Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27554301]I have never done that ever...I don't ever come in there to say "Hay I came in here to tell you I am not voting for Obama"....I have come in there when I have stated in here, that I was not voting ,or not sure if I was going to or not and you and LUVDUKE go back into your thread after reading what I said in here and tell everyone what I said and twisting my words to suit your purpose....so please get it right.

You OS hate....yes hate anyone that has a different point of view than Obama's. You cant get over why other people in the US have a different point of view that your own. It gets so under your skins that you cant stomach it. You cant stand anyone making fun or saying anything against Obama....There are more people that don't like Obama than do....

There are REP and Ind and HS that don't like him. There are HS and Ind that feel forced to vote for him because they don't like Palin... not so much McCain but Palin. The best thing that happened to him was Palin because many that were going to vote McCain turned to Obama as the worst of the 2 evils. The only problem is that Palin lit a fire under the REP base and brought many REP out of the wood work....

So like it or not Obama is not the king of kings....only the best choice in your eyes and the far left of the OS that have been there from the beginning....and yes this is my opinion...take it or leave it...I don't care.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much every time you posted on the Obama thread you made sure to mention you were not voting for him. That's not twisting your words and its not hateful to point out the truth.

Talk about twisting words -- I have made it very clear Obama was not my first or second choice and he barely edged out Hillary as my third choice. I don't praise him, don't defend every one of his slip ups. Pretty much made it clear though I like him, the main reason I am voting for him is because of the issues (you know the same ones that Hillary was for).

You decry the "hatred" of the OS but then go into the ******** messiah-kool-aid mantra.

 

["Got Disney"]

this is funny......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRVQ4xwwmQ

 

["Got Disney"]

Pretty much every time you posted on the Obama thread you made sure to mention you were not voting for him. That's not twisting your words and its not hateful to point out the truth.

Talk about twisting words -- I have made it very clear Obama was not my first or second choice and he barely edged out Hillary as my third choice. I don't praise him, don't defend every one of his slip ups. Pretty much made it clear though I like him, the main reason I am voting for him is because of the issues (you know the same ones that Hillary was for).

You decry the "hatred" of the OS but then go into the ******** messiah-kool-aid mantra.

Sorry but you are wrong...because I did not truly decide not to vote for him till yesterday. I had come in there and said that I was 50/50 and you took it as no way no how Obama. Last week it was 80/20 ...20 for Obama or should I say DEM party...than my 20% changed to a no Obama vote. I was undecided for a long time and was hoping that he would tell me something that I needed to here....it never came.

I am know voting for McCain....however.....the debates could change all that also. I won't know for sure what I will do till I am standing in the voting booth. But I will say that if I do vote Obama it wont be for Obama it will be that the DEM side got the best of me at that moment.

I also don't hate Obama....but I do see him as a man and nothing else.

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27554972]Sorry but you are wrong...because I did not truly decide not to vote for him till yesterday. I had come in there and said that I was 50/50 and you took it as no way no how Obama. Last week it was 80/20 ...20 for Obama or should I say DEM party...than my 20% changed to a no Obama vote. I was undecided for a long time and was hoping that he would tell me something that I needed to here....it never came.

I am know voting for McCain....however.....the debates could change all that also. I won't know for sure what I will do till I am standing in the voting booth. But I will say that if I do vote Obama it wont be for Obama it will be that the DEM side got the best of me at that moment.[/QUOTE]

The thing with the debates is that the Dems and Repubs get together and decide together exactly what questions will be asked. The whole thing is orchestrated for each side to minimize any damage to and to get their soundbites out.

I can guarantee you will not hear anything new from either side.

http://www.opendebates.org/theissue/candidatecontrol.html

 

["Got Disney"]

The thing with the debates is that the Dems and Repubs get together and decide together exactly what questions will be asked. The whole thing is orchestrated for each side to minimize any damage to and to get their soundbites out.

I can guarantee you will not hear anything new from either side.

http://www.opendebates.org/theissue/candidatecontrol.html

maybe not but to watch them over and over depending on how I feel at the time and things that happen in between the debates...like adds and such could sway me to a total no vote and I could write in Mickey mouse. I am tired of this election and tired of feeling like a push me pull me.

My vote will go one way or the other....McCain , Obama, No vote(not going to the polls), or Mickey mouse, or Hillary. I have never not voted and if I get there and cant make up my mind than I will write in a name.

It has been a difficult decision for me and am not taking it lightly...my values, beliefs, this country, my children, the war, the economy, everything. Being a moderate liberal is much harder than being a liberal or a republican. I can be brought both ways. For me Hillary was a no brainer as Obama is for you.

