Here now- MK security

[annmorr]

I would prefer that the screening be done at the resorts prior to guests getting on the buses to the various park.......so that when the bus arrived at the park there would be separate access for everyone that had been screened back at the resort....... and the screenings could all take place while we are awaiting our bus, so really not take any extra of our time!

 

[Kimberly9701]

and, FWIW, I feel that the crowds in the kings island picture above are also a target (assuming that pic was taken pre security as its use implies), just as pre security crowds at MK would be. Both situations would make me uncomfortable from a security standpoint.

They make me uncomfortable as well. Any major theme park will have huge crowds waiting to enter at certain time of the year. Any sporting event will also have huge crowds.

Last week my son had an "incident" at his school. I was notified of it immediately. Turned out to be nothing. When I got home from work I asked him about his day as always and he said that they had a "drill at school today". I asked detailed questions about the drill (was my first experience with this and didn't know exactly what they did.) After he told me about it this is what I realized- They Still Are Not Safe. And I don't think there can be any process, door locks, etc implemented to make them safe.

I think this applies to theme park/sporting events as well. No one knows how to handle our crazy world right now, so they are trying to implement things to make us "more safe", these things do help, but it is not possible to completely eliminate anything from happening.

Not trying to be morbid, because I think the chance of a terror attack at a theme park/ sporting event or school shooting is less of a probability than a car accident.

And yes, that is outside of the park, which is why you can see the fountains etc inside.

 

[jdmn2010]

I almost would have preferred if everyone went through instead of randomly picking someone, except for the amount of time it would take to do so. I was chosen randomly only once during our trip a couple of weeks ago, but it is right after entering the park so we were still lined up with my DH in front and my kids after him and then me in the back. When the security person told me to come through the metal detector, I am watching my DH walk ahead with no idea I'd been detained and my kids following him thinking I am watching them. I had to run/yell after them to get my DH to turn around and realize that I wasn't behind him and the kids needed looking after. Then I ran back to the metal detector, but it was definitely uncomfortable because I didn't want security to think I was running off. I'm sure I wasn't the only one that happened to since security seemed understanding.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I think this applies to theme park/sporting events as well. No one knows how to handle our crazy world right now, so they are trying to implement things to make us "more safe", these things do help, but it is not possible to completely eliminate anything from happening.

I agree with all of your post except the bolded. I don't think making these choke points at theme park entrances back up even more than they already do helps make us more safe at all. I think it's intended to make people *feel* more safe, but I don't personally think it does much to actually increase saftey. Brussels is a prime example of why, IMO.

 

[Bullseye]

Maybe I missed it... but if you have a bag, you go through bag check first, then the turnstile, and then the metal detector? Is that the order?

 

[ssreward]

They make me uncomfortable as well. Any major theme park will have huge crowds waiting to enter at certain time of the year. Any sporting event will also have huge crowds.

Last week my son had an "incident" at his school. I was notified of it immediately. Turned out to be nothing. When I got home from work I asked him about his day as always and he said that they had a "drill at school today". I asked detailed questions about the drill (was my first experience with this and didn't know exactly what they did.) After he told me about it this is what I realized- They Still Are Not Safe. And I don't think there can be any process, door locks, etc implemented to make them safe.

I think this applies to theme park/sporting events as well. No one knows how to handle our crazy world right now, so they are trying to implement things to make us "more safe", these things do help, but it is not possible to completely eliminate anything from happening.

Not trying to be morbid, because I think the chance of a terror attack at a theme park/ sporting event or school shooting is less of a probability than a car accident.

And yes, that is outside of the park, which is why you can see the fountains etc inside.

Don't think you're morbid at all - car accidents are much more likely! In fact, I agree 1000% w/ everything you said except the "our crazy world right now" part - while I'll never be able to make an decent argument for humanity's sanity, it IS a much safer world than most of us alive have ever known...for example: the deadliest US school massacre happened in 1927, it's just people are more likely to see CNN than old library microfiche

 

[MariMama]

They make me uncomfortable as well. Any major theme park will have huge crowds waiting to enter at certain time of the year. Any sporting event will also have huge crowds.

Last week my son had an "incident" at his school. I was notified of it immediately. Turned out to be nothing. When I got home from work I asked him about his day as always and he said that they had a "drill at school today". I asked detailed questions about the drill (was my first experience with this and didn't know exactly what they did.) After he told me about it this is what I realized- They Still Are Not Safe. And I don't think there can be any process, door locks, etc implemented to make them safe.

I think this applies to theme park/sporting events as well. No one knows how to handle our crazy world right now, so they are trying to implement things to make us "more safe", these things do help, but it is not possible to completely eliminate anything from happening.

Not trying to be morbid, because I think the chance of a terror attack at a theme park/ sporting event or school shooting is less of a probability than a car accident.

And yes, that is outside of the park, which is why you can see the fountains etc inside.

Regarding the bolded, no, they don't. Creating a bottleneck of people just creates an easier target.

 

[MariMama]

Maybe I missed it... but if you have a bag, you go through bag check first, then the turnstile, and then the metal detector? Is that the order?

No, it is bag check, metal detector, turnstile.

 

[BrianL]

I personally think all this extra security is unnecessary. Incidents at Disney Parks have been few and far between. Also, I don't think it would really stop anybody who really wanted to do something. It's basically "security theater" that doesn't really work. I have always felt very safe at Disney, regardless of the screening procedures.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I personally think all this extra security is unnecessary. Incidents at Disney Parks have been few and far between. Also, I don't think it would really stop anybody who really wanted to do something. It's basically "security theater" that doesn't really work. I have always felt very safe at Disney, regardless of the screening procedures.

