Here now, and here is the problem

[Silock]

Bleh, not worth it. Getting trolled.

 

[morethananyonex]

I agree with you.

But consider this (I am thinking through it). With restaurants it doesn't matter who is sitting there as long as ithe tables are filled.

With FP+ the goal is to lock in as many different people into ride reservations. That way as many different people won't want to go to universal. I think that might be their motivation for this. NOT equity, but entrapment! .

Disney is widening their nets.

I totally get why FP+ is beneficial for Disney from that perspective and the same idea for dining isn't. From a guest standpoint, it's very similar though.

I totally agree that equity is not Disney's motivation for this, that's why I don't get why people keep stating the whole point of this is so people can ride big rides and not to rope drop. They want more people locked into being at their parks and not the competition. They don't care if Family A rides Soarin' and Test Track while Family B misses getting FP for both, they just want both to be at Epcot and not Universal.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Again, you are not making sense (see quote in bold) since you are contradicting yourself and now also calling it "my" system(??).

But since I like to have intelligent conversations and debates - I'll back out of responding further to someone I feel has just signed up an account on here to be a trouble maker. Ciao.

I was referring to the FP- ticket or the FP+ slot that you are holding. Obviously you already made up your mind on a system that should benefit you and you alone is the good one. Obviously there is no point to talk further. You can only name calling anyways. Your intelligent post consisted of two parts only.

1. I don't understand what you wrote
2. You are a troll and I am not talking to you.

Very intelligent indeed.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I agree, I can't make sense of any of these posts either.

Of course you don't understand. I was only responding to two name calling person at their level. No contents just their insults.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

I have been. You just wouldn't recognize logic and reason if it were a snake in your boots.

Your logic and reason on the above escaped me. I stated that I love the FP+ based on my experience and I know you don't. Okay, that I get.

Where is your reason for not liking the FP+ beyond the reason that you think I am a troll?

That's all your posted so far besides the snake in my boots.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Bleh, not worth it. Getting trolled.

And you have to delete your post to hide how bad of a person you are towards me. Very original. Did I name call you at all before you called me a troll?

 

[Angel Ariel]

And then there will be a point where the rides are still not enough for everyone. Building new rides needs time what do you suggest Disney do in the mean time while the rides are being built?

Disney managed to overhaul DCA while keeping the majority of it open to guests and it seemed to work out quite well for TDA.

TDA announced Carsland in October 2007. The first bit of the overhaul was TSMM which opened in June 2008. There were some other things (like the sun wheel) rethemed in 2008. The rest of the expansion construction began in 2010 and the entire park was completed in 2012 (basically 2 years to build an entire new land w/3 new rides, plus shops/restaurants, an entire new entrance/main street area, retheming other attractions, etc).

Conversely, construction also began on NFL in early 2010, and it's still not done.

TDO could do well to take some notes from TDA, IMO.

If FP truly needed to be addressed while Disney took the time to build new rides, there's no reason they couldn't have tweaked the existing FP system to only give 1 FP/ride/ticket.

 

[Silock]

Did I name call you at all before you called me a troll?

LOL @ "bad of a person you are towards me"

High horse, much? All you did were personal attacks, and congratulations, you dragged me down to your level. Gotta love the internet

WOW all the self entitlement in one post!

What made you so special?

go visit Universal and jam up HP instead.

You must really failed at logic on that one

Sorry, but you can't claim any moral high ground here. I can be done with you, though. So, bye.

 

[gina2000]

Bottom line....capacity does not meet demand and FP+ is a very expensive bandaid.

No matter how many FP+ are distributed, there still are not enough headliners to satisfy demand in two of the parks. Buying the park hopper add on and scheduling your one headliner at Epcot at the end of the day really isn't worth the money. Staying in one park all day - a park that may be overcrowded - or a park without enough capacity to fulfill demand, isn't really worth it.

There just aren't enough headliners to keep people in one park all day - with the exception of MK. FP+ won't fix that problem.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

TDO could do well to take some notes from TDA, IMO.

If FP truly needed to be addressed while Disney took the time to build new rides, there's no reason they couldn't have tweaked the existing FP system to only give 1 FP/ride/ticket.

No argument from me on that one. TDO does need to do some hard thinking on expending the parks.

As for tweaking the existing FP system, I still think the same group of people who hated the FP+ would still up in arms about that too. The same arguments would still come up. (Things like it wasn't broke why fix it to I was able to pull 6 to 8 rides before and now only one)

Most of the people started to complain when the perceived "perk" disappeared. It's not because of FP+ or NextGen. It's more in line with I paid $90 a day to enter the park and I want to get to the front of the line 6 times a day to my favorite rides.

I respect your view more as you are presenting a possible change in touring pattern rather than about the loss of ability to ride one single ride multiple times.

 

[Turbanator]

Come on guys no need to argue here just forget it and move on

 

[LuvFFPlus]

LOL @ "bad of a person you are towards me"

High horse, much? All you did were personal attacks, and congratulations, you dragged me down to your level. Gotta love the internet

Sorry, but you can't claim any moral high ground here. I can be done with you, though. So, bye.

Your level was only calling me a troll or refer to my posted repeatedly as to you are being trolled by me. You dragged me down first and ran away crying that I am bad.