 

[JARNJ3]

But I think it really did work for Obama against Hillary. I think that many voters turned to Obama because he ran a positive campaign and not the "politics as usual" campaign of Clinton.

I still think he can fight back without going negative. You don't have to fight dirty to get your point across and it's not "negative" IMO to point out the lies and half truths of your opponent.

Totally agree.

It worked because it was a democratic primary. We democrats seem to be moved to vote on the issues.

What Hillary did was run a general election campaign against Obama during the primary.

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27555243]maybe not but to watch them over and over depending on how I feel at the time and things that happen in between the debates...like adds and such could sway me to a total no vote and I could write in Mickey mouse. I am tired of this election and tired of feeling like a push me pull me.

My vote will go one way or the other....McCain , Obama, No vote(not going to the polls), or Mickey mouse, or Hillary. I have never not voted and if I get there and cant make up my mind than I will write in a name.

It has been a difficult decision for me and am not taking it lightly...my values, beliefs, this country, my children, the war, the economy, everything. Being a moderate liberal is much harder than being a liberal or a republican. I can be brought both ways. For me Hillary was a no brainer as Obama is for you.[/QUOTE]


Actually Obama was not a no brainer for me until I voted for him in the primary. I really wanted to vote for Kucinich. I agonized between him and Hillary. But in the end, it is a no brainer for me to vote Democratic. I simply believe in almost every issue in the Democratic platform and disagree with almost every issue in the Republican platform

 

[robinb]

It worked because it was a democratic primary. We democrats seem to be moved to vote on the issues.

What Hillary did was run a general election campaign against Obama during the primary.

But who are the ads for anyway? The people who have not made up their minds. I don't know about you, but at the end of a nasty campaign I don't want to vote FOR either candidate. I really think it's to Obama's advantage if can keep his cool in the face of negative ads.

 

["Got Disney"]

But who are the ads for anyway? The people who have not made up their minds. I don't know about you, but at the end of a nasty campaign I don't want to vote FOR either candidate. I really think it's to Obama's advantage if can keep his cool in the face of negative ads.

I agree....like I said when he uses the neg adds it gets me more angry at him than McCain because he was going to be "A different kind of candidate" and not go there......it just puts him in the same catagory as any other politician and IMO makes him look like he lied about that.

I remember him saying that there is no need to run a campain like that even if the other one finds the need he won't stoop that low......
so what happened

He needs to get off of Palin and concentrate on the issues and keep saying....sorry won't play that game...however without insults to the other candidate...state what he feels have been misrepresentations....not using the word lies(that would make him look like the better candidate you can trust) and set the record straight without a jab here or there...and move on.

Let McCain go there...show everyone that what he said from the begging he meant ......he has flip flopped so much I have lost tract.

 

[JARNJ3]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27556539]I agree....like I said when he uses the neg adds it gets me more angry at him than McCain because he was going to be "A different kind of candidate" and not go there......it just puts him in the same catagory as any other politician and IMO makes him look like he lied about that.

I remember him saying that there is no need to run a campain like that even if the other one finds the need he won't stoop that low......
so what happened

He needs to get off of Palin and concentrate on the issues and keep saying....sorry won't play that game...however without insults to the other candidate...state what he feels have been misrepresentations....not using the word lies(that would make him look like the better candidate you can trust) and set the record straight without a jab here or there...and move on.

Let McCain go there...show everyone that what he said from the begging he meant ......he has flip flopped so much I have lost tract.[/QUOTE]

I agree he needs to still run his positive campaign and ads along with it.

But he HAS TO respond to the negative UNTRUE McCain ads - or they become accepted as the truth. This happened to Gore and Kerry - their response to the attack ads were weak - and the electorate mistakenly thought Bush was tough guy.......

 

[Planogirl]

I agree he needs to still run his positive campaign and ads along with it.

But he HAS TO respond to the negative UNTRUE McCain ads - or they become accepted as the truth. This happened to Gore and Kerry - their response to the attack ads were weak - and the electorate mistakenly thought Bush was tough guy.......

I agree that he has to respond and he has to do so forcefully without becoming nasty. Not easy but doable.

 

[JARNJ3]

Just thought I'd share an article of what Hillary's been up too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091402190_pf.html

Clinton in Ohio: 'Who Is for You?'
McCain Thanks NASCAR Drivers for Supporting the Troops

By Lois Romano and Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, September 15, 2008; A02

ELYRIA, Ohio, Sept. 14 -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday made a pair of campaign stops in this important battleground for former rival Sen. Barack Obama, generating large, passionate crowds -- and barely mentioning Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

"This election is going to be a game changer," an energized Clinton (D-N.Y.) said. "We have the opportunity to go beyond the failed policies of the last eight years. I hear a lot of talk about this election, people asking, 'Who are you for?' That's not right question. The right question is: 'Who is for you?' "

Clinton mentioned Palin just twice in speeches here and in Akron, in one instance repeating an earlier line: "No way, no how, no McCain and no Palin."