I agree with this 100%

 

[Kimberly9701]

Regarding the bolded, no, they don't. Creating a bottleneck of people just creates an easier target.

The bottleneck isn't created by metal detectors. It's because there are more people than can simultaneously physically fit thru an entrance.

There is absolutely no way to keep those people "safe".
What stadiums/schools/theme parks CAN do is to try to not let crazy people inside.

You can't prevent a dangerous threat from being carried out all around though. It just isn't possible.

Hopefully it never happens.

 

[freediverdude]

It probably would be more expensive to implement, but I agree that it would be nice to do the screening at the resort before getting on the buses or monorails for resort guests, and maybe even at the TTC for non-resort guests.

 

[MariMama]

The bottleneck isn't created by metal detectors. It's because there are more people than can simultaneously physically fit thru an entrance.

There is absolutely no way to keep those people "safe".
What stadiums/schools/theme parks CAN do is to try to not let crazy people inside.

You can't prevent a dangerous threat from being carried out all around though. It just isn't possible.

Hopefully it never happens.

NM

 

[Angel Ariel]

The bottleneck isn't created by metal detectors. It's because there are more people than can simultaneously physically fit thru an entrance.

There is absolutely no way to keep those people "safe".
What stadiums/schools/theme parks CAN do is to try to not let crazy people inside.

You can't prevent a dangerous threat from being carried out all around though. It just isn't possible.

Hopefully it never happens.

The bottleneck isn't *created* by the metal detectors, but the metal detectors do make it *worse*. that's why there's less of a problem at stadiums than there is at MK. Stadiums have 20+ entrances spread around the whole circumference of the stadium for people to enter, so the metal derector has less of an impact because everyone is much more spread out. That's physically impossible at 3 of WDW's parks, as they only have 1 entrance.

I certainly agree that we can't prevent anything from being carried out. That's why I feel the security theatre is ridiculous. How much gets through TSA's metal detectors and body scanners all the time? it was a huge %, if I recall the study correctly. and they are taking way more time and effort at airports than at wdw, and they are still missing stuff. That's no any different at WDW. Metal detectors aren't actually helping prevent things from getting into airports, why would it be different at a theme park?

The security Disney has had in place for years - and I mean the behind the scenes security that no one ever sees unless there's a problem - was, and is, far more effective than the metal detectors. All the metal detectors will do, if they send everyone through them, is create a bigger, easier target outside of security. it isn't that there wasn't a target before..there was. any huge crowd outside security would be. But the longer it takes to get through, the longer those lines get, and the bigger the target becomes.

I don't care about security theatre when it doesn't impact me all that much. I can handle a little inconvenience. But making situations *less safe* for the sake of security theatre is just not something I will agree with Disney on. I think the security that they've had in place for years behind the scenes was, and still is, a heck of a lot better than airport security is.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I found that study I was thinking of - Source

In 67 out of 70 tests - 95% of the time, banned items got through undetected. And that's with a lot more time put into the scanning than what's happening at WDW. And on top of it, WDW security isn't putting bags through the metal detectors at all.

If TSA can't manage better results, I don't see how it's reasonable to expect better results at WDW where less time is spent on the screening, and less things are being scanned in the first place.

 

[robinb]

Baseball games and NFL games have multiple entrances. Disney parks have one. If they require everyone to go through a metal detector, there will be a backlog of guests, especially at opening and soon after.

Well, yes and no. There is one entrance, but it's bigger than all the multiple entrances of Wrigley Field combined.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Well, yes and no. There is one entrance, but it's bigger than all the multiple entrances of Wrigley Field combined.

I would disagree that the bag check area, where the bottleneck starts, is bigger than all of the multiple entrances at Wrigley Field combined. Plus, just in crowd flow, when people see lines they tend to get in them (which is why there is always lines on the extreme ends that tend to be shorter..people see the lines in the middle and go there) - logistics like that are less of an issue at places like Wrigley field because of the entrances all around. There's a ton of logisitical differences between how entering stadiums works vs. entering Disney, just because of the physical location differences.

 

[robinb]

I would disagree that the bag check area, where the bottleneck starts, is bigger than all of the multiple entrances at Wrigley Field combined. Plus, just in crowd flow, when people see lines they tend to get in them (which is why there is always lines on the extreme ends that tend to be shorter..people see the lines in the middle and go there) - logistics like that are less of an issue at places like Wrigley field because of the entrances all around. There's a ton of logisitical differences between how entering stadiums works vs. entering Disney, just because of the physical location differences.

I didn't say "bag check". I said the entrance, which is much wider than bag check. They simply need to put a bunch of detectors between bag check (which is an intentional bottle neck) and the ticket scanners. The ones at Wrigley are on wheels and can be moved in and out at will.

 

[wyurm]

It always concerns me that people feel safer with these crowd herding "security" measures but never consider that by creating a large crowd they are making a very inviting target.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I didn't say "bag check". I said the entrance, which is much wider than bag check. They simply need to put a bunch of detectors between bag check (which is an intentional bottle neck) and the ticket scanners. The ones at Wrigley are on wheels and can be moved in and out at will.

then I shouldn't have said bag check, because I'm not talking about the area leading into bag check, but the area afterwards as well. My point was that the crowds are dispersed in a stadium setting in a way they physically cannot be in *any* place that only has 1 entrance, WDW included.