Hillary Clinton --- Is this true?

[GBsMom]

Its just one those military things, a lot of traditional run
through the military, and that what makes it the military.

Served 15 years,

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by WillyJ
What weakness would that be?

He's voted for everything Bush wanted except the one $87 Billion funding/aid package for Iraq, and he make it clear that his problem was not with the majority of the money that went to the troops, but with the $18 billion that went for reconstruction of Iraq. . like several Republicans, he felt it should be a loan and not a give-away.

I have a problem with both Kerry and Bush's stance on the whole Iraq deal, and except for rehtorical flourishes and misleading statements by both men, I'm no seeing any real substantial difference in what they are saying they will do as far as national defense. . .

I'm sure willing to look at anything specific you know of with an open mind though-

Listed is a link that has some very interesting reading. Please note tha the link is an anit-Kerry website, but it does list his voting record on a number of issues. I enjoy reading his "Rhetorical Response".

Kerry's voting record

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

Originally posted by katerkat
[ignoring everything else]

Yes, DH said they are taught hand signals, but they are fairly useless, as POWs are rarely taped with full bodies.

Thanks

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
The words may say you want an intellectual discussion, but the attitude says you want to have your "brilliance" acknowledged and your "superiority" vernerated.

As for your complaint "I was barraged with insult after insult on that thread--by every liberal on there", I respectfully suggest it's comments like this "I would like to see an end to the current twisted incarnation of the Democratic Party " that grease the skids so to speak.

Now, as far as your 2 favorite Democrats, Zell Miller has morphed into a crochety crackpot and Joe Lieberman is a mush-mouthed opportunist who couldn't wait to condemn Billl Clinton, but waited until Clinton was overseas. Even Pat Buchanan took issue with that.

I disagree with Pat Buchanan. . .he's an old school radical--fringe and extreme. The democratic party USED to reflect views such as Joe Lieberman's and Zell Miller's. They weren't the ones who changed, ThAnswr. Listen to Al Gore a year ago. . .he didn't yell the things he yells now. . .hell, he didn't yell at all. . . How is it that Kerry, a junior senator from Massachusetts, with the poorest voting attendance record in the Senate, a military record in dispute, and a wife who seems bent on torpedoing his ambitions, should be given the nomination? Why? Hilary, the real candidate, is currently unelectable. Bill can't serve a third term. And Kennedy derailed his career after Mary Jo Kopechne. So, being the most liberal leftist in the Senate, and being a war veteran--and decorated at that--Kerry becomes the candidate by default. It doesn't matter that his Senatorial career is uninspiring. It matters that he inspires the radical core of the Democratic party. It doesn't matter that he has no charisma and it doesn't matter that he has no plan. He represents the core. He is The Man.

When he fades into obscurity and takes some lame academic position, when he is ousted from his Senate Seat by the newly, soon-to-be population of MA, the inevitable comparisons between he and Dukakis will be made. And, those comparisons will be valid, because Kerry is the new Dukakis.

There's a reason WHY Gore, Hilary, and Kerry yell now. They know the constituency is now extreme and responds to extreme language. (Howard Dean also understood that but didn't play it correctly because he just screamed with grunts, which frightened people.) Now, to the Democrats, screaming absurd extremist statements is somehow considered valid. That's why the upcoming Kerry defeat will have to signal a restructuring of the party of Clinton, Gore, and bring it back to rationality. Don't forget: Abraham Lincoln was the very first Republican candidate.

Republicanism is the party of freedom and responsibility.

 

[caitycaity]

weren't the ones who changed, ThAnswr. Listen to Al Gore a year ago. . .he didn't yell the things he yells now. . .hell, he didn't yell at all. . .

maybe if he'd yelled a little more he would have won.

and people can raise their voices passionately and rationally.

Republicanism is the party of freedom and responsibility.

gee so all of us democrats must be in favor of slavery and irresponsibility. give me a break.

 

[WillyJ]

Thanks for the link We3luvdisney!


There's a lot of info there and I will go through it. . . just scanning it I do notice a lot of the votes cited seem to have occured in 1990- after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war there was supposed to be a "peace dividend" and (in my opinon) there was a reasonable argument to be made in the scaling back of spending for conventional weapons.

I haven't gone through Kerry's entire voting record, but on one hand I've heard that he voted against every weapons bill (Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc.) and on the other hand I've heard he voted for them all at various times but voted against certain bills that included lots of "pork" attached to them. . .


I'll read through this and then take the 1st 10 or so specific votes mentioned and check out the Congressional Record and the exact particulars of the bills and see who else voted against them.. . not exactly exciting stuff . . LOL!! . . but I'll let you know what I find out.

 

[WillyJ]

Hi Caity, Caity!

 

[WillyJ]

Kendra,

Thanks so much for your post. . . that is the funniest political satire I've read in ages!!!

Too funny; and thanks for keeping things light-hearted. .

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by shortbun
Look Kendra-your posts are mostly reactionary - not just conservative and certainly NOT moderate or anywhere close to
any democrat in good standing. I just can barely believe that you
actually voted for Gore last election(but I'll take your word for it) and you talk about 9.11 as if it was some political epiphany for you. "Intellectual discourse" WOULD be interesting if you were open minded at all but you clearly are not.

Sorry, Peachgirl, just had to.

