Help me convince my DD she can't borrow an AP...

[Willa]

Best wishes for your daughter and future son-in-law, Willa. Blessings for a very long, healthy and happy life together, enjoying a bit of DIsney along the way.

Thank you, Dan, that's very kind.

 

[cruisingkat]

The finger scans do really work, but there is about a 1/1,000 probability of a duplication. Often the Guest is not sure which finger was used first and will try another and it will work.

If I am at a turnstile and a ticket rejects with an "IDENTIFICATION FAILS" message my first suggestion is to try again, maybe it did not get a good read. My second question to the Guest is are you sure that is the correct finger. Third may be did you switch tickets with someone else.

After that, if the ticket has a name on it (and all APs have the name printed) I will ask for identification. If it does not have a name there are other questions I can ask and see the answer on my side of the turnstile. (Those questions I will not publicize.)

I have several options, including sending the Guest to Guest Relations or other choices. And if I happen to be in GR and not at a turnstile there are certain things I can see on the computer to ask about to see if the tickets really belong to the person.

Not to take this off-topic but since Cheshire posted what happens if the scanner print doesn't match -
I have a problem with scanners reading my fingerprint including the ones at Disney, Universal and even my own laptop (has a fingerprint log-in). My fingerprint matches less than 1/3 of the times - yes it is the same finger - but with my laptop, I have five different fingerprints recorded and still have the same problem. I was wondering if all cast members ask for identification as I have never been asked for ID when this happens (except at Universal) - they just press a button and let me in. Could the fact that I am entering right after my hubby be the reason they don't ask for my ID?
But thanks for the heads up so that I can put my ID near my ticket just in case I am asked and won't tie up the line while I search in my backpack.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I thin Op's question has been addressed, but I'll share our experience.

When using non-KTTW tickets we have sometimes forgotten to sign them - and mixed them up.

CM's once gave my mom a really hard time because she had switched tickets with my brother and esp since they were bought seperately. (even though she had id and same last name) We were all staying on property, all had legitimate tickets (though not a package deal), and all had a breakfast ADR together. We had arrived seperately though. Anyhow, since the switch up was first thing in the morning, the line at GR was long, and my mom easily lost over 20minutes getting her ticket issue resolved. I think it was more like 40min. We had a breakfast ADR and the place would not seat us until she got there.

The idea of losing 40minutes of prime morning park time alone is enough to deter me!

 

[mrsltg]

Whether or not the family knew it was cheating and fraud is not for me (or any of you) to worry about.

My daughter will be talking it over with her fiance, and the two of them together will make the right decision.

Don't worry about who thinks what. You asked an honest question and clearly aren't trying to cheat so there's no big deal. I'm glad your dd and sil know the situation before they go on their honeymoon and have a hard time! I hope they have a great wedding, wonderful honeymoon, and amazing life together. Congratulations!

 

[nanalisa]

Don't worry about who thinks what. You asked an honest question and clearly aren't trying to cheat so there's no big deal. I'm glad your dd and sil know the situation before they go on their honeymoon and have a hard time! I hope they have a great wedding, wonderful honeymoon, and amazing life together. Congratulations!

Ditto

 

[PatsMom]

OP - congratulations on the upcoming wedding!

I just wanted to add that I've had my AP for years and the sequence Cheshire Figment describes is exactly what I have had happen to me. I had a lot of trouble with the finger scans, especially the old two finger scan. I've been told to try again, then asked for picture ID. I always have my drivers license with me, so it isn't a problem. I show my ID, its compared to the pass and they let me in. So whoever told your daughter that he could "share" his annual passes was badly misinformed. Glad you asked the question so that your daughter isn't badly embarrased at the turnstiles. What a way that would be to start your honeymoon!

 

[aubriee]

We have had annual passes for nine of the last ten years. There have been many times when our passes/finger scans did not work and the CM had to override or we had to actually replace passes. I can remember at least two occasions when one of our passes/finger scans didn't work and we were asked to produce ID on the spot.

But back to OP's story...Did this future cousin-in-law actually say that he had loaned his passes to other people without a problem? I'm thinking that statistically there had to have been problems during those other trips. As someone else pointed out...every park entry would be a risk of revealing the theft.

I go to WDW several times a year and for some reason every single trip I have trouble with my AP at least 1-3 times. Every single time, I've been asked to show my ID and then had to go over to guest services to get a new AP. I'm careful to keep the magnetic strip away from other magnetic strips, but still seem to have trouble on every single trip with it either demagnetizing or else not recognizing my finger scan. When your daughter and S-I-L can't produce the proper ID to match the AP they are trying to use, the AP will be confiscated and they'll still have buy new park tickets.

