Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

As for the benefit of the doubt phrase, I said it because we really don't do that much here in this thread. Even Hillary has been sometimes harshly questioned. So I wondered why SP was to get a diffrerent treatment.

That's because Hillary has enough evidence supporting her to take that kind of questioning, and frankly, SP does not. She is a lightweight (as is Obama) and I am still scratching my head why McCain picked her. Surely he knew that she would be anathema to more centrist voters.

The only reason I don't jump on the bash Palin on her animal rights record bandwagon is because it frankly doesn't matter that much to me. The woman's right wing agenda will do more than enough damage to people (particularly women and girls) that wolves don't even enter into my dislike.
 
My state will every so often will have open hunting for deer (to help control the population is what is being told) and this is not just during regular hunting season, but something separate time. What is the difference????
Why not the outrage over that, is it because a wolf's life is more important then a deer's? Or is it just because people like to find something to hate about Palin?

I wasn't "looking for reasons to hate about Palin" I don't know anythign about your state, but SP is running for the second highest office in the nation. That's why we have every right to question her, just as much as we question the others who are running.
 
Now with this whole Palin & wolf hunting, at first I was disgusted with it, but then I researched and research BOTH sides of the story (not just from
Now what is the difference that Palin is doing what people in the lower states do to coyatoes or deer? I thought I heard states like Wyoming and other western state have paid for coyatoes that are killed? (someone correct me if I am wrong)My state will every so often will have open hunting for deer (to help control the population is what is being told) and this is not just during regular hunting season, but something separate time. What is the difference????

Here in San Diego they had a Coyote round up and paid to have them killed due to to many of them. I was very upset about that. I live on a hill and we have many coyotes and due to the over construction of building they are starving and coming into our neighborhoods taking our cats and dogs for food.

Even at times going near people because they have learned no fear from us. I lost a cat to a coyote in my yard to one that jumped over the fence. WE scared the coyote away but he did to much damage to my kitty.

I love the coyotes up here and can here them at night. I also had a coyote we named clifford that we snuck over the border not realizing it was a 8 week old coyote pup..it was very ill and that is a long story but we had him for 16 years.

I see many of them roaming in the early am and some are fat and some are skinny. It use to be where all were so skinny it made you wanna feed them. Saw a coyote pup hit on the road down the street last week and could not have been more than about 3 months old....:sad1:

So even though I hated the idea I understood it. And owning a coyote made it even that much harder. WE even herd the gunshots in the canyons. :eek::sad1::sad1: we have also noticed since than more bunnies and skunks and squirrles coming back.

This being said I am not saying it is the same but the premise is there and also just stating that yes we had this on coyotes.
 
I wasn't "looking for reasons to hate about Palin" I don't know anythign about your state, but SP is running for the second highest office in the nation. That's why we have every right to question her, just as much as we question the others who are running.


I wasn't pointing my question directly just at you, more just an open question to anyone.

I just don't understand the outrage over the wolves when other states do things very similar.
I guess I am just trying to say if people are going to be outraged about the wolves then they should look around what goes on down in the lower 48 states, probably even their own state. There are actually "hunting" resorts, where the animals are trapped and people go in and "hunt" (more like kill) them. To me that is outrageous!

I am not head over heels with Palin, I just think the wolf hunting is being blown out of porption with the media. There is definitely other reasons to be concerned about Palin though.
But I am voting for McCain not because of Palin, I really wish McCain would have picked Lieberman, but even though I don't care for Palin the other choice is too shady so McCain it is.
 

The articles I posted are not from PETA or other Vegetarian type organizations. I avoided that precisely because I'd get that kind of response. I do not conser organizations like the Sierra Club an extreme, never kill type of association.

Funny that I've never seen other article sources here questioned as much as the one I posted. I doubt that any came from a 100% unbiased site, yet they all have been good enough to back the poster POV. Until now.

As for the benefit of the doubt phrase, I said it because we really don't do that much here in this thread. Even Hillary has been sometimes harshly questioned. So I wondered why SP was to get a diffrerent treatment.

