Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

["Got Disney"]

I hate watching the news and all this same old same old crap. I hope Hillary wins just so I can walk around with not just a big smile that she won but because of all the media and OS being so

The news tonight was the same thing. The question of the day...Will this guy that Obama calls his friend that is being called an anti American and terrorist hurt Obama...after all he is a friend and just because his friend says this does not mean Obama believes it....

Than in the next breath a question is asked about the recent story of the woman that died due to no medical attention/insurance.....Well yes that will hurt her and possibly cause her to loose PA because who can trust her after that ....What

It's okay for Obama to make the same blunders yet have these terrible people that he associated with...Rev. Wright, Rezco, and this terrorist talking anti American Guy, the Punishing with a baby remark(could you just imagine if Hillary had said that). Not to mention his wife's remarks...this is all okay with the people..

All I can say is GO figure. I think I need to stay away from the news because it is always the same old same old and it wears me down. Sometimes I just want to jump through the TV and say "Wait a minute
What is wrong with you people in the media. Dick Morris is the worse...he hates Hillary/Clintons and says nothing but very bad stuff about her and he is a Democrat. He is another that defends what ever Obama says as if it is all nothing.

Tonight he said that Obama will not only win NC but PA and the rest of the states in a big way. Hillary should have dropped out 2 months ago

I am not mad at Obama for this but his supporters and the media...that is who my ranting is about. If there was an even show of hands I could see more clearly. It's terrible that I hope that they find something on Obama and run with it so the media and OS see that he is human. But when they do it seems to not matter.


grrrrrrrrrr

 

[jacksonsmom]

Yes - but what this article is trying to point out is - Obama may well win the nomination but lose the general - having less electoral votes than Hillary.

This may be in the rules - but it will be these rules that could in fact allow McCain in.......

Just curious - what states that Kerry didn't win - could Obama pick up?

Hillary has a sincere shot at all the Kerry states - plus OH and FL. Win those - you're President.

That is a question I would like a OS to answer. They seem to think if Obama wins the Nom that he has the general election in the bag

I personally believe Obama would lose the general election. Seriously what states could Obama win that John Kerry or even Al Gore did not?
Maybe Ohio, I guess.... but I don't see Obama winning Florida.
Florida is going to be tough for the Dems to win.

I think us Dems shot ourselves in the foot with this election. This should have been a Dem year, but I see it slipping farther and farther away.

I don't know where the blame lays, but didn't Obama say way back when that he would not run for President during his first term in Senate? I maybe wrong but I thought I remember hearing that before.

Since Hillary Clinton and Obama have so many supporters, I mean really they are pretty much at 50/50 of the votes, we have divided our own party. 50% of the voters are not going to be happy that their candidate didn't win the nom.
I understand some will vote for either candidate, but there is a good number that will not vote for the other candidate, be it Clinton or Obama.

I can easily see McCain winning this election

 

[DISUNC]

There is a VAST difference in all the polls regarding the upcoming PA Primary....BUT I like this one the best!


SurveyUSA 4/5-7
Clinton 56%
Obama 38%

http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php


1st: Some of the men who flirted with Obama at the end of March have returned to Clinton. Other men have moved to the sidelines. Last week, Obama led by 7 among men. Men were 46% of likely voters. Today, Clinton leads among men. Men are 42% of likely voters.

2nd: Obama lost ground among voters age 35 to 49. A week ago, he had caught Clinton in this age group. Today, he's down 18. By contrast, there is no movement among voters age 50+. Clinton's lead among voters 50+ is stable across all 3 tracking polls.

3rd: In Southeast PA, which includes Philadelphia and which makes up 42% of likely Democratic voters, Clinton had a good week, Obama a bad week. Clinton is above 50% for the first time and Obama is now down by 9 in a region he must win to carry the state. In Southwest PA, which includes Pittsburgh, Clinton polls at 60% for the first time, 25 points atop Obama. Only in West Central PA, which includes Johnstown, has there been consistent movement toward Obama.

4th: Among moderates, Obama lost key ground while Clinton gained ground. Clinton now leads by 24 points, 60% to 36%. Obama also lost ground among Liberals. And while Obama's support fell among Conservatives, so did Clinton's.