 

[goofyernmost]

Goodness gracious didn't anyone read the post where she explains the situation.

She asked the question, she got the answer, she never said that they were trying to fraud anyone, they were trying to verify an answer that she already knew but wanted to be sure so she could tell her daughter. That should have been the end of the discussion. Nothing to see here, everyone move on please.

It is useless to continue to beat a dead horse just to prove how morally upright everyone is. We know, we are all saints.

 

[PIRATEGIRL007]

Goodness gracious didn't anyone read the post where she explains the situation.

She asked the question, she got the answer, she never said that they were trying to fraud anyone, they were trying to verify an answer that she already knew but wanted to be sure so she could tell her daughter. That should have been the end of the discussion. Nothing to see here, everyone move on please.

It is useless to continue to beat a dead horse just to prove how morally upright everyone is. We know, we are all saints.

<bolding mine>

I am assuming this daughter that is getting married is a legal adult (18+) and she (and her fiance) don't know that taking something that isn't yours and passing it off as yours is wrong? I'd be more than a little concerned if my DD didn't know that at 8 much less as an adult.

 

[mrbghd]

OP here.

I am not trying to "protect" my daughter, I was trying to gather facts to show her this won't work. I have gathered that information and presented it.

I didn't mean "protect" in a negative way. I was talking about just what you said in this post you did-presenting her with the choices and getting her to see it was wrong. Hopefully your daughter can convince the fiance that this is a bad idea.

Try to enjoy the wedding, they can be stressful!

 

[DisneyAndRedSox]

We have been to WDW a few times when the scanners were turned off. May 2009 when the swine flu scare was on the scanners were not on. Also, during some very busy times they're off.

We have also seen them off every now and then, but last week they were on. Once my mom put in her AP and did the finger scan thing.. after being let through she realized she never took off her gloves!

 

[nanalisa]

Goodness gracious didn't anyone read the post where she explains the situation.

She asked the question, she got the answer, she never said that they were trying to fraud anyone, they were trying to verify an answer that she already knew but wanted to be sure so she could tell her daughter. That should have been the end of the discussion. Nothing to see here, everyone move on please.

It is useless to continue to beat a dead horse just to prove how morally upright everyone is. We know, we are all saints.

Thank you!

If I were Willa, the OP earning her ears, I would never come back. All or you pounding morality down this woman's throat could step back and try to be helpful and friendly instead of rude. Everyone is so afraid that someone is going to get something you didn't get. Going to Disney the first time anyone might ask the DIS boards if you could use someone's ticket, especially if the loaner said they've done it before.
I've been on the DIS boards since it started and it didn't get to be this big by indignant answers. I hope it stops soon.

 

[bumbershoot]

<bolding mine>

I am assuming this daughter that is getting married is a legal adult (18+) and she (and her fiance) don't know that taking something that isn't yours and passing it off as yours is wrong? I'd be more than a little concerned if my DD didn't know that at 8 much less as an adult.

I think that at issue is...she's being told by her future family that it is OK and allowed. So she's wondering. The OP knows differently, and wants to make sure her DD has all the info before she turns down her future family.

I have family in Port Orange FL. In the last year, I have pointed my cousin (a lifelong WDW fan) towards message boards a bit more. And I *think* that they know now that they can't buy us resident tickets.

But when we first started planning a trip out there, some 3 years ago, they flat out told us that they would buy us tickets, resident tickets, to save us some money (we'd pay them back, it wasn't a gift). They thought it was OK! They weren't trying to cheat, they absolutely thought it was OK.

If I didn't know better, I might go along with it. Heck, it's a continuing conversation ont he DLR boards, whether certain so cal tickets can be used by friends/relatives visiting so cal...many say it's allowed. I won't do it, I don't want to waste my time when I'm caught, and I don't want to get a ticket that isn't rightfully OK for me to use. But if I didn't know that, if I didn't play online so much, I might not know. So if one family is telling me "hey it's OK" and another family wants to tell me something that is going to negatively impact me, I bet the other person is going to want to get their facts absolutely perfect.

Which is what the OP is doing. And it's not a moral failing that the DD doesn't know...you don't know what you can't know, and if someone that you trust (or want to trust) is telling you something, it's hard to not believe in them!

 

[PIRATEGIRL007]

Which is what the OP is doing. And it's not a moral failing that the DD doesn't know...you don't know what you can't know, and if someone that you trust (or want to trust) is telling you something, it's hard to not believe in them!

Regardless of Disney or Disneyland issue or not your ok with your grown children not knowing it's not ok to take something that has someone else's name on it and claim it's their own. That's what it boils down to. Doesn't matter that it's Disney or a discount card for a local ice cream joint or someone's over 21 id. If it has someone else's name on it you shouldn't use it and try to pass if off as your own. period.