No one is saying they agree with it...on the contrary we have stated to opposite. Just that we have not herd both sides the way we would like to make a better call. And if and when we do I doubt any one here will like it but we may understand her method of madness (as so many like to call it) better.:thumbsup2

I am surprised that there has not been a run on it from the news as much as it should have. My take on that is that the media and Obama find that there is reasoning behind it so there for not worthy enough to slam home. If it was just her being a animal killer for the fun of it than Obama would in my opinion would have used that to pull at all the animal lovers heart strings to get there votes. I know I would.
 
But I am voting for McCain not because of Palin, I really wish McCain would have picked Lieberman, but even though I don't care for Palin the other choice is too shady so McCain it is.

I would have voted for McCain had he picked Lieberman (or even Ridge whom I don't particularly like) but pretty much everything SP stands for is abhorrent to me. That said, the choice on the other side is appalling as well, so here I sit. Undecided. :confused3
 
I would have voted for McCain had he picked Lieberman (or even Ridge whom I don't particularly like) but pretty much everything SP stands for is abhorrent to me. That said, the choice on the other side is appalling as well, so here I sit. Undecided. :confused3

Lieberman would have been nice for me also. But as for the REP base not so good. And that is who he needed to round up. He lost many a HS with Palin for sure. And many of them are left(no pun intended) in your situation.

All we can hope for is that who ever is chosen we are not let down AGAIN! I would not want to be Obama or MccAin going in with this mess...could you imagine :scared:
 
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First I want to say I am a vegetarian, no hunting in my blood --- I do not LIKE hunting BUT as I am getting older I do understand that hunting is a way of life for some families. Some families hunt to eat, although I don't LIKE it, I guess I can understand it. Does that make sense?

Now with this whole Palin & wolf hunting, at first I was disgusted with it, but then I researched and research BOTH sides of the story (not just from PETA or another liberal media). Palin is not just out there killing to kill, there is a reason. As far as from the airplanes, you ahve to remember Alaska is a different world. Some parts are very remote and the only way to travel is by air or sled.
Now what is the difference that Palin is doing what people in the lower states do to coyatoes or deer? I thought I heard states like Wyoming and other western state have paid for coyatoes that are killed? (someone correct me if I am wrong)My state will every so often will have open hunting for deer (to help control the population is what is being told) and this is not just during regular hunting season, but something separate time. What is the difference????
Why not the outrage over that, is it because a wolf's life is more important then a deer's? Or is it just because people like to find something to hate about Palin?

Grant it I do not agree with her 100%, probably not even quite 50%, but I can not hate her because of the wolf hunting and this is coming from a vegetarian who has never, ever even thought about shooting an animal.

I'm sorry jacksonsmom but that is a load. of. crap. I don't have to prove my qualifications or what issues I've previously supported in order to justify my disgust over a candidates stand.

By yours and Disuncs definition any article that supports protecting the wolves is biased. And it's kind of funny the outrage now over the sources when there have been articles posted her from all range of biased sources. Exactly what source would meet your approval?

It's funny. I point out that I think someone is being hypocritical over the way they judge two different candidates. Suddenly I get ridiculed over "sources" and accused of faking outrage over an issue. That sounds an awful lot like the stuff the OS were pulling.
 
I'm sorry jacksonsmom but that is a load. of. crap. I don't have to prove my qualifications or what issues I've previously supported in order to justify my disgust over a candidates stand.

By yours and Disuncs definition any article that supports protecting the wolves is biased. And it's kind of funny the outrage now over the sources when there have been articles posted her from all range of biased sources. Exactly what source would meet your approval?

It's funny. I point out that I think someone is being hypocritical over the way they judge two different candidates. Suddenly I get ridiculed over "sources" and accused of faking outrage over an issue. That sounds an awful lot like the stuff the OS were pulling.

WHOA! I never said you are faking. I understand the outrage, I was there too until I look at it from both sides. I still do not like it and nope, I don't support it but it isn't at the top of MY outrageous things about Palin.