5th: Interviewing for SurveyUSA's 04/01/08 release, one week ago, occurred in the middle of Obama's 6-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, which began on 03/28/08. Obama may have benefited a week ago from the media spotlight.

Summary: The complete absence of movement among whites and among women is striking. Among white voters, Clinton polled at 61% in all 3 tracking polls. Among women, Clinton was at 62% a month ago, 62% last week, and 61% today. These two unwavering core constituencies help make Clinton so formidable in the Keystone state.

 

[JARNJ3]

That is a great poll! I hope it sticks!!

 

[Planogirl]

I like that poll too.

But polls are pretty unreliable so we'll see.

 

[punkin]

I like that poll too.

But polls are pretty unreliable so we'll see.

True, but so far in this election the unreliability seems to favor Clinton.

 

[JARNJ3]

More on the Hillary was wrong hospital story. She wasn't.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/07/clinton_told_true_tale_of_woe.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin

By Anne E. Kornblut
The aunt of a young pregnant woman who died after a hospital told her she needed to pay $100 up front for care said in an interview on Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been telling the story accurately on the campaign trail -- following claims by a different Ohio hospital that it did not turn the patient away.

For weeks, Clinton repeated an anecdote she heard in Ohio on Feb. 28 involving a young woman who lost her baby and later died because she lacked health insurance and did not have $100 to gain access to a nearby hospital.

But over the weekend, Clinton came under fire when officials at O'Bleness Memorial Hospital, after reading about her remarks, demanded that she stop recounting it because the patient, Trina Bechtel, was admitted there and did have insurance.

That part, it turns out, is true. But so is Clinton's claim that Bechtel did not get care at another hospital that wanted a $100 pre-payment before seeing her, according to the young woman's aunt, Lisa Casto. "It's a true story," said Casto, 53.

Casto added some details that were not part -- or differed from -- the Clinton anecdote: She said her niece had previously been in debt to a local hospital that later sent her a letter informing her that she could only be treated there in the future if she gave them a $100 deposit. At the time she went into debt to that hospital, Casto said, Bechtel was uninsured, though she later obtained health insurance and was insured at the time of her death.

Casto said she did not want to give the name of the offending hospital because the flood of calls over the incident has overwhelmed her and Meigs County deputy sheriff Bryan Holman, a friend of hers who retold the story to Clinton when she campaigned in southern Ohio.

But court records show that Bechtel had a civil judgment against her by the Holzer Hospital Foundation for the amount of $4,426, entered in 2002, which was repaid in 2005. A call to an official at Holzer Medical Center, which is run by the foundation, in Ohio was not immediately returned.

Casto said her niece, who suffered from preeclampsia during her pregnancy, did not seek care at the first hospital when she fell ill because she knew she did not have the $100 out-of-pocket she believed she would need to be seen. Instead, she went to O'Bleness Memorial Hospital, where her baby was stillborn. Bechtel was later flown to Columbus and died there. She was 35.

Casto said she has been stunned by the amount of negative attention her niece's story generated, and that she was sorry it had hurt the Clinton campaign. She was, and is, she said, a supporter. "Did I vote for Hillary?" she said. "You'd better bet I did."

 

[JARNJ3]

From blueoregon blog.

Of course, we're preaching to the choir here!

Clinton, Obama, and the Bush-Cheney energy bill that allows LNG to threaten Oregon
guest column

By Paddy McGuire of Portland, Oregon. Paddy is a former executive director of the Democratic Party of Oregon, a former Clinton Administration appointee, and a former deputy Oregon Secretary of State. Last week, he contributed "The Red Sox Should Have Dropped Out".

Critics of Hillary Clinton repeatedly point to her 2002 vote to authorize going to war with Iraq (if Saddam Hussein continued to stymie U.N. weapons inspectors, a resolution supported by U.N. weapons inspector, Hans Blix) as the primary evidence that she should not be President. Many cite this vote as a reason to oppose Hillary, despite many of those same people having earlier supported John Kerry and John Edwards for President, who voted exactly the same way.

Fast forward to 2005.

Vice-President Cheney crafted an energy bill with corporate energy pals in Congress that stripped authority from the states on the siting of

Today, the Cheney-Bush Energy bill is responsible for no fewer than 3 LNG facilities threatening Oregon coastline, rivers, forests, fish, fishermen, farmers, and neighborhoods up and down western Oregon, and most of that natural gas will ultimately go to California.

