Here now, OMG buses.

[mgroshans]

I don't have a problem with ECV's or strollers, BUT I do have a problem with them when the person plows thru everyone, just because they have one- yes it happened to us on this last trip. They hit my son with there ECV as she tried to get by us. They didn't apologize or nothing, just kept going. Yes she knew she hit him because he about fell and she looked back at us. DH had all he could not to say something.

 

[Burnedout]

There are rude people in all walks of life. My mom has people walk straight into her path and then give her crap because she doesn't stop in a dime. (There are no brakes.).

Being the last off the bus doesn't compute with people.

And the closer Parkin places mean that those of us who travel with the ecv or wc bound person walk farther than the folks hopping in the tram. Also wont compute with some people.

 

[WedgieSock]

There are rude people in all walks of life. My mom has people walk straight into her path and then give her crap because she doesn't stop in a dime. (There are no brakes.).

Being the last off the bus doesn't compute with people.

And the closer Parkin places mean that those of us who travel with the ecv or wc bound person walk farther than the folks hopping in the tram. Also wont compute with some people.

Well this it. The problem here is the attempt to 'classify' people. Its not about whether you push a stroller, use an ECV, are able-bodied, lazy - none of these are an indicator as to whether you are a rude person or not. Rude is rude and comes in all shapes, sizes and disguises.

We found that a lot - people walking straight across the path of my Mums EVC .... then getting annoyed because she couldn't stop in time

 

[Burnedout]

Inaccurate information and nastiness isn't excused by some rare disease.

 

[TDC Nala]

It's interesting to see different people's experiences and perceptions. We've been regular DW visitors since 1987, always used DW transportation and rarely experience the stroller issues that I see on so many threads.

It's a combination of there being more and bigger strollers, and guests being rather self-absorbed about what they are doing with the stroller. I usually see dad who gets on a bus with a folded megastroller and stops in the middle of the aisle because he wants to stand where his family is seated. He then blocks anyone from proceeding to the back of the bus to stand, so the bus doesn't move as many passengers as it could. Some of the drivers will make the guy in the aisle move so people can pass him, and some won't.

and then they get off the bus and stand right in front of the door unfolding the megastroller and getting the kid(s) situated in it. Most stroller wielders will move aside to let the bus continue to disembark though.

and if you are not prepared to wait for the driver to load and tie down the wheelchairs or scooters (they must be tied down, they can't be rolling free on the bus) then it's really time to look into a rental car. From years of taking Disney transportation I've learned to build in the time if I have to be anywhere.

 

[WedgieSock]

Again you are the one with absolutely no clue. Judging again. Why? No see I didn't pull the "backed into a corner card" I just proved (and proved again) how judgmental all you perfect, able body people really think you are! I don't need to take a look in the mirror as I am perfectly happy with my life as I said. I find nothing wrong with it.

And YES, for your information, you can find the member of my family registered with national organizations who do research on the disease, with the ONLY SIX institutes that study this particular disease in the nation, and we contribute to the Rare Disease Network database (something else you have no clue in life about!) not just in their research efforts but through our bottomless pockets and hearts, so go pound salt and watch out because the next person you kick while your nose floats so high in the air might be the one called karma...and she's out to get YOU honey!

Sorry but you laid it out there to be judged *honey* and your nasty remarks were offensive which is why I STILL question whether you have a family member with a disability. I am a full time carer for my Mum (I moved across the ocean to do so) so I am well aware of what it is like to be on the other side of the fence.

 

[WedgieSock]

Inaccurate information and nastiness isn't excused by some rare disease.

Thank you.

 

[kaytieeldr]

but they get a special handicap parking sticker/placard for a private vehicle....they don't seem to have an issue with the stigma when using a designation like that? why not a special designated bus for them as well?

You really need to educate yourself, instead of these misplaced rantings.

Probably because people complained it took too long to board the bus

As far as people saying you can't "segregate" the people with ECVs by providing them with their own bus, then explain to me why they get segregated parking (designated by a handicap sign), a special entrance to rides (um isn't that segregating them as well). People are not saying do NOT provide them with transport, just provide them with the services they need while others are not "inconvenienced". {snipped nonessential portion} There is a point where abled body people feel just as discriminated against simply because they do not qualify. I'm sure I will get flamed for these comments, but oh well, some of us are sick of hearing "treat everyone the same no matter what a person is able to do". Fine then all the ECV people can fend for themselves in a parking lot with NO handicap designated parking if they don't want to be "singled" out!

I don't get this hatred you have for ECV users. I really don't.
First, go to your state's DMV website and se what the eligibility is for a handicapped plate/placard. The law requires proof the applicant meets certain criteria. Using an ECV isn't one of them. Now, someone's qualifying medical condition - heart disease, severe arthritis, ultra-low kidney function - may make it necessary for them to use a mobility assistance device. But using the device doesn't make one eligible for handicap parking.

