Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

[Chuck S]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27917773]
At least since September 8 the extreme left has been pushing a lie that Governor, then Mayor, Sarah Palin "charged rape victims for rape kits" performed upon them in the Alaskan town of Wasilla.
The charge stems from a May 22, 2000 article in the local Wasilla paper The Frontiersman and has been spun from a comment made by the Wasilla Police Chief. This comment was somehow made into a Sarah Palin policy.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Evidence of the incident, though, shows no involvement by Palin at all. Still, many Old Media outlets continue to keep illegitimately linking this rape kit billing claim to Sarah Palin, even though the truth is easily discovered. [/FONT][/QUOTE]


But the quotes I provide ARE from the original Frontiersman article. And they clearly indicate she did not have a clue how her Police Department and her Police Chief were handling these investigations. Again, wouldn't a mayor know this legislation was pending at the state level? Wouldn't a responsible mayor dig a little to see if it will impact her city, and how these investigations were currently being handled? I mean, surely, this legislation didn't just pop up overnight without cause, there had to be one or more cities using this practice. Shouldn't she have known if her city was involved in it or not, and if so, put a stop to it then and there, instead of waiting for the legislation to become law?

Here is a link to the original article

 

["Got Disney"]

But the quotes I provide ARE from the original Frontiersman article. And they clearly indicate she did not have a clue how her Police Department and her Police Chief were handling these investigations. Again, wouldn't a mayor know this legislation was pending at the state level? Wouldn't a responsible mayor dig a little to see if it will impact her city, and how these investigations were currently being handled? I mean, surely, this legislation didn't just pop up overnight without cause, there had to be one or more cities using this practice. Shouldn't she have known if her city was involved in it or not, and if so, put a stop to it then and there, instead of waiting for the legislation to become law?

Here is a link to the original article

The point is is that she did not put forth the bill as said she did.....that is a falsehood......and when she found out about it she got rid of it.

I also want to make it clear again that I am not a Palin fan.and dont like many things about her but I respect her decision to be who she chooses to be and not who I choose her to be....but when I see the Obama camp and media doing her injustice as was done to Hillary it pisses me off. I have no problem with facts being facts...but knowing when she peed last and what color it was and the color is due to her eating cats is to far fetched....no this was not a rumor or layed down as fact I made it up...but with all the other stuff it might as well be.

 

[Chuck S]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27918236]The point is is that she did not put forth the bill as said she did.....that is a falsehood......and when she found out about it she got rid of it.[/QUOTE]


No she didn't get rid of it. The state legislation go rid of it. Her Chief of Police was clearly still using the billing practice until the legislatin became law, stating the new law would cost the taxpayers of the city, not that the mayor was making a change that would cost the city.

 

[LuvDuke]

No she didn't get rid of it. The state legislation go rid of it. Her Chief of Police was clearly still using the billing practice until the legislatin became law, stating the new law would cost the taxpayers of the city, not that the mayor was making a change that would cost the city.

With all due respect, you're wasting your time, Chuck. It boils down to one thing and one thing only: The perception that Hillary got shafted.

Stop right there and it all falls into place.

Carry on.

 

["Got Disney"]

But the quotes I provide ARE from the original Frontiersman article. And they clearly indicate she did not have a clue how her Police Department and her Police Chief were handling these investigations. Again, wouldn't a mayor know this legislation was pending at the state level? Wouldn't a responsible mayor dig a little to see if it will impact her city, and how these investigations were currently being handled? I mean, surely, this legislation didn't just pop up overnight without cause, there had to be one or more cities using this practice. Shouldn't she have known if her city was involved in it or not, and if so, put a stop to it then and there, instead of waiting for the legislation to become law?

Here is a link to the original article

The Fronterman is one that was stating wrong information.....read my artical again....

No she didn't get rid of it. The state legislation go rid of it. Her Chief of Police was clearly still using the billing practice until the legislatin became law, stating the new law would cost the taxpayers of the city, not that the mayor was making a change that would cost the city.

This is wrong....you got this out of the Fronterman that was being blamed for false info....here is another article.....

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA1YWM5ZjM2ZTU5ODliZTY2NTczMGUwZWYwNTVlMTQ=

 

["Got Disney"]

With all due respect, you're wasting your time, Chuck. It boils down to one thing and one thing only: The perception that Hillary got shafted.

