frankly - I also think this lobbyist issue is a non-issue - made up for the campaign trail. But come on - admit there's some hypocrisy going on here.....
At least in my view.....

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

State lobbyists don't have federal legislative agendas.

Not even close. It's all semantics.


http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070809/NEWS10/708090335/1016/NEWS

Vassiliadis, the most prominent of the group, is a longtime Democratic operative who has been a fixture in many statewide campaigns. He's also a registered lobbyist at the Nevada Legislature, representing some of the state's largest companies.

Although Vassiliadis is not a registered federal lobbyist, his firm, R&R Partners, has a Washington, D.C., branch that lobbies Congress.

 

[wvrevy]

Try again. She started in 2001...it's 2008.

However you want to measure it, she has less legislative experience than he does.

So it was ok for him to take "bribes" as a state legislator?

Quite frankly - I also think this lobbyist issue is a non-issue - made up for the campaign trail. But come on - admit there's some hypocrisy going on here.....
At least in my view.....

Barack's campaign is not taking any contributions from federal lobbyists. I'm talking about now, not a decade ago.

Of course you think it's a non-issue. The candidate you're backing has taken more money from lobbyists and PAC's than the McCain and Huckabee combined.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

So it was ok for him to take "bribes" as a state legislator?

Quite frankly - I also think this lobbyist issue is a non-issue - made up for the campaign trail. But come on - admit there's some hypocrisy going on here.....
At least in my view.....

It's not just taking the so called 'bribes'. As a US senator, he had his own PAC which is now so evil. It's one thing to go along with the current system as it stands and then try to change it, but to create your own and then a few short years later call them evil is a bit hypocritical.

 

[wvrevy]

Not even close. It's all semantics.


http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070809/NEWS10/708090335/1016/NEWS

Vassiliadis, the most prominent of the group, is a longtime Democratic operative who has been a fixture in many statewide campaigns. He's also a registered lobbyist at the Nevada Legislature, representing some of the state's largest companies.

Although Vassiliadis is not a registered federal lobbyist, his firm, R&R Partners, has a Washington, D.C., branch that lobbies Congress.

Again...not gonna listen to "it's semantics!" arguments from Clinton supporters.


Ok...I'll go away and let you guys have your thread back. I didn't intend to get into the debate, but I get tired of the slamming of Obama that goes on, then whining when he or his supporters have the nerve to fight back. But whatever...You guys have fun.

 

[JARNJ3]

Again...not gonna listen to "it's semantics!" arguments from Clinton supporters.

Then why point it out - we obviously see things differently - so your point doesn't "score" with us.

Ok...I'll go away and let you guys have your thread back. I didn't intend to get into the debate, but I get tired of the slamming of Obama that goes on, then whining when he or his supporters have the nerve to fight back. But whatever...You guys have fun.

Again - just as you say you're not slamming Clinton - we aren't necessarily slamming Obama - we're discussing reasons why we're voting the way we're voting - just as you are discussing the reasons why you're voting for your candidate.

I've stated before - we're not going to change each other's minds - and you're not going to get buyer's remorse from me.

I genuinely believe that Senator Clinton is the best choice at this time to be the next President of the United States.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Again...not gonna listen to "it's semantics!" arguments from Clinton supporters.


Ok...I'll go away and let you guys have your thread back. I didn't intend to get into the debate, but I get tired of the slamming of Obama that goes on, then whining when he or his supporters have the nerve to fight back. But whatever...You guys have fun.

Slamming Obama as in mentioning that Hillary has served more than 5 years? More than the 6 years just a slip on the keyboard? Seems like someone sure does want to under represesnt someones street cred.

OK, you have a nice day.

 

[punkin]

I would have noticed but I haven't been there as much lately. It's been kind of strange over there.

Yeah, I noticed that lately

I am just happy that she hasn't given up. Does that truly make her the candidate of hope?

She is one tough cookie. One of the reasons I am voting for her.

Most people around Chicago kinda figure it's going negative if it's bad facts about your candidate, but setting the record straight if it's bad about the other one.

God, I miss Chicago politics.

Again - just as you say you're not slamming Clinton - we aren't necessarily slamming Obama - we're discussing reasons why we're voting the way we're voting - just as you are discussing the reasons why you're voting for your candidate.