I never complained about your sources either. I just said sometimes things ARE one-sided, I mean I don't think anyone would argue that fact?
It took me a lot of digging about Palin and the wolf hunting, because yes I was outraged!
But although there is truth to those sources you linked, by my research I found that isn't quite the whole story. And with that information I found FOR ME is the wolf hunting was not a big outrageous issue against Palin it once was FOR ME! If it is still for you, then that is YOUR opinion and you have that right, but I am just trying to tell you why I don't share the same feeling. What's the harm in that?
I never once said Palin doesn't support wolf hunts, she does and that is a fact no one can argue.

For me I can live with a vote for a VP that supports wolf hunting, even if I personally don't agree with it, then a vote for President who is corrupt and shady, not to mention extremely inexperienced to boot.
 
Man did ya ever wanna slap an Obama supporter...they can really drive ya nuts( talking only about neurotic OS). Today when I went to the mall into the food court to the Candy store with my son to get candy for his science project we decided to have some pizza.

Well we were sitting there and they had the TV on in there on CNN and there were many sitting around eating and watching. Well one couple were talking about what McCain was doing and why. She said 'Anyone that votes for McCain is a complete and utter idiot"...well not being able to stop myself I said " well I'm a Hillary Supporter voting for McCain"...

This lady if she and her DH(think it was her DH) had a gun I would be dead....she started yelling at me :eek: and saying that I am stupid and people like me should not be allowed to vote because me and people like me will end use up in a nuclear war.....than she said that I must be a terrible mother and not care about my child sitting nest to me because if I did than I would vote for Change and hope....

I looked at her and smiled and said " thank you for your information" than looked at her DH and said "Sir you best keep a close eye on your wife because when McCain wins she may just very well have a heart attack" and I mean that. There is no reason for her to go off on me like that. And it is not healthy.

I handled it with dignity and my son said to me(he is 11) Mom that lady has issues ...he laughed and said....she needs anger management :rotfl2: I started laughing and said...your right and went on to explain that this election as mentioned to him before has many people very passionate about the issues and how we are all so tired how everything has been run. And so on and so on.

Dh ran into the same situation at a dinner meeting last week with 2 out of the 5 men throwing there arms up and yelling about how can anyone vote for McCain....they were turning all red as the 3 others that were voting for McCain just sat there and calmly watched...the 2 men stormed out of the meeting. DH was floored and could not believe it. He has hered me talk about things on the boards but he does not follow politics at all like I do.


What is up with so many OS ....why are they having so many melt downs :confused3 when it comes to other s that dont vote there way.
 
I am not a Hunter! I do have Animals. I dont understand how anybody can hurt a animal, BUT I do understand that in certain aspects Hunting is a necessary evil. I have deer all over my property,I live in the mountains. I put apple, corns...etc for them to eat everyday. In the winter after it snows I have "the Spot" for them.

However, I know that if there was no hunting of Deer, I would have maybe 100's of Deer running into my house all day long. But it aint me killing them.


Maybe this will be brought up at the debate? She got some 'splaining to do.

I think it should be brought up, either in a debate or by a Reporter. I really want to hear Palins side of the issue.

I just do not understand ANYTHING about Palin. This is he best that McCain could come up with? :confused3 .
Palin was chosen for ONE thing only...To REV up the Republican Conservative base. She did that. On the other hand she turned many Independents off.
We will know the outcome on 11/5.

Anyway, Biden is a very smart man and a good debater. She is toast in any debate with him..
I never seen her debate? But I wont be suprised if the VP debates get a HIGHER rating then the P Debates.:lmao:

OTOH, I really don't get hunting at all, so aerial or on foot really doesn't matter to me. The poor animal suffers no matter what. I really don't now enough about the issues involved to make an informed opinion.
Neither do I. That is why I will also give her the benfit of the doubt.
What do Brooklyn Boys know about Hunting?:confused3

Disunc, I have to tell you this is the first time I've actually been disappointed reading one of your posts. Your insistance in giving Palin "benefit of the doubt" on an issue that's pretty clearly documented is really a stretch.