I was going to post the same thing. Who is Kendra trying to kid? Her vote for Gore? bahahahahahah!

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by shortbun
Look Kendra-your posts are mostly reactionary - not just conservative and certainly NOT moderate or anywhere close to
any democrat in good standing. I just can barely believe that you
actually voted for Gore last election(but I'll take your word for it) and you talk about 9.11 as if it was some political epiphany for you. "Intellectual discourse" WOULD be interesting if you were open minded at all but you clearly are not.

Sorry, Peachgirl, just had to.

It sounds as if you are critical of me for understanding that 9-11 IS the core event of our time.

Actually, epiphany is the wrong word. Realization is more accurate. 9-11 was the day we realized the truth of our enemies and the true threat that our country faces.

That you don't see that 9-11 has changed everything for our country does not change the fact that it actually did change everything for our country. All of the arguments are built upon the understanding and acceptance that 9-11 has changed the life of my country, the nature of life on this planet, and our existence.

The Democrats believe that our presence in Iraq, our invasion of Afghanistan, the new Department of Homeland Security, the massive capital spending--which is the origin of the current deficit--for National Security and Defense purposes is merely a function of a passing Republican Administration.

Bush, and his team, are responding to threats that impact us on a much deeper level than only partisan politics. The Democratic party is concerned of only 2 things: 1. regaining power 2. the Classic Liberal Agenda. National defense is NOT included. They /you don't understand that the very nature of our lives has been fundamentally changed BY 9-11. If a President is elected who does not understand this core reality, we are all in serious trouble. And, you can forget about all your entitlement programs, all the punishments for Benedict Arnold-outsourcing-companies, your stock portfolio, Universal Healthcare, and equal justice in our criminal system.

If we have another major terrorist attack, every one of your core issues will go off the table. You need to keep perspective and accept the reality of our lives. Our constitution has, before in our history, been abbrogated--specifically during the Civil War. That ocurred due to a National emergency that, at the time, was considered existential. If another major attack occurs, we truly will be existentially at risk. If this were to happen, your liberal agenda will be forgotten.

Supporting a candidate who doesn't understand that 9-11 and the prevention of further attacks are the core issues is nothing less than dangerous. You can debate me and throw your calumnies upon me and pretend that you are more moral and ethical than I am, but it won't change the truth.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by peachgirl


Take a look at the threads on this board. The vast majority are nothing but Kerry bashing threads. They're snippets of information taken from extremist websites and posted as fact, then discussed as though they are actually true. Just look at the responses to this thread, then tell me again that it's not an excuse to bash Kerry.

Vast majority?? Really now.

What's so funny about your response is that it's typical and expected. But what's even funnier is that the OT is about Hillary not Kerry.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Vast majority?? Really now.

What's so funny about your response is that it's typical and expected. But what's even funnier is that the OT is about Hillary not Kerry.

I thought the same as you, when I read her response.

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Kendra17
It sounds as if you are critical of me for understanding that 9-11 IS the core event of our time.

Actually, epiphany is the wrong word. Realization is more accurate. 9-11 was the day we realized the truth of our enemies and the true threat that our country faces.

It's ignorant to ignore all other issues becuase "9-11 is the core event of our time." Although, I'm quite sure the shrub would totally support you in that!

 

[WillyJ]

So if 9/11 changed everything, shouldn't Kerry be judged only by what he's voted for and claimed to stand for since then?

I mean, if it's a whole new world and any opinions held before are invalid now, doesn't that extend to him as well?


And I thought this thread was about whether or not the guy in the pics "hand signal" meant anything significant?


I don't think it was Peach Girl who brought up Kerry and Yucca Mountain and Abraham Lincoln and 9/11 and. . .

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by WillyJ
So if 9/11 changed everything, shouldn't Kerry be judged only by what he's voted for and claimed to stand for since then?

I mean, if it's a whole new world and any opinions held before are invalid now, doesn't that extend to him as well?


And I thought this thread was about whether or not the guy in the pics "hand signal" meant anything significant?


I don't think it was Peach Girl who brought up Kerry and Yucca Mountain and Abraham Lincoln and 9/11 and. . .

That would absolutely make sense if Kerry hadn't been the one who characterized his entire campaign as just being about his Viet Nam record--which lasted 4 months, rather than his flip-flopping 20 year Senate career.

This was about the hand signal, but stuff evolves.

 

[Samsara]

Run from your candidate’s record Kendra, run!

 

[WillyJ]

I'm curious Kendra. . and I promise I don't mean this sarcastically; I'm honestly curious:

Do you really believe that Kerry is that awful with no redeming qualities and that Bush is that great and that his every intention is truly only what's best for country with no thought to anything else?


See, I think they are both politicians and little rich-boy Yalies who both get the money to run their campaigns from the same special interest groups and there are much more similarities between them then differences. . .


But aside from that, do you really think one is "evil" and one is "good"?

 

[bsnyder]

Willy, I'm not Kendra, but I'd like a crack at that question!

 

[MHopkins2]

While we're discussing offtopicness and maturity or lack of same, I'd like it noted for the record that the soldier pictured is HOT.

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by MHopkins2
While we're discussing offtopicness and maturity or lack of same, I'd like it noted for the record that the soldier pictured is HOT.

I'll second that MHopkins! Hey, I think our taste in men have matched before!