Stop right there and it all falls into place.

Carry on.

Thank you LVDUKE but we are doing just fine here...we are having a nice debate over some info....we dont need your 2 cents in the conversation trying to make trouble.

and it is up to chuck to decide for himself if he is wasting his time.....not for you to do that for him.

 

[LuvDuke]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27918966]Thank you LVDUKE but we are doing just fine here...we are having a nice debate over some info....we dont need your 2 cents in the conversation trying to make trouble.

and it is up to chuck to decide for himself if he is wasting his time.....not for you to do that for him.[/QUOTE]

FYI, this is a public BB and you don't get to pick and choose who decides to stop in or who decides to put in their $0.02. If you don't like who stops in, use your ignore function. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.

And I believe Chuck can speak for himself. IMO, he is wasting time. But, indeed it is his time to waste.

 

["Got Disney"]

FYI, this is a public BB and you don't get to pick and choose who decides to stop in or who decides to put in their $0.02. If you don't like who stops in, use your ignore function. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.

And I believe Chuck can speak for himself. IMO, he is wasting time. But, indeed it is his time to waste.

Funny how you OS always say it is a free forum right after you say something that is not nice......that is old ....come up with a new line when you want to make trouble.....

And by the way how about that pizza and beer

 

[jacksonsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27919252]Funny how you OS always say it is a free forum right after you say something that is not nice......that is old ....come up with a new line when you want to make trouble.....

And by the way how about that pizza and beer [/QUOTE]

Got Disney, remember DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

 

[Chuck S]

Uhhh, the article from lifenews does NOT indicate that the Frontiersman article is incorrect and not factual. It indicates that the orignal info that appeared in the Wasilla Frontiersman article about the police chief was later spun by Palin's opponents. Not that the Frontiersman article itself was a spin.

THis is from your own post

The charge stems from a May 22, 2000 article in the local Wasilla paper The Frontiersman and has been spun from a comment made by the Wasilla Police Chief. This comment was somehow made into a Sarah Palin policy.

Nothing indicates the comment in the Frontiersman was quoted incorrectly or out of context, but that other Palin opponents incorrectly based their spin on the article.

 

["Got Disney"]

Got Disney, remember DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

Oh man does that mean I cant have Beer and pizza with her ...but but I love LVDUKE

 

["Got Disney"]

Uhhh, the article from lifenews does NOT indicate that the Frontiersman article is incorrect and not factual. It indicates that the orignal info that appeared in the Wasilla Frontiersman article about the police chief was later spun by Palin's opponents. Not that the Frontiersman article itself was a spin.

THis is from your own post

Nothing indicates the comment in the Frontiersman was quoted incorrectly or out of context, but that other Palin opponents incorrectly based their spin on the article.

But it is...the paper spun info that was not true about what the police officer said....

 

[Chuck S]

OK, here is the entire article from the Frontiersman. It does not even mention Palin. Tell me what part of it is untrue and spun in this article:

Knowles signs sexual assault bill


JO C. GOODE / The Frontiersman / May 23, 2000


ANCHORAGE - Gov. Tony Knowles recently signed legislation protecting victims of sexual assault from being billed for tests to collect evidence of the crime, but one local police chief said the new law will further burden taxpayers.


The governor signed House Bill 270, sponsored by Rep. Eric Croft, D-Anchorage, outside the Sexual Assault Response Team (SART) exam room at Alaska Regional Hospital. In attendance at the signing were members of victims advocate groups, law enforcement agencies and legislators.


The new law makes it illegal for any law enforcement agency to bill victims or victims insurance companies for the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur.


We would never bill the victim of a burglary for fingerprinting and photographing the crime scene, or for the cost of gathering other evidence, Knowles said. Nor should we bill rape victims just because the crime scene happens to be their bodies.


While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.


Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.


In the past weve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just dont want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.


According to Fannon, the new law will cost the Wasilla Police Department approximately $5,000 to $14,000 a year to collect evidence for sexual assault cases.


Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.


The forensic exam is just one part of the equation. Id like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things, Fannon said.


Fannon said he intends to include the cost of exams required to collect evidence in a restitution request as a part of a criminals sentencing.


Palmer police chief Laren Zager said that to his knowledge, no sexual assault victim has ever been billed by the city of Palmer for an exam to collect evidence of a crime. Zager, who has been police chief since January, said he would never expect a victim to be burdened with the cost of a police investigation.