Palin's actions in the aerial wolf hunting speak louder then any words out of a politicians mouth. If she had a reasonable explanation - don't you think she would have made it by now?

I come from a family of hunters, I understand the value of hunting in controlling animal populations. I don't like it, but I get it. But it's been clearly documented that aeral hunting is not necessary, it's cruel, and inhumane and most of all, it's not ecologically smart or necessary.

Beyond all that, it is blatantly obvious that Palin isn't acting in ways that represent the majority of the citizens she's supposed to represent or the legal system she's supposed to up hold. So how much hope do we have that she'll abide by those things should she (heaven forbid) wind up as POTUS?

ETA: I just had to come back to this because I'm not sure I explained my self clearly.

Disunc, you have consistently complained that Obama lacked a record, that all he had were his speeches. (A criticism I totally agree with BTW) But now, when you're presented with Palin's record you decide to "give her the benefit of the doubt until she talks about it" Can you not see how hypocritical that stance is?

Don't get me wrong, I still think Obama is a slimy scum sucking pig. and I think the same thing about McCain/Palin. But that doesn't make hypocrisy any tastier.

Sorry!:flower3:
But ME not knowing what this is all about, The SLEW of negative Press that came out about Palin & her family, and these articles were biased (they went into great detail of Wolf history, etc) and not very clearly written.....does leave me to scratch my head.

I REALLY want to know why the $150? This dont make any sense too me.

Got Disney";27778383]I hate hunting or killing of anything. I am not a gun lover either. However....I have to agree with some of what DISUNC says. The articles are one sided and would like to here her say more on the issue of why. I try to avoid reading articles that are from the SPCA or PITA because they never tell the whole story just there side of it. I am an animal lover and we save bees out of our pool even if we are sitting down watching TV we get up go outside and save them......we scoop up ants in the house and any other bug and put them outside...so I hate the killing or dying of anything. I don't like the killing of deer either but get it's reasoning. We may hate the ideas of the wolves being killed and so may many other animal lovers in the state....I want to here more about it from her before passing judgement on her for it. Reading one sided articles from animal lovers will not do it for me. Just as reading one sided articles on a liberal thread or a republican thread or news media or news paper articles is the whole truth what it is...one sided. There are many things from all the candidates I don't agree with or like....As for POTUS McCain for me is the best choice and he is moire a Moderate....Palin is to far right for my taste. Obama is not right for me and he and Biden are to far left for my taste. And his supporters well...... So there ya have it....my view for the day :lmao:.......and Oh don't forget...live long and prosper :hippie::rotfl2:[/QUOTE] What she said!:thumbsup2 [quote="moon said:
The articles I posted are not from PETA or other Vegetarian type organizations. I avoided that precisely because I'd get that kind of response. I do not conser organizations like the Sierra Club an extreme, never kill type of association.

Funny that I've never seen other article sources here questioned as much as the one I posted. I doubt that any came from a 100% unbiased site, yet they all have been good enough to back the poster POV. Until now. .
I am glad you posted them. Obviously you think they need to be posted and this is good enough for me. But for the reason I stated above, and yesterday...Too me they leave me with more questions than answer any that I have.

Maybe you can answer some. :confused3 Maybe I am missing something here. Heck I've been known to be needing a Hit on the head to understand.:rolleyes1

Why the $150.00?
What about these laws outlawing this type of hunting, yet being overturned 3 times in 8 years?
Why is it just wolves that are allowed to be hunted in this horrid way?


As for the benefit of the doubt phrase, I said it because we really don't do that much here in this thread. Even Hillary has been sometimes harshly questioned. So I wondered why SP was to get a diffrerent treatment.
If you asked me last month who "Sarah Palin" is , I would have said ... I DUNNO :confused3 ! Now a month later, I know her PMS cycle, her DD's PMS cycle, Her DH's friends, Her future SIL # on his Hockey Jersey, Her "leakage" on her flight from Houston to Alaska when she was starting Labor!!!!!!!:scared1: In light of the barrage on negative press against her, I do tend to give her a bit of a break. If I believed EVERYTHING I read about her, she would look like this.

