CaptainMidnight
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Where are you? What happenned?
HELP: My sister thinks I'm ripping her off, am I?
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Where are you? What happenned?
JonHM
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You are absolutely correct that quite a number of posts about very young children who enjoy Epcot and MGM had NOTHING to do with the original poster's post. Nothing at all.
They were actually in response to your post claiming that "Children under five would not understand or appreciate Epcot, plus the distances involved would quickly wear them out. I doubt that they would like MGM, since most of the rides would be off limits to them."
You received many responses to that post, but now you want us all to stick to the exact topic of the original thread.
I definitely would like to hear from Kidzrus to hear how things are going, but I believe that if someone posts something that we feel strongly about, whether exactly on the original topic or not, that we all have a right to discuss it. I am sorry that you do not feel the same way.
They were actually in response to your post claiming that "Children under five would not understand or appreciate Epcot, plus the distances involved would quickly wear them out. I doubt that they would like MGM, since most of the rides would be off limits to them."
You received many responses to that post, but now you want us all to stick to the exact topic of the original thread.
I definitely would like to hear from Kidzrus to hear how things are going, but I believe that if someone posts something that we feel strongly about, whether exactly on the original topic or not, that we all have a right to discuss it. I am sorry that you do not feel the same way.
It is just human nature to get sidetracked along the way. I do it all the time. However, it would have been more appropriate and less confusing to have begun a new thread with a new topic such as "Which Theme Park is Best for Young Children" or something similiar. Then the thread would have been deemed more appropriate in another forum or at the debate board. I guess we really need to stay "on topic" and as you can see, I am "off topic" too as I type this.
It would be off-topic because it is not the main idea or point of the original post by Kidrus. The main idea being whether or not Kidrus was ripping off her sister by charging one-half of $2800 ( $1400 per person) for a 7 night day in a 2BR at the BCV which reportedly they had previously agreed upon. The main idea suggests that the reason her sister felt she was being ripped off was because of the cost and not because other parks such as MGM or Epcot are inappropriate for young children nor liked by them. The thread was beginning to stray from the original main idea or subject of the thread when posters began debating about the pros/cons of taking children to other parks than the MK. It is at this point that it would appear to make sense to start a new subject or thread on the true subject or topic now being discussed.
JonHM
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I must respectfully disagree. Given that it was kind of a crucial part of the original post, I think in retrospect that it was perfectly on topic.
Besides, Legalsea was one of the first ones to take that little 'side-road', if you don't believe it was a direct part of the original topic, and then when others began responding with *their* thoughts on said topic, Legalsea came back and made the call to return to the original topic.
Part of what makes this board great are the little side discussions that arise on threads - it makes it more like real discussion with friends. That is just the nature of these types of conversations.
Besides, Legalsea was one of the first ones to take that little 'side-road', if you don't believe it was a direct part of the original topic, and then when others began responding with *their* thoughts on said topic, Legalsea came back and made the call to return to the original topic.
Part of what makes this board great are the little side discussions that arise on threads - it makes it more like real discussion with friends. That is just the nature of these types of conversations.
LOL! I totally agree with you
That is one of the reasons I love these boards. Besides, I mentioned previously that it is just human nature to get side-tracked with our discussions and also makes the boards fun and more interesting. I was just giving an English 101 primer on why we are off topic. Also.....that is why we have different forums and thread topics so as to have some sense of order and ease for the reader. BTW.....do you realize that we have just started another whole topic?CaptainMidnight
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Where's the update from the original poster? After all the time and effort people have put into sharing the wonderful advice listed here, an update would be appreciated.
What's the latest?
What's the latest?
ripleysmom
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I think that you should book rooms at the All-Stars then if she doesn't like it.
Next time, before offering advice, perhaps we should ask a poster asking for this type of advice if they are going to let us know how things turn out. After tehy agree, then we can provide advice and guidance. Personally, I probably wouldn't have posted such a personal family situation, but the poster decided that was OK and asked for advice. 7 pages of some great advice was given. It'd be nice to know the outcome.
I may be all wet, but that's my opinion.
I may be all wet, but that's my opinion.
Hi everyone,
First I wanted to give a great big THANK YOU!!!! to everyone who has responded. As I mentioned, this has been very difficult for me and I greatly appreciate all of the support and advice I've gotten here.
Did I also mention that I have a newborn? It has been hard to find the time to read the many responses and respond myself. Just when I think I have the time WA WA WA!!! (uh oh here we go again) I promise to give an update asap. Things are still weird but better.
First I wanted to give a great big THANK YOU!!!! to everyone who has responded. As I mentioned, this has been very difficult for me and I greatly appreciate all of the support and advice I've gotten here.
Did I also mention that I have a newborn? It has been hard to find the time to read the many responses and respond myself. Just when I think I have the time WA WA WA!!! (uh oh here we go again) I promise to give an update asap. Things are still weird but better.
(j/k 
)Hi everyone,
Again, I really appreciate all of the suggestions! I know, as one poster said, I have shared somewhat personal info., but I did need objective advice about whether I was presenting a bad deal to my sister. And now, well, I feel I should finish what I started... you know, for closure!