Since the Republican convention, Clinton has pointedly avoided directly criticizing Palin as she campaigns for Obama (D-Ill.), a strategy endorsed by the Obama campaign. The goal, Obama campaign strategists said, is to refocus the race on Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and to avoid a clash between the two women. Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.), who has been overshadowed since Palin's selection, is expected to add to that effort with sharper attacks against McCain this week.

Palin remained in the headlines on Sunday even as she spent the day in Denver without any public events. The Alaska governor has been spending her down time with McCain staffers and former aides to President Bush preparing for her next interview -- with conservative radio host Sean Hannity on Tuesday -- and for the vice presidential debate on Oct. 2.

McCain attended a NASCAR event in New Hampshire, where he met with drivers before the race. "Thank you for your support for the men and women in the military," McCain told the drivers. "When I'm in Iraq and Afghanistan, they're watching you. You are their role model."

Obama did not have any public events Sunday, but his campaign continued its recent effort to discredit both members of the Republican ticket. Obama aides mocked the McCain campaign after Palin on Friday misstated how much Alaska contributes to the national energy supply, a day after McCain said she "knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America."

Palin said Alaska provides 20 percent of the national supply, but the Obama campaign circulated an assessment by the nonpartisan FactCheck.org saying that that assertion is "not true, not even close," with Alaska providing 3.5 percent.

Both Obama and Palin will spend part of this week in a handful of Western battlegrounds. Obama will campaign in Grand Junction and Pueblo, Colo., on Monday and then has stops in New Mexico and Nevada, where Palin held a rally Saturday night. Obama plans to target Latino voters and women on his swing, while Palin has been emphasizing her kinship with the Western ethos.

At a campaign stop in Carson City, Nev., on Saturday night, Palin played up the lifestyle similarities between her state and Nevada. She mentioned that her husband, Todd, is a pilot, and that they named their third daughter Piper after his plane. She praised Chuck Yeager as the first pilot to break the sound barrier, adding that maybe now a woman can break another glass ceiling -- ascending to the second-highest office in the country. She noted that the event site was, at other times, a roller hockey rink.

"I think I'm looking at a whole lot of hockey moms for McCain here!" Palin said.

Campaigning on her own, Palin drew thousands to her appearance, though the crowd appeared to be well smaller than the 10,000 that Nevada Lt. Gov. Brian K. Krolicki declared were there. (A McCain campaign aide had said about 3,500 were expected.)

In Ohio, more than 1,000 supporters waited in line for hours to cram into the stuffy atrium of a community college to listen to Clinton, with hundreds more ushered into an overflow auditorium.

While supporters were mixed about whether Clinton should directly assail Palin's views on issues that affect women, they were adamant that no Clinton supporter would back Palin.

"They couldn't be more different," Barbara Price said. "It's important everyone know the facts, because the facts have to win out--and Hillary stands for working people and so does Obama."

Of course, Price added, Obama "would have had a better go of it had he picked Hillary for his running mate."

 

["Got Disney"]

Thanks for the article...always like your articles.

As for as who I decide to vote for it wont really matter at this point because Ca. is a DEM state and shows Obama a clear winner here. Also we are not a swing state so our votes will mean squat.


Although this state did vote in Arnold who is a Republican. Looks like Barbara Boxer will be running against him.

Seems these days the only safe place to keep your money is in your mattress

 

[Chuck S]

I know it would probably never happen, but after the primaries and conventions are over, I'd like to see anyone running for President and VP be forced to immediately resign any current public office they hold, and not be able to run back to that job if they lose the general election and not allow them to be appointed to the position of Senator or Representative by a governor. They would have to wait, and run for that office again in the next election.

Meaning McCain, Obama, and Biden would no longer be Senators, and Palin would no longer be a current governor. As honestly, there is no way for them for fulfill the obligations of those offices and still run a full blown POTUS/VP campaign. It would also indicate, without that cushion of continued service in the Senate or as Governor, that thy are truly committed to being POTUS or VP, rather than "Oh, well, if I lose, I'll still be a Senator, or Governor, or whatever."

 

[jacksonsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27591638]Thanks for the article...always like your articles.

As for as who I decide to vote for it wont really matter at this point because Ca. is a DEM state and shows Obama a clear winner here. Also we are not a swing state so our votes will mean squat.