Let’s see who was for this mess and who was against it:

Opposed the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill
Hillary Clinton
Ron Wyden
Earl Blumenauer
Peter DeFazio
Darlene Hooley
David Wu

For the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill
Barack Obama
Gordon Smith
Greg Walden

 

["Got Disney"]

So DISUNC how good is this poll. I know this one is always your fav but how does it fair when the primaries are done in the states you watch. Is it usually right on , off some or fair better than all the others??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

inquiring minds want to know mostly this mind

 

[DISUNC]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24341950]So DISUNC how good is this poll. I know this one is always your fav but how does it fair when the primaries are done in the states you watch. Is it usually right on , off some or fair better than all the others??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

inquiring minds want to know mostly this mind [/QUOTE]

They have been pretty accurate so far. What is deifferent about them is that they dont use people (so nobody being polled is 'influenced') They use computers to cal' ('press 1, press 2'...type of stuff, and Internet technology to do their polling)

Here is a list of their polls so far this year.

Alabama..............Clinton..Obama
Survey USA............47.......49
Results ..............42.......56

California.............Clinton...Obama
Survey USA..............53.........42
Results.................52.........43

Connecticut........... Clinton....Obama
Survey USA...............46........48
Results..................47........51

Illinois...................Clinton...Obama
Survey USA..................30.........66
Results.....................33.........65

Maryland................Clinton...Obama
Survey USA................32.........55
Results...................37.........60

Massachusetts.......Clinton....Obama
Survey USA.............56...........39
Results................56...........41

Missouri..................Clinton...Obama
Survey USA.................54..........43
Results....................48...........49

New Jersey..............Clinton...Obama
Survey USA................52.........41
Results...................54.........44

New York.................Clinton...Obama
Survey USA................56..........38
Results...................57..........40

Ohio.........................Clinton...Obama
Survey USA....................54..........44
Results.......................54..........44

Oklahoma..................Clinton.....Obama
Survey USA.................54...........27
Results....................55...........31

South Carolina..............Clinton....Obama
Survey USA...................30...........43
Results......................27...........55

Texas..........................Clinton....Obama
Survey USA......................48...........49
Results..........................51...........47

Virginia.........................Clinton...Obama
Survey USA........................38..........60
Results...........................35..........64

 

["Got Disney"]

ya know when I go to the Obama board every post is about Hillary this and Hillary that and it is all bad. They say nothing good about her. We here do not care for Obama and have plenty to say about him yet we are much more mellow here. They are talking about making and designing Obama logos for bumper stickers and such....funny.

When I read there, there is so much that they are off track on. They cant see beyond Obama winning and anyone that runs against him is trash. To me it seems like they have lost all perspective on the issues and it is all about winning at any cost.

It hit me last night listening to the news that there has been noting about this man that he has done to make him be taken over the edge as he has been. He is pretty much a nobody and has done pretty much nothing in his political career. I new this but last night it really hit me. There is nothing about this man that is special...nothing.

You would think we were electing another Martin Luther King Jr. or something. I saw him today in an interview and when being asked questions he was stumbling all over his words. Unless he is giving a well rehearsed speech ...he cant talk well.

And by the way the thing with the Monkey comment and the delegate he let go for it ..IMO he was again playing the race card again. I have myself told my kids and there friends that happen to be black (Branden and sons are always playing in my trees, what boys do) " Ya know you kids look like a bunch of monkeys playing in that tree" be careful up there! and that was nothing meant as racist. The woman even said she meant nothing by it.

She is/was a Obama delegate and had his signs all over her yard. The Obama people got rid of her and took the alternate in her place.


Kids and looking like monkeys in trees go together.

 

[JARNJ3]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24342690]ya know when I go to the Obama board every post is about Hillary this and Hillary that and it is all bad. They say nothing good about her. We here do not care for Obama and have plenty to say about him yet we are much more mellow here. They are talking about making and designing Obama logos for bumper stickers and such....funny.

When I read there, there is so much that they are off track on. They cant see beyond Obama winning and anyone that runs against him is trash. To me it seems like they have lost all perspective on the issues and it is all about winning at any cost.

It hit me last night listening to the news that there has been noting about this man that he has done to make him be taken over the edge as he has been. He is pretty much a nobody and has done pretty much nothing in his political career. I new this but last night it really hit me. There is nothing about this man that is special...nothing.