Well, thanks to you guys I was able to email links of the BCV pictures to my sister. I did not hear from her for a few days. When she called, she sounded really upbeat. I asked her point blank if she still thought I was ripping her off, and she said "OH NO!" (That's the good news). Then she said "OK. Here's the deal"... that she didn't want to go this year, and that next year she would organize a family trip to WDW, including my parents and grandparents (12 in all), and that my mother would be calling me to get the details. I asked her if she was sure that this is what she wanted to do, and she was emphatic and resolute that it was. Well, I was surprised and a tiny bit disappointed by this. Surprised because my parents and grandparents have never liked Disney (In fact, we had a house in Florida growing up and we only went to Disney once, and it was a painful day trip, a 5 hour drive each way and we were all tired!) and they have also indicated that money is tight now. I was disappointed because I was really looking forward to spending the time just with my sister and her kids. But then, I thought that maybe a big family vacation could be fun.
Anyway, my mother calls me a few hours later. Having learned at this point not to impose my opinion, from the get-go I said to my mother "I would like to help but I don't need to be involved at all if that's what you prefer. There are many good travel agents who specialize in Disney. But I am here to help share what I know if you would like" Well, she said she would like some input regarding accomodations. I went through all of the options I knew about and when I asked what was most important she said she really liked being near Epcot because of the restaurant options and she also thought we should stay together to avoid logistical problems. So, I thought Boardwalk Grand Villa. But then, when I explained the sleeping arrangements, she did not like the idea of people sleeping in the common area, so ultimately we decided that 2 2 bedrooms at the Beach Club would be best (she liked the idea of the pool and she thought my Dad would like Beaches n Cream). I explained the price to her and she was pleased that this option did not appear to be worse than the grand villa. I was just relieved that everyone seemed to be happy (although my dh was making noises that he might not want to go with all of those people, he would do it to keep the peace)
Well, the next day my mother asks me if the price I gave her included park passes for everyone. When I told her no, she was just shocked and went on about how Disney isn't doing well and why do they charge so much and they can't go on charging this much so why don't we go in 2004 when Disney will come to their senses and include park passes. (The thought crossed my mind to gently remind her that we wouldn't be going through Disney, but she was too irate.) At this point, I'm realizing that this whole thing is likely a lost cause and I just try to go with the flow.
My sister then calls to say how excited she is about going in 2004 and that it is a definite.
My mother then calls to say she can't afford to take everyone in 2004. I said I never expected her to pay for us. She says she thinks it will be too much of a zoo with everyone and my parents will just be taking my sister and her family in 2004. She says she hopes I understand that my sister has never been to Disney before (as an adult) and I will probably end up going many times just with my own family.
Do you think I had an easy childhood?
Anyway, I cannot lie. I was disappointed that a vacation that was intended to be with my sister and our kids ends up being a vacation that includes everyone but my family. I really wish my mother had not brought up the family vacation idea in the first place.
I then get an e-mail from my father thanking me for the information and saying that we will all go on the trip when the timing is right.
I am glad my father sent this e-mail. Whether we all end up going or not, it somehow made me feel a little bit better to have some acknowledgement that I had atleast been helpful.
I certainly do not expect the kind people on this board to speculate about the idiosyncrasies of my family. I am all at peace with this now. And I'm sure that if I had not sent those pictures to my sister she would still think that I was ripping her off. It is wonderful that she no longer thinks this, although there is still a distance between us that was not there before.
I think the root problem is probably that my bil is still against Disney (before they were married he told me he thought it was bad for children) But after 10 years of marriage to my sister and my sister saying that he was now ok with it, I did not forsee problems. He is a lawyer and I think he used any evidence he could to say that the funds should not be made available for Disney. My sister then looked for sponsorship from my parents and, trying not to show favoritism, my parents tried to bring everyone along. Then the reality set in that it would not be affordable to bring everyone in the syle we wanted to go.
Anyway, it seems that the initial plan of going with my sis is dead. I was very sad about this but figure that WDW is not the right venue for getting the cousins together. As someone on this board said, you can only be responsible for your own happiness, not someone else's. Very sound advice.
Another thing I learned is how lucky a couple is if they both feel the same way about Disney. I would not want to be in the position my sister is in now (if what I am guessing is correct) I am giving my husband a big hug right now!
Without a a doubt, you guys really helped me during a time when I could have spiraled down into a real funk over this exercise in futility. It is easy to feel a little moody sometimes when you are up all night with a baby and you guys really helped me to continue to feel good about this and going to Disney. You are really a wonderful group of people and I wish I had more like you in the real world! I really hope to join DVC some day and hopefully meet some of you. Maybe someday I'll be a proud owner and can invite my sister with no hard feelings!
Thanks again!!
kidzrus
Again, I really appreciate all of the suggestions! I know, as one poster said, I have shared somewhat personal info., but I did need objective advice about whether I was presenting a bad deal to my sister. And now, well, I feel I should finish what I started... you know, for closure!