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This is far different then what i read about Palin, just days before her VP nod. The woman had a 90 % approval rating for her consituients.


I'm sorry jacksonsmom but that is a load. of. crap. I don't have to prove my qualifications or what issues I've previously supported in order to justify my disgust over a candidates stand.

By yours and Disuncs definition any article that supports protecting the wolves is biased. And it's kind of funny the outrage now over the sources when there have been articles posted her from all range of biased sources. Exactly what source would meet your approval? .

Again, it's not about the "biased" thing for me only. They are really poorly written articles.
I would like to here from Palin herself, Hunters who participated in this.

It's funny. I point out that I think someone is being hypocritical over the way they judge two different candidates. Suddenly I get ridiculed over "sources" and accused of faking outrage over an issue. That sounds an awful lot like the stuff the OS were pulling.

Please, I dont think anybody is ridiculing you at all, or faking outrage.

I come in Peace!:flower3:
 
I was thinking a lot about yesterday. On 9/11/2001 I expected – as did the rest of America – for our President, our Congress, and our Senate to get back to Washington DC and take care of our crisis. We had thousands of people dead due to a terrorist attack and the attack also impacted our economy. We needed our government back, doing their jobs. We needed our President leading our country and our Congress and Senate writing/passing whatever bills they could in order to help protect our country from further attacks and to try to stabilize the economy after the 9/11 impact.

We are currently on the brink of total financial collapse. This country is once again in a crisis that needs to be addressed. We need all of our senators and our congress coming up with a solution in order to resolve this. In other words – doing their job. I expected three senators to return to Washington to do their jobs and only John McCain did.

The press is trying to spin this, based upon Obama’s prompting, that he (Obama) can “multi-task” and he’s showing great “leadership”. While Obama may be running for President, he’s not currently President but he is currently a US Senator elected by people to represent their interest. Obama would not be “multi-tasking” on the campaign trail. No, he’d be giving pretty speeches and pointing fingers at others to blame them for this mess. His “call me if you need me” attitude does not speak of leadership qualities. For a man who has voted “present” just about more times than he’s actually voted you would think he would have jumped on the opportunity yesterday to return to Washington, do his job, and illustrate true leadership qualities. But, no, he didn’t want to show up until someone else had created a solution and than he would just show up and vote and then own it – like he’s “owned” so many other things that he’s had nothing to do with.

The media can keep spinning this story as much as they like. Yesterday Obama illustrated that campaigning is more important to him than doing his job as a US Senator. He’s always been the one trying to get that higher job title and never doing any work to actually earn it. I’m embarrassed for Obama that he actually had to be called back to Washington by the President.

What’s really sad: if Hillary had been the Democratic nominee, none of yesterday’s drama would have ever occurred. Hillary would have been on that plane with McCain back to Washington to do her job. She’s shown in the past that she cares about the people and works for the people she’s elected to work for. Obama has yet to show that.
 
First of all, I have been a supporter of the Sierra Club for years. They are NOT a radical, "kill-nothing" group by any means.

I will never, EVER support hunting from the air. It's barbaric and cruel IMO and nothing Palin says will convince me otherwise. I do however believe that she might not think it's cruel but I'd like to hear what she has to say.

As for other culling of this type, I am regularly outraged by any of it. I understand it in an oblique way when it's done to help starving animals, keep pets from being attacked and so on but from what I understand the animal population in Alaska is just fine. That's one of many reasons I think that Palin needs to explain her position on this. And it matters a LOT to me.
 
IWhat’s really sad: if Hillary had been the Democratic nominee, none of yesterday’s drama would have ever occurred. Hillary would have been on that plane with McCain back to Washington to do her job. She’s shown in the past that she cares about the people and works for the people she’s elected to work for. Obama has yet to show that.