 

[Eljay]

Goodness gracious didn't anyone read the post where she explains the situation.

She asked the question, she got the answer, she never said that they were trying to fraud anyone, they were trying to verify an answer that she already knew but wanted to be sure so she could tell her daughter. That should have been the end of the discussion. Nothing to see here, everyone move on please.

It is useless to continue to beat a dead horse just to prove how morally upright everyone is. We know, we are all saints.

I don't get it? Aren't we done here?

 

[Willa]

I think that at issue is...she's being told by her future family that it is OK and allowed. So she's wondering. The OP knows differently, and wants to make sure her DD has all the info before she turns down her future family.

I have family in Port Orange FL. In the last year, I have pointed my cousin (a lifelong WDW fan) towards message boards a bit more. And I *think* that they know now that they can't buy us resident tickets.

But when we first started planning a trip out there, some 3 years ago, they flat out told us that they would buy us tickets, resident tickets, to save us some money (we'd pay them back, it wasn't a gift). They thought it was OK! They weren't trying to cheat, they absolutely thought it was OK.

If I didn't know better, I might go along with it. Heck, it's a continuing conversation ont he DLR boards, whether certain so cal tickets can be used by friends/relatives visiting so cal...many say it's allowed. I won't do it, I don't want to waste my time when I'm caught, and I don't want to get a ticket that isn't rightfully OK for me to use. But if I didn't know that, if I didn't play online so much, I might not know. So if one family is telling me "hey it's OK" and another family wants to tell me something that is going to negatively impact me, I bet the other person is going to want to get their facts absolutely perfect.

Which is what the OP is doing. And it's not a moral failing that the DD doesn't know...you don't know what you can't know, and if someone that you trust (or want to trust) is telling you something, it's hard to not believe in them!

Yes, this describes my DD and her situation perfectly. Thank you for saying it so beautifully, Bumbershoot. She is in an awkward position, where she wants to not offend her new family or ask her future husband to do so. She knows what she has to do, and she's trying to find the right way to do it without getting off on the wrong foot with her inlaws-to-be, who were excited about doing (what they thought was) this nice thing for her.

I am going to try to make this be the last thing I say on this subject. This is not my first time hanging out on an internet board, so I know this kind of thing can happen, and it's not going to be nearly enough to chase me away. Someone who was new to the whole process might be another story.

Let me close one more time with a big thank you to all who helped. You guys are pretty cool.

 

[bumbershoot]

Regardless of Disney or Disneyland issue or not your ok with your grown children not knowing it's not ok to take something that has someone else's name on it and claim it's their own. That's what it boils down to. Doesn't matter that it's Disney or a discount card for a local ice cream joint or someone's over 21 id. If it has someone else's name on it you shouldn't use it and try to pass if off as your own. period.

How is the OP's daughter supposed to know that an AP has a name on it? Especially if she's being told by future family members that they've had others use them before?


Glad I could help, Willa. Hope your daughter listens. We were broke when we were planning our wedding and honeymoon, and sure could have used price breaks of hundreds of dollars, but to go into a situation where it is SO likely to end poorly (and more expensively...paying 230 now for an undercovertourist ticket is better than 300 at the gates!) isn't a way to start off a marriage. Hope she can hear you!

With my family, I actually just said "Oh we've already bought them" even though we hadn't. No one's feelings get hurt, no one's judgment is questioned, etc.

 

[verticalchaos]

Just a thought... If it's too awkward to say no and explain why, they could always accept the APs but just leave them at home and not use them, then when they return the APs talk about the wonderful time they had without revealing that the APs were never used.

It's not totally honest, but there are times when a white lie is better than the awkwardness that could ensue.

 

[sharadoc]

Just a thought... If it's too awkward to say no and explain why, they could always accept the APs but just leave them at home and not use them, then when they return the APs talk about the wonderful time they had without revealing that the APs were never used.

It's not totally honest, but there are times when a white lie is better than the awkwardness that could ensue.

This could be an easy out for her, then when she gets back she could explain that it didn't work. Then her DH's family won't be tempted to do it again!

It's tough being the daughter-in-law! Hopefully she'll be okay and not let this affect anything All the best!

 

[VAfamily1998]

Just a thought... If it's too awkward to say no and explain why, they could always accept the APs but just leave them at home and not use them, then when they return the APs talk about the wonderful time they had without revealing that the APs were never used.

It's not totally honest, but there are times when a white lie is better than the awkwardness that could ensue.

I wonder if that's what previous people had done, and that's why the pass holders thought that other people had done it without a problem