But the ENTIRE purpose of handicap parking is safety: to get the eligible person out of the flow of traffic as quickly and safely as possible. Period.

The "special" ride entrances? Do you mean the one's that lead to seats in the last two rows of the theater, while people not on wheels can sit absolutely anywhere they want? I mean, I'd rather sit up front at Animation Academy - but with those pesky steep stairs, guests on wheels need to make a super-sharp right turn to avoid injury.

Or do you mean the few attractions that aren't wheel-accessible? The few that, oh, haven't been renovated since the ADA so aren't mainstreamed? Or do you mean the ones with stairs? Or the continual-loaders that it just makes sense to embark/debark at the exit - so people who need the ride stopped to board can exit while others with the same need board during the same stop? Because that's simply efficient

 

[Magpie]

Again you are the one with absolutely no clue. Judging again. Why? No see I didn't pull the "backed into a corner card" I just proved (and proved again) how judgmental all you perfect, able body people really think you are! I don't need to take a look in the mirror as I am perfectly happy with my life as I said. I find nothing wrong with it.

And YES, for your information, you can find the member of my family registered with national organizations who do research on the disease, with the ONLY SIX institutes that study this particular disease in the nation, and we contribute to the Rare Disease Network database (something else you have no clue in life about!) not just in their research efforts but through our bottomless pockets and hearts, so go pound salt and watch out because the next person you kick while your nose floats so high in the air might be the one called karma...and she's out to get YOU honey!

Wow, you need to turn off the computer, sit down and BREATHE.

Sometimes when it seems like everyone's out to get you, it's time to step back and realize that it's actually you who is the problem, not them.

 

[kaytieeldr]

the word was inferred from what posters who are in ECVs mentioned how they felt when people watch THEM board the busses....they were defining the word stigma without actually writing the word.

stig·ma   [stig-muh] Show IPA
noun, plural stig·ma·ta  [stig-muh-tuh, stig-mah-tuh, -mat-uh] Show IPA, stig·mas.
1.
a mark of disgrace or infamy; a stain or reproach, as on one's reputation.
2.
Medicine/Medical .
a.
a mental or physical mark that is characteristic of a defect or disease


they don't want to be looked at as an inconvenience to other riders due to their abilities, but they will gladly park close to entrances due to their abilities....in other words, convenience to them when it is convenient is OK, but not OK for to people with lack of a disability to want conveniences, too? If you want to be treated like "everyone" then do away with handicap parking for a start and travel from a distance just like everyone else in a parking lot! Again, it's a safety issue. The same people who complain about having to wait two minutes while a bus driver ties down a wheelchair/ECV would likely be furious having to drive behind that person traversing a parking lot.Again, I don't care about their loading on the busses, I don't have a problem with it. I was just trying to show the other side to "we want equal rights to the busses, rides, etc"...basically if ONE group of people get SPECIAL treatments (a separate entrance, separate bus, a separate section of parking) then EVERYONE abled or disabled should get the SAME special treatments! Providing ANY group of people DIFFERENT considerations is SEGREGATING....something someone on here said was illegal!

I truly don't get your fixation on legally mandated and legally regulated handicapped parking. But having separate buses for guests on wheels is financially irresponsible (if such a bus accompanies each standard bus) or, yes segregationist.

 

[Magpie]

Neither is stupidity of people assuming people mentioning things after the fact is simply because they are backed into a corner. You betcha you back me into a corner I'm gonna be none too pleasant. But you also forget in your ignorance as well that no where on this board do we EVER have to layout our family medical history prior to any post. I have repeatedly said I can careless about the wait for the ECVs to load. You people don't get that through you thick, bloated, high and mighty heads do you. I simply called out the person who originally said putting them on a separate bus was segregation (I WAS NOT MY IDEA). I simply said how is it any different than providing them with other separate services that segregate them from the general population?!??!? I don't see anyone else calling out the people who CLAIM they use ECVs and WCs as liars. I do not ask you to pardon me for mentioning a rare disease, again I can care less that you are not going to be my bff! The point was, no one here has a CLUE from what background people come from yet they are so fast to point their crooked little fingers at such proclaimed by themselves evil! God forbid you actually have a day when you child comes up to you with a thought different than yours simply because they have a more opened mind and actually CHALLENGE your drab way of thinking by thinking out of the box!

Actually, I'm really hoping you don't speak to your children the way you're carrying on here. Because right now the impression you're giving is of a person screaming irrationally and flinging insults in every direction.

I'm assuming that's probably not your intent. It's SO difficult to read tone on the internet.