I've stated before - we're not going to change each other's minds - and you're not going to get buyer's remorse from me.

I genuinely believe that Senator Clinton is the best choice at this time to be the next President of the United States.

My feelings exactly.

 

["Got Disney"]

Thank you for presenting that information. Obama's contradictions seem to be overlooked, and Hillary's tend to be called lies.

they sure do......

However you want to measure it, she has less legislative experience than he does.



Barack's campaign is not taking any contributions from federal lobbyists. I'm talking about now, not a decade ago.

Of course you think it's a non-issue. The candidate you're backing has taken more money from lobbyists and PAC's than the McCain and Huckabee combined.

Oh I see it is okay that he did it a decade ago....I see and O yes i forgot that he has said he was sorry for all he has done....

But as for Hillary that is a totally different story....

Again...not gonna listen to "it's semantics!" arguments from Clinton supporters.


Ok...I'll go away and let you guys have your thread back. I didn't intend to get into the debate, but I get tired of the slamming of Obama that goes on, then whining when he or his supporters have the nerve to fight back. But whatever...You guys have fun.

Again with the poor Obama and I get tired of all the Obama slamming and I never slam Hillary because I will vote for her .....and we are all whiners but hay....you only come to debate the issues...not who is better....

Wow...score one for you. I hit the 5 instead of the 6. You win...Hillary must be the better candidate.

Well it's about time that you got it

So it was ok for him to take "bribes" as a state legislator?

Quite frankly - I also think this lobbyist issue is a non-issue - made up for the campaign trail. But come on - admit there's some hypocrisy going on here.....
At least in my view.....

of course it is okay ...it's easier to turn the other cheek than to think that your candidate is not perfect...

It's not just taking the so called 'bribes'. As a US senator, he had his own PAC which is now so evil. It's one thing to go along with the current system as it stands and then try to change it, but to create your own and then a few short years later call them evil is a bit hypocritical.

Sometimes I think that so many are just not aware of what he has done and th ones that do ignore it and just find time to slam Hillary.

Granted he is not Mr. Evil by any measure but neither is Hillary...He has run a better campaign as far as organization and he is a good man. But it does get tiring to listen over and over how he is "the messiah" or treated as if he is.

The slamming of Hillary has been going on since the beginning and for pete's sake she sheds a tear and it's all over the media and the Rep could also not help them selves from stating it was rehearsed....please....

I think as a woman and many other woman took offense to that remark and came out in droves to make a statement....

I am okay with Obama getting the nod but my concern is that if he does there will be no living with his big head......it has been mentioned on several occ. that Obama's personality is turning to be somewhat arrogant.....

After all how could it not...the first black man with so many coming out to vote for him. I must add that if he was not getting around 87% of the black vote than this would be a totally different race.

 

[jacksonsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23286005]

I am okay with Obama getting the nod but my concern is that if he does there will be no living with his big head......it has been mentioned on several occ. that Obama's personality is turning to be somewhat arrogant.....

After all how could it not...the first black man with so many coming out to vote for him. I must add that if he was not getting around 87% of the black vote than this would be a totally different race.[/QUOTE]

I 110% agree with what you just said
but I have my

Give it time and someone will be on here screaming racist with that comment, no matter how true it might be

 

["Got Disney"]

I 110% agree with what you just said
but I have my

Give it time and someone will be on here screaming racist with that comment, no matter how true it might be

Thats okay let them use that to cover up the truth of the matter...than they will have to call all the media racist also...I am the fartest thing from racist so let them call me what they want...

It is not a racist remark ...the Obama supporters like facts well this is a fact. If the black vote was split it would be different and even Obama himself has said that he is aware of this.

 

[robinb]

Hi everyone!I just got back from Hillary's rally here in Madison. She is taking a page from her husband's book and she spoke for over an hour. I have to say that I agreed with everything she said. As an added bonus, I HAD to cheer her good and loud. My DD (in the picture below) cashed in on her cuteness. She was sitting on my friend's shoulder waving her Hillary sign and we were selected to sit in the bleachers directly behind Hillary only 3 rows up! At the last minute! Wow. I have to say that the support Tammy Baldwin (only Lesbian congressman and my very own congressman) and Lt Gov Barbara Lawton makes me go hhhmmmmm. Those are both women and politicians who I greatly admire.