She would have been in DC since last weekend!:thumbsup2
 
I was thinking a lot about yesterday. On 9/11/2001 I expected – as did the rest of America – for our President, our Congress, and our Senate to get back to Washington DC and take care of our crisis. We had thousands of people dead due to a terrorist attack and the attack also impacted our economy. We needed our government back, doing their jobs. We needed our President leading our country and our Congress and Senate writing/passing whatever bills they could in order to help protect our country from further attacks and to try to stabilize the economy after the 9/11 impact.

We are currently on the brink of total financial collapse. This country is once again in a crisis that needs to be addressed. We need all of our senators and our congress coming up with a solution in order to resolve this. In other words – doing their job. I expected three senators to return to Washington to do their jobs and only John McCain did.

The press is trying to spin this, based upon Obama’s prompting, that he (Obama) can “multi-task” and he’s showing great “leadership”. While Obama may be running for President, he’s not currently President but he is currently a US Senator elected by people to represent their interest. Obama would not be “multi-tasking” on the campaign trail. No, he’d be giving pretty speeches and pointing fingers at others to blame them for this mess. His “call me if you need me” attitude does not speak of leadership qualities. For a man who has voted “present” just about more times than he’s actually voted you would think he would have jumped on the opportunity yesterday to return to Washington, do his job, and illustrate true leadership qualities. But, no, he didn’t want to show up until someone else had created a solution and than he would just show up and vote and then own it – like he’s “owned” so many other things that he’s had nothing to do with.

The media can keep spinning this story as much as they like. Yesterday Obama illustrated that campaigning is more important to him than doing his job as a US Senator. He’s always been the one trying to get that higher job title and never doing any work to actually earn it. I’m embarrassed for Obama that he actually had to be called back to Washington by the President.

What’s really sad: if Hillary had been the Democratic nominee, none of yesterday’s drama would have ever occurred. Hillary would have been on that plane with McCain back to Washington to do her job. She’s shown in the past that she cares about the people and works for the people she’s elected to work for. Obama has yet to show that.

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You summed everything up perfectly.
I 1000% agree with you and what Obama did yesterday speaks volume of him. He is no leader and it just makes me realize that I am voting for the right person to be President...McCain. :thumbsup2
 
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You summed everything up perfectly.
I 1000% agree with you and what Obama did yesterday speaks volume of him. He is no leader and it just makes me realize that I am voting for the right person to be President...McCain. :thumbsup2

me too! I am looking for STABILITY...Not CHANGE!

They just changed my Cable TV channels around...Thrown me into a complete spin!:headache: :lmao:
 
FactCheck org came out today with facts about the Wolf Hunting

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/call_of_the_wild.html


Some Highlights.

A new ad from Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund shows the pursuit and shooting of a wolf from a small plane and tells viewers that Sarah Palin "actively promotes" such killings. It's true that she does, and in 2007 she offered $150 payments for anyone who brought the left forepaw of a wolf to state officials. The ad calls the practice "brutal and unethical" but doesn't tell the whole story.

Alaskan officials call it "predator control," not aerial hunting, and use it to keep the populations of moose and caribou high for subsistence hunters.


The program is limited to just 9 percent of the state's land mass, or five of 26 Department of Fish and Game districts.


Far from being endangered, as they are in the Lower 48 states, gray wolves number between 7,000 and 11,000 in Alaska.

Here are the bare facts: As a gubernatorial candidate, and since she was elected in 2006, Palin has promoted aerial wolf and bear shooting, which is usually done with a two-seat, fixed-wing Piper Super Cub in winter, when the animals can be tracked more easily. In March 2007, Palin's administration announced that it would offer $150 for the foreleg of each freshly killed wolf, in order to encourage hunters. A lawsuit by Defenders of Wildlife and the Alaska Wildlife Alliance prompted a judge to issue a temporary restraining order to stop the payments, and the state backed off.