You would think we were electing another Martin Luther King Jr. or something. I saw him today in an interview and when being asked questions he was stumbling all over his words. Unless he is giving a well rehearsed speech ...he cant talk well.

And by the way the thing with the Monkey comment and the delegate he let go for it ..IMO he was again playing the race card again. I have myself told my kids and there friends that happen to be black (Branden and sons are always playing in my trees, what boys do) " Ya know you kids look like a bunch of monkeys playing in that tree" be careful up there! and that was nothing meant as racist. The woman even said she meant nothing by it.

She is/was a Obama delegate and had his signs all over her yard. The Obama people got rid of her and took the alternate in her place.


Kids and looking like monkeys in trees go together.[/QUOTE]


Obama Supporters (in general) believe he's already won - by virtue of his delegate lead and popular vote lead. They feel that Clinton will not be able to catch him in both of these numbers - hence, "the math." They feel whomever is leading, the super delegates should vote for. They've waged a PR war for the supers to vote for the person who is leading.

Hillary won't quit and feels that the supers should be able to vote their consciences - and if that goes against the "will of the people" (I say people, instead of democrats, because I believe many non-democrats voted in favor of Obama) - sobeit. That bothers the Obama supporters too.

That delegate dismissal? Ridiculous.

 

[DISUNC]

I dont go there!

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24342690]You would think we were electing another Martin Luther King Jr. or something. .[/QUOTE]

The Difference between the two are.....

MLK actually DID something in his life, He made a difference. BO just talks about doing something and hoping to make a difference!

I still would like too know what BO has done for anybody in the past to make their lives better. I still havent seen one person from his past speak well of him.

 

[punkin]

I dont go there!



The Difference between the two are.....

MLK actually DID something in his life, He made a difference. BO just talks about doing something and hoping to make a difference!

I still would like too know what BO has done for anybody in the past to make their lives better. I still havent seen one person from his past speak well of him.

Reverend Wright?

 

["Got Disney"]

those results are pretty good ...comes around + or - 3 points which is normal for polling. Well hope it is true because the polls are all over the place. Of course most of the media is showing the 45/45 poll over and over ...than saying that other polls are showing a slight difference.

Hillary just cant get a break at all no matter what. They cant help themselves to keep saying over and over how Obama is closing the gap and is showing that Hillary will only win ..if she does by a tiny margin. I wonder if there are many in the polls just saying that they are voting for Obama yet planning on voting for Hillary.


Or the Rep are saying it. Just like the same thing that happened in the beginning of the primaries...hmmmm what state was that????

 

[DISUNC]

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) said Tuesday it was “probably a mistake” when he said last month that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) should drop out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“Sen. Clinton has an absolute right . . . to run,” Leahy told reporters. “She is obviously qualified to be president.”

Leahy said his original comments were made out of concern for his party.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9466.html

 

["Got Disney"]

Reverend Wright?

Dont forget Rezco(sp) and the other anti American terrorist guy....and his wife who I do believe is racist...not Obama but her I do.

 

[DISUNC]

Reverend Wright?

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24342999]those results are pretty good ...comes around + or - 3 points which is normal for polling. Well hope it is true because the polls are all over the place. Of course most of the media is showing the 45/45 poll over and over ...than saying that other polls are showing a slight difference.[/QUOTE]

When the numbers were a bit off....it involved open primaries & those DREADED Caucuses! BUT they were most always right on the money with closed Primaries & NO cacuses.....LIKE 100% accurate in Ohio!!!
Which is very much like PA!

 

["Got Disney"]

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) said Tuesday it was “probably a mistake” when he said last month that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) should drop out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“Sen. Clinton has an absolute right . . . to run,” Leahy told reporters. “She is obviously qualified to be president.”

Leahy said his original comments were made out of concern for his party.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9466.html

Sure that is why a lot have been going to his side since Super Tuesday. If they keep saying that she should stay in maybe the supers will listen.

Funny how they went on and on about her dropping out and how many have changed there minds....and say she should and has all right to stay in...cant figure out why they changed there minds after all the math has not changed.

 

[punkin]

So let's say they are right on the money and Hillary wins big in PA (big is defined by the Obama campaign as more than 10 points). What then?