Im prepared to pay every dime in an investigation. As long as I am chief, I would never bill a victim, Zager said.


The new bill would also make law enforcement agencies that are investigating a sexual assault responsible for the costs of testing victims for sexually transmitted diseases and emergency contraception.

Then tell me how it is unreasonable to extrapolate the following from the article:

Again, wouldn't a mayor know this legislation was pending at the state level? Wouldn't a responsible mayor dig a little to see if it will impact her city, and how these investigations were currently being handled? I mean, surely, this legislation didn't just pop up overnight without cause, there had to be one or more cities using this practice. Shouldn't she have known if her city was involved in it or not, and if so, put a stop to it then and there, instead of waiting for the legislation to become law?

Isn't it part of a mayor's responsibility to know if pending laws before the state legislature will affect their city? Or are you saying she either a)was an incompetent mayor or b)was simply terribly ignorant about how state laws could affect her city, and chose not to keep up with what was going on at state level?

 

["Got Disney"]

OK, here is the entire article from the Frontiersman. It does not even mention Palin. Tell me what part of it is untrue and spun in this article:



Then tell me how it is unreasonable to extrapolate the following from the article:



Isn't it part of a mayor's responsibility to know if pending laws before the state legislature will affect their city? Or are you saying she either a)was an incompetent mayor or b)was simply terribly ignorant about how state laws could affect her city, and chose not to keep up with what was going on at state level?

That's my point it is spun off of what the officer said....not what palin did.

and no I am not saying that either....I am not debating that....I am debating the fact that she did not make the law.....as said she did....she is not the one that was responsible for that bill....

it was brought into this thread that how could we vote for someone that would charge woman for a rape kit...my debate is that she didn't and she was not responsible for making the bill.

And I am not voting for her I am voting for McCain. I am not happy that he picked her but I am also not happy that Obama picked Biden. and I like Biden. But his gaffs and the fact that he was so against Obama and felt he was not ready to be POTUS and that he felt strongly about him not being POTUS and stated why is enough for me to not believe anything Biden says about Obama in this campaign.

However with that said....what else can we debate in a nice calm matter as we have been....

 

[Chuck S]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27920155]
And I am not voting for her I am voting for McCain. [/QUOTE]

It could easily be one and the same, if McCain can't fulfil his term.

Remember, no one voted for Ford, not even as a VP, and he was still President.

 

["Got Disney"]

It could easily be one and the same, if McCain can't fulfil his term.

Remember, no one voted for Ford, not even as a VP, and he was still President.

yes you are correct....and I dont think she is ready for that....but that does not mean she cant or wont be. She will not get to far with a senate that has the DEm majority. Obama is full of book knowledge and has no real experience ...but he will if he is POTUS...if she becomes VP she will learn as Obama will have to.


so as for experiancee they both have some work to do ....

 

[LakeAriel]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27920476]yes you are correct....and I dont think she is ready for that....but that does not mean she cant or wont be. She will not get to far with a senate that has the DEm majority. Obama is full of book knowledge and has no real experience ...but he will if he is POTUS...if she becomes VP she will learn as Obama will have to.


as for experience they both have some work to do ....[/QUOTE]

On the job training..Hmmmm Yes, all new Presidents require it. Now tell me..after reading this can you honestly say they are on a level playing field??

What is Barack Obama's education?


He received a B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

Sarah Plain:

What is Sarah Palin's education?


She received her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho and attended the following schools

Hawaii Pacific University (Fall 1982),
North Idaho College (Spring 1983 & Fall 1983),
University of Idaho (Fall 1984 - Spring 1985),
Matanuska-Susitna College (Fall 1985) and
University of Idaho (Spring 1986, Fall 1986 and Spring 1987 ).

 

["Got Disney"]

On the job training..Hmmmm Yes, all new Presidents require it. Now tell me..after reading this can you honestly say they are on a level playing field??

What is Barack Obama's education?


He received a B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

Sarah Plain:

What is Sarah Palin's education?


She received her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho and attended the following schools

Hawaii Pacific University (Fall 1982),
North Idaho College (Spring 1983 & Fall 1983),
University of Idaho (Fall 1984 - Spring 1985),
Matanuska-Susitna College (Fall 1985) and
University of Idaho (Spring 1986, Fall 1986 and Spring 1987 ).