Palin also proposed legislation in 2007 that would have allowed aerial shooting of wolverines as well as brown bears and wolves, and would have eased some of the requirements the state had to meet before approving airborne "predator control" in a given sector. The bill passed the House but died in Senate committee last spring; Palin has vowed to reintroduce it. So the ad is accurate on that score, as well.

If you think the explanation above implies a more complicated landscape than the ad shows us, you're correct. In the first place, while gray wolves are listed as an endangered species in the Lower 48, and great efforts have been made to reintroduce them in some Western states, they are abundant in Alaska.

Second, it's not for nothing that wolves have acquired their big, bad reputations. Studies indicate that predators (wolves and bears) often take 70 percent to 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die each year in Alaska. Research by the state Department of Fish and Game shows that "a single wolf eats 12-13 moose in a typical year and/or 30-40 caribou, mostly calves." (Whether it's "and" or "or" would seem important, but we'll let that one slide for now.)

Third, the state doesn't refer to the practice as aerial hunting; to Alaska officials, it's "predator control." The federal Airborne Hunting Act, passed in 1971 in response to a national outcry against aerial hunting in Alaska, prohibits shooting at or harassing any bird, fish, or other animal from aircraft. Exceptions are allowed if the federal government or a state finds aerial hunting is needed to protect "land, water, wildlife, livestock, domesticated animals, human life, or crops." In those cases, programs must be developed, individuals must obtain government permits to do the hunting, and state officials must report facts and figures to the feds on a regular basis.

The program exists in large part because the state's intensive game management law puts a premium on efforts to "restore the abundance or productivity of identified big game prey populations as necessary to achieve human consumptive use goals." The "big game prey" in question are the approximately 1 million caribou and 175,000 to 200,000 moose in the state. Subsistence hunters are a major priority in wildlife management in Alaska, although a subsistence hunter is hard to define. Clarke offered some statistics: About 20 percent of Alaska's population, or roughly 135,000 people, is classified as rural. About 92 percent to 100 percent of rural Alaskans use wild fish for food to some extent, and 79 percent to 92 percent use wildlife. Palin, herself a hunter, might live in too urban an area to be included in these statistics, but she has said she eats moose and other game.


State law is so favorable to hunters that it requires the state to have a hunting season before school starts in fall "[f]or the purpose of encouraging adults to take children hunting."

Is the aerial hunting – or predator control – that takes place in Alaska brutal, cruel, unethical savagery, as the ad says? That's a personal judgment call we'll have to leave to our readers. Alaskans themselves remain deeply divided on the issue. "We have knock-down, drag-out debates even within the [Fish and Game] department on these things," said Clarke.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrry Interesting!
 
well looks like the debate is on :thumbsup2I have my popcorn::popcorn ready....and my soda and salsa and chips. :rotfl:my kids are elated because they can be on the computers during the whole debate and sooner.

WE usually have Friday family movie night. But not tonight. DH would rather not watch the debate...he is not into politics like us. The polls will be very interesting over the next few days.

I am glad that there is a slump in the solution that was drawn up in one day...I would not vote on that. The DEMS should not want to do that either because if Obama wins than it will fall blame on them for rushing to push it through...

They had Richard Shelby on and he said that he had a petition of 200 top economists say that the Paulson package will not work.....he also said that there was never a deal ready to pass that it was just a hand full of people saying that that were in the house.

They need to work it out...and I am not buying it that the USA will fall apart if not fixed yesterday. This is to important to just push through at a whim. Lets do it right the first time...not down the road. The boom boom boom lets make decisions is not a secure plan IMO.
 
I am glad the debate is on. I want to see the two of them address foreign policy, but I am more interested in the current economic situation. I wonder if the debate questions will be changed to accommodate for that?

I also do not quite see why McCain deciding to go back to DC is being decried as purely a political stunt. Yes, it was probably based on politics in part, but seriously folks, we are paying both McCain and Obama to be senators, and in this emergency they should do their job instead of running for a new office on our dime.
 

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