 

[Burnedout]

Lol, if you don't care, why are you acting like a 12 year old, cursing, yelling and rambling? Geez.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Neither is stupidity of people assuming people mentioning things after the fact is simply because they are backed into a corner. You betcha you back me into a corner I'm gonna be none too pleasant.

Please go back and read all your posts. You entered this thread criticizing and attacking.

I have repeatedly said I can care less

Right. I meant to question this a few pages back: how much less can you care? Bit of advice? If you say what you mean, what you say will be more easily understood.

 

[kaytieeldr]

BWAHAHAHA. Yeh thanks for that info but we already HAVE a handicap placard! Who needs to be educated now? People who cast stone, you tell me?!?!?

Don't know and don't care what's made you so vitriolic - but given that you already have a handicap parking placard, any reasonable person would expect that you would know the requirements for getting it, the laws surrounding it, and the purpose of it. I know all that in my state, as well as reciprocity rules.

You have a blessed day, now, honey. Nobody's casting stones.

 

[aubriee]

Wow, some people are just really sad, irrational, human beings.

Time to put a certain poster on ignore folks. Either she is a troll, a mental patient, a kid posting under her parent's name, or just plain ignorant. You can't change stupid folks!

 

[FlightlessDuck]

That poor horse...

 

[Magpie]

That poor horse...

 

[PrincessAurora27]

Neither is stupidity of people assuming people mentioning things after the fact is simply because they are backed into a corner. You betcha you back me into a corner I'm gonna be none too pleasant. But you also forget in your ignorance as well that no where on this board do we EVER have to layout our family medical history prior to any post. I have repeatedly said I can careless about the wait for the ECVs to load. You people don't get that through you thick, bloated, high and mighty heads do you. I simply called out the person who originally said putting them on a separate bus was segregation (I WAS NOT MY IDEA). I simply said how is it any different than providing them with other separate services that segregate them from the general population?!??!? I don't see anyone else calling out the people who CLAIM they use ECVs and WCs as liars. I do not ask you to pardon me for mentioning a rare disease, again I can care less that you are not going to be my bff! The point was, no one here has a CLUE from what background people come from yet they are so fast to point their crooked little fingers at such proclaimed by themselves evil! God forbid you actually have a day when you child comes up to you with a thought different than yours simply because they have a more opened mind and actually CHALLENGE your drab way of thinking by thinking out of the box!

So what you are saying is that you still have care left about this situation. I think the words you are looking for are you COULDN'T care less. That means you have no care left at all..

And fwiw - you aren't the only one who knows about the rare disease network or that has family members that are sick. When your family has a disease named after them come talk to me.

 

[waynesgirl]

Everyone seems to be up in arms...shame.

I have read all of these posts and it seems like EVERYONE, not just the irate one, is a little snippy. When a subject touches a nerve, and there are a lot on these threads, people tend to jump down someone's throat and everyone piles on top.

I am not saying the PP is right with their obvious tirade, but neither are some of the others that have been casting stones. I have made posts and been chewed a new one for it, simply because people tend to think that if it works for them, or it is fair, that it is ok to tell someone they are wrong. My last question resulted in someone telling me to grow thicker skin over my question about price bridging- REALLY?

I have read what everyone has said-I think it is truly terrible that ANYONE have to suffer a disability. Thank God that I do not and I am so very blessed. I understand a lot of people's viewpoints, both for and against, the ECV. Even though the PP is very angry, I read between the lines of the very trollish posts to see some things that could have been worded differently.

Please remember that it is close to the holidays, regardless of your religion, and that it is best to turn the cheek and not respond. Ignore it- you have the choice to walk away when someone insults your sensibilities. I have quit posting a lot because it seems that the boards are now a place of vile people who can't just walk away- myself included. Be thankful you can go to Disney and experience it your way.

 

[SaraJayne]

Neither is stupidity of people assuming people mentioning things after the fact is simply because they are backed into a corner. You betcha you back me into a corner I'm gonna be none too pleasant. But you also forget in your ignorance as well that no where on this board do we EVER have to layout our family medical history prior to any post. I have repeatedly said I can careless about the wait for the ECVs to load. You people don't get that through you thick, bloated, high and mighty heads do you. I simply called out the person who originally said putting them on a separate bus was segregation (I WAS NOT MY IDEA). I simply said how is it any different than providing them with other separate services that segregate them from the general population?!??!? I don't see anyone else calling out the people who CLAIM they use ECVs and WCs as liars. I do not ask you to pardon me for mentioning a rare disease, again I can care less that you are not going to be my bff! The point was, no one here has a CLUE from what background people come from yet they are so fast to point their crooked little fingers at such proclaimed by themselves evil! God forbid you actually have a day when you child comes up to you with a thought different than yours simply because they have a more opened mind and actually CHALLENGE your drab way of thinking by thinking out of the box!

Now may be a good time for you to step away from the computer.