Help with printing??

spoon2003

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I have a big group photo with people on both edges. When I print at 4x6, it came out with everyone but when I print at 8x10 it cuts off the edges. How can I get it to print on 8x10 with no loss? I went to CVS, the dude was no help (didn't expect much), went to Ritz and was also told it cannot be done (expected more knowledge at Ritz). It's my Grandmother's 100 birthday banquet shot and I really want to frame it for her (with over 40 relatives in the picture, it needs to be an 8x10 to see everyone :)

Thanks for any advice

Sue from Boston
 
It can be fit in there, but there will be wasted space that you will need to cut off the print. After that, consider a frame that is larger than 8x10. With a strange size, you might need to take it to a professional framer to get it right. I am not good enough with an exacto knife to cut it correctly myself. I am lucky to draw a straight line, let alone cut one.

Kevin
 
You can't. It's simple math.
4x2=8
6x2=12

But you can print it at 8x12. Getting an 8x12 frame is very difficult, however, so you might have to go with a larger frame and have the pic matted.
 

The guy at Ritz and WillCAD are right, it is impossible as the aspect ratio between a 4x6 and an 8x10 are different. As WillCAD stated, you would need an 8x12 frame to maintain the proper aspect ratio and not have to crop the photo. A quick search on GOOGLE for "8x12 frame" found several online merchants who sell frames. Amazon had several that range in price from $3.99 - $12.99 so they don't have to be expensive or hard to get. The local Michaels craft store here in Arizona sells 8x12 frames and stocks them regularly. With the weekly coupon from the newspaper you can usually get them for 40% off retail. Best of luck with your search, please post a picture of your framed photo after you get it printed and framed.

Jeff
 
To help you the best, let us know what the actual pixel size of the image is. (i.e. 1600x1200, 2048x1536, etc.) You say that it works at 4x6, so we have been using that as a guide. Knowing the actual aspect ratio may offer even more options.

I was suggesting that you print it on an 8x10 but the actual size will be more like 6.67x10. It all comes down to how much you want to spend. At most printing places, the price goes up sharply once you get past 8x10 because the next standard print size is larger than a standard 8.5x11 paper size. That often requires a much more expensive printer. It all depends on the place though. You are likely to get a better deal with a larger organization like Walmart, Target, or one of the online places. I believe that Walmart uses Fuji processing and Target uses Kodak. I would not pay more than $10 for the 8x12, but some places may charge $30 plus.

The 6.67x10 will likely be printed on 8x10 paper and the 8x12 will likely be printed on 11x14 paper, so look at those prices. Some places will want to charge you extra to trim off the unused area of the print. I can see why they would want to charge if it is 100 prints, but if it is only one or two, I would not be happy if they charged me for that service. Check first before you order the print. You can trim it yourself, but if you mess up, you have to go buy another print. Another option is to ask for it centered on the paper with no trimming, if you are going to have it matted and use a larger frame.

No matter what size you decide, I personally think that framed pictures look better when you use a larger frame and matting. Professional framers will have a large selection of matting colors, but this is one of those things that you can do yourself cheaper if you have the skill. The lines are not that difficult, it is the corners that get me. My Walmart sells inexpensive uncut matting, but only in off white.

Not to complicate things any further, but you can always add your own digital matting in your image editor. Many editors have a built in function to do all of this for you, so check for that first. It may be called a border in the program. If not, you start with a new blank image that is somewhat larger than your original and that has the same aspect ratio of the frame you want to use. Set the background color to the color you want for the matting and then paste your image in the center. To add even more effect, you can add a small border (5-10 pixels) around the actual image that is a slightly different color than the matting color. This does not look as nice as real matting, but is free.

Good luck!

Kevin
 
spoon2003 said:
Just ordered an 8x12, this will make Grandma very happy!!

Sue


Oops...

Sorry, I did not get my reply in before I saw your post. I hit reply before you posted and then had to leave my desk for about an hour.

Kevin
 
Kevin,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I ordered from both Costco and Mpix, Mpix is a bit more but I want to compare the quality. I will probably get a custom mat and larger frame.


Sue
 
MPIX quality will be superior, paper and printing.... for future reference I'm pretty sure that ritz stocks 8x12 frames, the sales associate should have explained it to you and showed you the frames as well..
 
I use 8x12 prints quite often. Michaels sells 8x12 frames. But I use larger frames. 12x16 in frames and get a matte that fits that. I was lucky and found a local camera shop that had tons of mattes for 8x12 prints for both 11x14 frames and 12x16 frames. They also had a few 12x16 frames with the mattes included. Unfortunately they went out of business. Haven't yet been able to find more 8x12in mattes for 11x14 or 12x16 frames.

Michael's has great frames at good prices especially when they go on sale for 40% off or they have a coupon in the add for 50% off. I like their frames better than A.C. Moore, but thats my preference.

As for mattes I guess I could just have Michael's make the mattes for me, but I'm hoping to get a deal like I found at that local shop that went out of business. I think at Michaels the mattes would be up around $10.

I've found a few places on line, but need to look them up again and plug in the exact measurements I need to get a better price. IIRC some of those places were about $4 per matte. If I find them again in the near future I'll post the web sites.
 
One other option would have been to resize it to 8x10 without constraining it to the original aspect ratio. This would have distorted the look, making people and objects either taller and thinner or shorter and fatter (depending upon the original orientation). It would probably look hideous, but I see people do it all the time with 4:3 aspect ration TV shows on their 16:9 aspect ratio TVs. Of course, with the TVs, it makes ultra-thin TV stars look more like normal people.
 














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