So she is not a lawyer I have a masters in Nursing ....from UCSC.....does that make me smarter than Obama or Palin....No

She has her education in Communications/Journalism....he in Law and me in Nursing......I could no sooner do there jobs as they could not do mine without more education.

And I have a Masters Degree......does that make me smarter than Obama or Palin...i think not.

Obama and Palin both have a lot to learn...they are both smart people and will be quick learners......But we are only talking about her as VP ...he will be POTUS...I understand your saying that if she had to be POTUS....
But we are also talking about Obama as POTUS....

This is my take on it......As for the position of POTUS....McCain has more experience than Obama...

As for the VP slot...Biden has more experience than Biden....

In politics there is not 100% ...they will all be in new positions and need to learn something new.....like I always said about going for a New nursing job in a different hospital...

You can know so much yet know so little.....meaning that every time I went into a new Hospital I new what to do as Charge Nurse yet....each staff and hospital is run differently.....so in that respect i knew nothing and needed to learn and learn quickly...

No matter who's Ego gets to be the POTUS or VP...it won't be an easy job.....

 

[Took]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27921758]So she is not a lawyer I have a masters in Nursing ....from UCSC.....does that make me smarter than Obama or Palin....No

She has her education in Communications/Journalism....he in Law and me in Nursing......I could no sooner do there jobs as they could not do mine without more education.

And I have a Masters Degree......does that make me smarter than Obama or Palin...i think not.

Obama and Palin both have a lot to learn...they are both smart people and will be quick learners......But we are only talking about her as VP ...he will be POTUS...I understand your saying that if she had to be POTUS....
But we are also talking about Obama as POTUS....

This is my take on it......As for the position of POTUS....McCain has more experience than Obama...

As for the VP slot...Biden has more experience than Biden....

In politics there is not 100% ...they will all be in new positions and need to learn something new.....like I always said about going for a New nursing job in a different hospital...

You can know so much yet know so little.....meaning that every time I went into a new Hospital I new what to do as Charge Nurse yet....each staff and hospital is run differently.....so in that respect i knew nothing and needed to learn and learn quickly...

No matter who's Ego gets to be the POTUS or VP...it won't be an easy job.....[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but being POTUS is not just about intelligence and not all education is equally helpful for preparing one for the job. A journalism degree absolutely does nothing to qualify one to lead a nation. A law degree does. Whatever one thinks of lawyers, it must be admitted that knowledge of the law and its workings is essential to executing the law (the job of the POTUS as defined in the constitution). Moreover, BO's training is in constitutional law.

Good heavens, what's so complicated or AWFUL about just admitting that he's more qualified intellectually. Skip that issue and focus on platform/issues. I'm sure most palin supporters will vote for her b/c they agree with her stance on important issues; the same is certainly true for those supporting obama/biden.

But, please, don't try to equate a journalism degree with a law degree (or even a nursing degree--DSis is a nurse and SIL has a phD in nursing and those degrees take REAL work!). Palin has a light educational background. Period.

 

["Got Disney"]

Sorry, but being POTUS is not just about intelligence and not all education is equally helpful for preparing one for the job. A journalism degree absolutely does nothing to qualify one to lead a nation. A law degree does. Whatever one thinks of lawyers, it must be admitted that knowledge of the law and its workings is essential to executing the law (the job of the POTUS as defined in the constitution). Moreover, BO's training is in constitutional law.

Good heavens, what's so complicated or AWFUL about just admitting that he's more qualified intellectually. Skip that issue and focus on platform/issues. I'm sure most palin supporters will vote for her b/c they agree with her stance on important issues; the same is certainly true for those supporting obama/biden.

But, please, don't try to equate a journalism degree with a law degree (or even a nursing degree--DSis is a nurse and SIL has a phD in nursing and those degrees take REAL work!). Palin has a light educational background. Period.

That does not mean he will make a good POTUS...many smart men were not so good Presidents. My point was that she is not a stupid woman and they both lack the expericnce they need to do there jobs at this time. I said that before and than the education stuff was posted.

He could have writen the constitution and that does not mean that because he did it that he will be a good POTUS.

They are both smart people ....and capable of learning on the JOB as they will have to.

and by the way...i was stating that it is not all about intellegance..it was LVDUKE that was saying it was by posting there education and who was smarter/intellegent...did you miss that part....