Although this state did vote in Arnold who is a Republican. Looks like Barbara Boxer will be running against him.

Seems these days the only safe place to keep your money is in your mattress [/QUOTE]

I never in my wild's dreams thought I would live in a swing state. MN has always gone Blue in the general election since 1972. It just is a known fact that a Dem candidate running for President can count on MN in their column. NOT this year! The lastest polls show McCain and Obama in a dead heat!!!!! When you look at an electorial map it has recently changed from a Obama leaning state to a TOSS UP! Obama is losing ground in Minnesota and to be honest I am shock (but happy). But honestly I do think MN will go in Obama's column in November, I really do.

I will not hide the fact that I would love to see MN go Red for the first time in 36 years though!!

 

["Got Disney"]

I never in my wild's dreams thought I would live in a swing state. MN has always gone Blue in the general election since 1972. It just is a known fact that a Dem candidate running for President can count on MN in their column. NOT this year! The lastest polls show McCain and Obama in a dead heat!!!!! When you look at an electorial map it has recently changed from a Obama leaning state to a TOSS UP! Obama is losing ground in Minnesota and to be honest I am shock (but happy). But honestly I do think MN will go in Obama's column in November, I really do.

I will not hide the fact that I would love to see MN go Red for the first time in 36 years though!!

Being in a swing state has 2 advantages....one is that your vote actually means something and 2 that you have the excitement of it meaning something. Part of me is glad that my vote won't mean to much this year because that would put more pressure on me

So even if I vote for McCain and walk away content that at least part of me feels like i did the right thing ..not the DEM side of me will feel that way however....it still leaves me unhappy either way on the outcome.

I dont think that either Obama or McCain will push us backwards but forward is another issue. There is so much to fix at this point that neither candidate will get much done in 4 years before the next election.

I will continue to rid all my debt and save save save.

 

[ladyjayhawk]

For any Hillary supporters looking for a pro-Hillary website free of Obama supporters, check this forum out:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=42

The forum is made up of Dems and Repubs. The members here are still very loyal to Hillary and are part of the PUMA movement. Most feel betrayed by the DNC and are actively working to elect JM (so that HC can run again in 2012). Read this response from one poster:


Quote:
Would a true Hillary support really go over to the McCain/Palin ticket?

It amazes me why some people just don't get it. This is not just about Hillary not getting the nomination. For me, it is about almost everything else that happened. The attempt to try and destroy the Clintons using the race card, the sexism leveled at Hillary and not stopped by the DNC, FL and MI, the 1/2 votes, the stolen delegates, the underhanded caucuses, the backroom deals, the payoffs, the hateful attitudes of the Obama supporters, the super delegates deciding the primary, the biased media, the attempt to not put Hillarys name on the roll call ballot, the sham they called the roll call nomination, the fall in line, get over it narcissistic attitude showed by Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Reid and many more. Did I miss anything?

 

[jacksonsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27592630].

I dont think that either Obama or McCain will push us backwards but forward is another issue. There is so much to fix at this point that neither candidate will get much done in 4 years before the next election.

I will continue to rid all my debt and save save save. [/QUOTE]


I agree and I think whether McCain gets elected or Obama, they will both just be a one term president.

 

[Chuck S]

For any Hillary supporters looking for a pro-Hillary website free of Obama supporters, check this forum out:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=42

The forum is made up of Dems and Repubs. The members here are still very loyal to Hillary and are part of the PUMA movement. Most feel betrayed by the DNC and are actively working to elect JM (so that HC can run again in 2012). Read this response from one poster:


Quote:
Would a true Hillary support really go over to the McCain/Palin ticket?

It amazes me why some people just don't get it. This is not just about Hillary not getting the nomination. For me, it is about almost everything else that happened. The attempt to try and destroy the Clintons using the race card, the sexism leveled at Hillary and not stopped by the DNC, FL and MI, the 1/2 votes, the stolen delegates, the underhanded caucuses, the backroom deals, the payoffs, the hateful attitudes of the Obama supporters, the super delegates deciding the primary, the biased media, the attempt to not put Hillarys name on the roll call ballot, the sham they called the roll call nomination, the fall in line, get over it narcissistic attitude showed by Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Reid and many more. Did I miss anything?

Interesting whois registration for that site...Scottsdale, AZ, being McCain's home state and all

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hillaryclintonforum.net is on the democraticuited server.

 

[ladyjayhawk]

Interesting whois registration for that site...Scottsdale, AZ, being McCain's home state and all

Sorry, but that site was established in February 2008.

"Hillary Clinton Forum Established February 9, 2008"


Did you even bother to look around before doubting it? In the archives, there are only pro-Hillary threads through the primary.