Well, thanks to you guys I was able to email links of the BCV pictures to my sister. I did not hear from her for a few days. When she called, she sounded really upbeat. I asked her point blank if she still thought I was ripping her off, and she said "OH NO!" (That's the good news). Then she said "OK. Here's the deal"... that she didn't want to go this year, and that next year she would organize a family trip to WDW, including my parents and grandparents (12 in all), and that my mother would be calling me to get the details. I asked her if she was sure that this is what she wanted to do, and she was emphatic and resolute that it was. Well, I was surprised and a tiny bit disappointed by this. Surprised because my parents and grandparents have never liked Disney (In fact, we had a house in Florida growing up and we only went to Disney once, and it was a painful day trip, a 5 hour drive each way and we were all tired!) and they have also indicated that money is tight now. I was disappointed because I was really looking forward to spending the time just with my sister and her kids. But then, I thought that maybe a big family vacation could be fun.
Anyway, my mother calls me a few hours later. Having learned at this point not to impose my opinion, from the get-go I said to my mother "I would like to help but I don't need to be involved at all if that's what you prefer. There are many good travel agents who specialize in Disney. But I am here to help share what I know if you would like" Well, she said she would like some input regarding accomodations. I went through all of the options I knew about and when I asked what was most important she said she really liked being near Epcot because of the restaurant options and she also thought we should stay together to avoid logistical problems. So, I thought Boardwalk Grand Villa. But then, when I explained the sleeping arrangements, she did not like the idea of people sleeping in the common area, so ultimately we decided that 2 2 bedrooms at the Beach Club would be best (she liked the idea of the pool and she thought my Dad would like Beaches n Cream). I explained the price to her and she was pleased that this option did not appear to be worse than the grand villa. I was just relieved that everyone seemed to be happy (although my dh was making noises that he might not want to go with all of those people, he would do it to keep the peace)
Well, the next day my mother asks me if the price I gave her included park passes for everyone. When I told her no, she was just shocked and went on about how Disney isn't doing well and why do they charge so much and they can't go on charging this much so why don't we go in 2004 when Disney will come to their senses and include park passes. (The thought crossed my mind to gently remind her that we wouldn't be going through Disney, but she was too irate.) At this point, I'm realizing that this whole thing is likely a lost cause and I just try to go with the flow.
My sister then calls to say how excited she is about going in 2004 and that it is a definite.
My mother then calls to say she can't afford to take everyone in 2004. I said I never expected her to pay for us. She says she thinks it will be too much of a zoo with everyone and my parents will just be taking my sister and her family in 2004. She says she hopes I understand that my sister has never been to Disney before (as an adult) and I will probably end up going many times just with my own family.
Do you think I had an easy childhood?
Anyway, I cannot lie. I was disappointed that a vacation that was intended to be with my sister and our kids ends up being a vacation that includes everyone but my family. I really wish my mother had not brought up the family vacation idea in the first place.
I then get an e-mail from my father thanking me for the information and saying that we will all go on the trip when the timing is right.
I am glad my father sent this e-mail. Whether we all end up going or not, it somehow made me feel a little bit better to have some acknowledgement that I had atleast been helpful.
I certainly do not expect the kind people on this board to speculate about the idiosyncrasies of my family. I am all at peace with this now. And I'm sure that if I had not sent those pictures to my sister she would still think that I was ripping her off. It is wonderful that she no longer thinks this, although there is still a distance between us that was not there before.
I think the root problem is probably that my bil is still against Disney (before they were married he told me he thought it was bad for children) But after 10 years of marriage to my sister and my sister saying that he was now ok with it, I did not forsee problems. He is a lawyer and I think he used any evidence he could to say that the funds should not be made available for Disney. My sister then looked for sponsorship from my parents and, trying not to show favoritism, my parents tried to bring everyone along. Then the reality set in that it would not be affordable to bring everyone in the syle we wanted to go.
Anyway, it seems that the initial plan of going with my sis is dead. I was very sad about this but figure that WDW is not the right venue for getting the cousins together. As someone on this board said, you can only be responsible for your own happiness, not someone else's. Very sound advice.
Another thing I learned is how lucky a couple is if they both feel the same way about Disney. I would not want to be in the position my sister is in now (if what I am guessing is correct) I am giving my husband a big hug right now!
Without a a doubt, you guys really helped me during a time when I could have spiraled down into a real funk over this exercise in futility. It is easy to feel a little moody sometimes when you are up all night with a baby and you guys really helped me to continue to feel good about this and going to Disney. You are really a wonderful group of people and I wish I had more like you in the real world! I really hope to join DVC some day and hopefully meet some of you. Maybe someday I'll be a proud owner and can invite my sister with no hard feelings!
Thanks again!!
kidzrus
Kidzrus,
Thanks for sharing with us how things turned out. Most of all, thank you for your kind words of appreciation to all here who offered advice. It sounds like you did your best to please everyone in your family and I think you handled it just perfectly!
Thanks for sharing with us how things turned out. Most of all, thank you for your kind words of appreciation to all here who offered advice. It sounds like you did your best to please everyone in your family and I think you handled it just perfectly!
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