So back on topic. I still perceive your dislike of the FP+ system comes from the inability to get 4 to 8 FP for the SAME ride.
So would you agree that if FP+ would let you pull 4 to 8 for SAME ride you will be happy and say Disney is great?
From that observation is where I say I'd rather have FP+ be limited to 3 for the time being so that EVERYONE may enjoy the ride at least once per day. Until the day of course that they have more and newer rides and I wouldn't care how many times you wish to ride the SAME ride. Heck maybe the older rides will have 5 minute standby time as well by that time.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Come on guys no need to argue here just forget it and move on

UK guys are more civil than us (US). We have to argue until we are red in the face or someone pulls a gun and shoot the other.

 

[morethananyonex]

From that observation is where I say I'd rather have FP+ be limited to 3 for the time being so that EVERYONE may enjoy the ride at least once per day is better. Until the day of course that they have more and newer rides and I wouldn't care how many times you wish to ride the SAME ride. Heck maybe the older rides will have 5 minute standby time as well by that time.

What was stopping people from enjoying all the headliners once per day before that isn't still an issue now? Even with FP+, because of the tiering and 3 ride limit people still can't do everything once a day unless they arrive early or wait in long lines. How is that any different than before? People could arrive early before, or people could wait in long lines.

The people who sleep in will still have to wait in long lines at tiered parks. The people who don't wait in long lines at tiered parks will still be getting up early.

 

[Silock]

Your level was only calling me a troll or refer to my posted repeatedly as to you are being trolled by me. You dragged me down first and ran away crying that I am bad.

I never called you a troll. I simply said that I was being trolled after you told me to "go jam up HP," that my post was "full of self-entitlement," and said that I "failed at logic." Masterful, really.

On the off-chance that you're NOT doing that, I can see why someone with an attitude of "you started it; I'm not doing anything wrong!" would think that a system where you had to actually do a little bit of leg work to get your money's worth is a bad thing.

In reality, I think you're doing behind the screen because you got me to respond one more time.

 

[Rosanne]

Your level was only calling me a troll or refer to my posted repeatedly as to you are being trolled by me. You dragged me down first and ran away crying that I am bad.



So back on topic. I still perceive your dislike of the FP+ system comes from the inability to get 4 to 8 FP for the SAME ride.
So would you agree that if FP+ would let you pull 4 to 8 for SAME ride you will be happy and say Disney is great?
From that observation is where I say I'd rather have FP+ be limited to 3 for the time being so that EVERYONE may enjoy the ride at least once per day. Until the day of course that they have more and newer rides and I wouldn't care how many times you wish to ride the SAME ride. Heck maybe the older rides will have 5 minute standby time as well by that time.

The following is your (LuvFFPlus) post #215 from the thread... "Who has used FP+.... and hated it." (Not exact wording but it can easily be found



I Loooooooooove the new ff+. I am able to book well in advance the rides that i want. I can also use the methods someone posted on line to enable park hopping and ride more than 3 rides using it.

I am also an AP holder so i can book ff+ w/o having to have a resort ressie. The trick is to book a resort ressie and cancel it once you received MB. Once you have a MB it's yours to keep and will continue to function for 2 years. You don't even need to make any more resort ressie after you got the mb. So I don't know why those who said the off-site, and local AP holder doesn't have a chance to get the band.
It's just maybe they are too lazy to make the effort to obtain a mb?

I love the ff+ so much that sometimes i would just book my 3 ff+ ahead of time even if i am not sure if i will be visiting wdw. This way if i do go i will have my 3.

It's just how you use and adapt to the new system. Change is coming and change is the only thing constant. You either change with it or be swept away.


And there, class, is the evidence.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

The following is your (LuvFFPlus) post #215 from the thread... "Who has used FP+.... and hated it." (Not exact wording but it can easily be found




I love the ff+ so much that sometimes i would just book my 3 ff+ ahead of time even if i am not sure if i will be visiting wdw. This way if i do go i will have my 3.



And there, class, is the evidence.

Thank you very much of quoting the whole thing. Did I say I would hold on to the ff+ if I don't go?? The conclusions or the lack there of people makes is beyond me. No wonder people are mad about FP+, how many conclusions are just like that? Inventing things and come to conclusions over something that wasn't there. How many real FP+ experiences are there?

 

[LuvFFPlus]

And there, class, is the evidence.

By the way same to you about name calling. It does not help your case against my opinion on FP+. I love the FP+ and I am not calling you name when you don't like it. If that's what you mean by class, then I am not sure that's how I would have used the term.
Since when expressing an opinion constitute to this kind of treatment?

 

[Sammie]

It would probably help to take a bit less fp- per day and spent a little cash so that your opinion counts more in the eyes of a business.

Us was generic, and not meaning me. We love the new system, go often and spend, eat all our meals there and do shopping every trip. Disney loves us.

I had never even rode TSMM until this last trip and booked it with Fastpass+.

 

[LuvFFPlus]

Us was generic, and not meaning me. We love the new system, go often and spend, eat all our meals there and do shopping every trip. Disney loves us.

I had never even rode TSMM until this last trip and booked it with Fastpass+.

Sammie I am on the same boat as you. I posted that I like FP+ and people have been slamming me left and right. I am very happy with the new system.