Alas ... I gave no pictures . I brought my expensive $300 Canon S3 IS instead of my DD's German POS so I could take pictures from far away without them being blurry. My Obama/Mr. Bill pictures were taken with the Jenopik and I wanted something a bit nicer. I forgot to check the batteries and I lugged around a very expensive yet totally useless camera . I took 3 really bad pictures on my cell phone. I'll post them if I can figure how to get them off my phone.

Anyway ... I shook Chelsea's hand and Hillary's hand and I got autographs on the sign for my friend who is definately voting for her.

As for me ... I think I will flip-flop until I walk into the booth tomorrow and fill in the arrow next to someone's name.

 

[Planogirl]

Hi everyone!I just got back from Hillary's rally here in Madison. She is taking a page from her husband's book and she spoke for over an hour. I have to say that I agreed with everything she said. As an added bonus, I HAD to cheer her good and loud. My DD (in the picture below) cashed in on her cuteness. She was sitting on my friend's shoulder waving her Hillary sign and we were selected to sit in the bleachers directly behind Hillary only 3 rows up! At the last minute! Wow. I have to say that the support Tammy Baldwin (only Lesbian congressman and my very own congressman) and Lt Gov Barbara Lawton makes me go hhhmmmmm. Those are both women and politicians who I greatly admire.

Alas ... I gave no pictures . I brought my expensive $300 Canon S3 IS instead of my DD's German POS so I could take pictures from far away without them being blurry. My Obama/Mr. Bill pictures were taken with the Jenopik and I wanted something a bit nicer. I forgot to check the batteries and I lugged around a very expensive yet totally useless camera . I took 3 really bad pictures on my cell phone. I'll post them if I can figure how to get them off my phone.

Anyway ... I shook Chelsea's hand and Hillary's hand and I got autographs on the sign for my friend who is definately voting for her.

As for me ... I think I will flip-flop until I walk into the booth tomorrow and fill in the arrow next to someone's name.

Thanks for the report, you flip-flopper you! Actually, I'm doing the same thing virtually on a daily basis.

 

["Got Disney"]

wow sure wish that I had not missed seeing Hillary when she was only 10 minutes from me. I would have loved to bring my 14 y.o son who has been following this election with me.

What ever your decision is... to vote for... it will be right

Have fun voting tomorrow. I will be waiting to see the polls all day like this... and than hope to be doing this

 

[lauraf]

I just wanted to join in here. I am a huge Hillary supporter. I have watched many of the debates, and also the town hall meeting Hillary had on the Halmark channel. I like what she has to say, and I think she will be a great president but has a hard,long road ahead of her. If it goes to Obama against McCain, at first I was going to vote McCain, but then I became undecided, and now even though I don't care for him for many reasons I will vote for him. My reason is I want this war to end. I don't think anyone can do worse than what we have now. We will have change no matter what, with the next president, so that "change" is not exclusive to Obama. I do think he is a great preacher, and he will unify all of his followers, but not the country. I said it before, inspiration will not run a country, only experience can. If Obama becomes president, then I hope I am wrong. I am very glad to have a thread devoted to Hillary

 

["Got Disney"]

I am wondering why Hillary is in Ohio instead of Texas??? Seems with Obama in Texas so should she. Hillary seems to be ahead of herself all the time.

Obama had a good speech tonight after his large win. He has a unbeatable campaign. I keep asking myself as he states that he is going to change this and change that and give this to you and give that to you and we I will up this and take that away....

Where is all the money coming from. I think one of the issues that is hurting Hillary ,even though as a nurse I believe that we need to do it ...is her mandating Health care. Many are not ready for that yet.

I do believe that that is one plan that will still fail many people not because it is not made affordable but because many will want to spend there money somewhere else.


Does anyone know how many votes total Obama has compared to Hillary?

even if she does not get the nod I will be happy knowing that she will still be in congress to continue to plug along for all of us that still believe in her?

I am wondering if Edwards was waiting to see what happened tonight in Wisconsin since it was a blue collar state. He may have waited to see how they would have voted, because they were the people that he had passion to help.....if they spoke for Hillary then he would have went with her....he may since they picked Obama decide to go with him.