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DebbieinWA

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DH has just given me the go-ahead to buy a DSLR. I was wondering what models others on this board have bought and really liked? I'm looking for an entry level model that I will be able to grow with and add lenses as my skills improve. I've looked at the reviews and comparisons - but I'd really like to hear what you folks here are using and liking. Most of the pictures I'll be taking would be of nature, family shots, and vacation locations. Models I'm looking at (in my price range) are: the Nikon D40, Canon Xti, Olympus Evolt 510 or the Sony A200. Thanks for your imput!
 
Add the Pentax K100D or K200 to your list and you've got the entry level covered. My advice is to go to a camera store and handle them all to narrow it down a bit ;)
 
I have the D40. It's light in weight and high in clarity...

I did alot of research and then actually went to Best Buy and put each camera I like *in* my hand. I was most comfortable with and am quite happy with my D40. My job had the D80, the D40 is ALOT more comfortable to carry around the parks.

...be careful tho, the D40 seems to be limited in lens choices because of how the auto focus works on them. Mine came with a 18 to 55 and a 55 to 200mm lenses thru Amazon and could DEFINITELY grow with you~
 
DH has just given me the go-ahead to buy a DSLR. I was wondering what models others on this board have bought and really liked? I'm looking for an entry level model that I will be able to grow with and add lenses as my skills improve. I've looked at the reviews and comparisons - but I'd really like to hear what you folks here are using and liking. Most of the pictures I'll be taking would be of nature, family shots, and vacation locations. Models I'm looking at (in my price range) are: the Nikon D40, Canon Xti, Olympus Evolt 510 or the Sony A200. Thanks for your imput!


They are all good DSLR's and any of them will give you great photos.
I would look at the Sony A300 over the A200 though.
I have the A100 and like it so far. The feature I like the most would be the Study Shot.
It is a good thing to have when using the 80-300lens.

Charles
 

You should also look at the Pentax K20D / Samsung GX-20. They aren't popular in the US yet, but they are doing well internationally and have an enthusiastic following on this board.

Each camera has it's own strengths and weaknesses. The most unique is the Olympus, which is substantially smaller than the others and which uses a 4:3 aspect ratio sensor rather than a 6:4.

Be sure to handle each camera that you consider. They all feel and operate differently. Also, be sure to consider the larger system rather than just the camera itself. For the lenses you intend to buy, which system offers the best value? If you think you might rent specialty lenses, what is the availability of those lenses for the system you choose? Do you have friends that you can share expertise and equipment with?

At the entry level, things are quite mixed. The smaller market makers are including features not found in the entry level Nikon/Canon models. If you don't mind buying outside the mainstream, they represent some great values.

At the very high end of the DSLR market, Canon and Nikon dominate. Canon was, in my opinion, the technology leader until very recently. I think that the latest flagship Nikon bests the top Canon in most categories I find important.

All of the current, mainstream DSLRs are great cameras and represent good values. The trick is to find the one that is right for you personally.
 
You should also throw in the Rebel XT.

I personally have a Pentax K100D and am very happy with it. Pentax just turned over models and the old ones are very hard to find, so really low prices are not in the lineup right now. There are still some K10D's around for a really good price, but it seems to be a little more than the others you are looking at.

Kevin
 
You should also look at the Pentax K20D / Samsung GX-20. They aren't popular in the US yet, but they are doing well internationally and have an enthusiastic following on this board.
Hmm, I'm not sure why you'd say that they're not popular in the US yet. Are you speaking of Pentax in general or the K20D in particular? I think they're selling pretty well but they're not cheap. They have been getting raves from all buyers so far, it's a big jump ahead of the already very good K10D. Either way, it's only been out for a couple months (and its original release date was "April" so it came out early) so I think it's early to say how sales are going.)

It is definitely in a somewhat different league than the listed cameras - if the OP's price league is the D40, XTi, etc, then the K20D is going to be at least twice that.

The K200D may still be out of range, too; it's new enough that prices really haven't started to drop on it too much. Amazon has it w/lens for $700, and the other big new ones are similarly high - XSi is $900 and D60 is $725. It'll be a couple more months, I think, before the new models can compete on price. :)

The K10D may be within reach and is a more advanced camera than the others, but it is getting pretty scarce... the K100D Super is definitely in the price range but definitely hard to find now.

DebbieinWA, the good news is that any DSLR should be able to grow with you as your skills improve, and you'll probably be happy with any of them. But each one has some specific advantages and disadvantages, which may make one a slightly better fit than others.
 
Hmm, I'm not sure why you'd say that they're not popular in the US yet. Are you speaking of Pentax in general or the K20D in particular? I think they're selling pretty well but they're not cheap. They have been getting raves from all buyers so far, it's a big jump ahead of the already very good K10D. Either way, it's only been out for a couple months (and its original release date was "April" so it came out early) so I think it's early to say how sales are going.)

From personal experience, I can't recall seeing a Pentax DSLR "in the wild" while I see lots of Canon and Nikons as well as an occasional Olympus and Sony. I've seen sales figures that show Pentax 3rd in Japan. Here, I can find the other four at the big box retailers, but never a Pentax. So what I've concluded from my travels around North America in the last year is that Pentax just isn't as popular as Olympus or Sony here.

In looking, I did find this article. I don't know whether these are US or international numbers.

2007 DSLR Market shares from http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1207604859.html:

Canon 43%
Nikon 40%
Sony 7%
Olympus 6%

The other 4% isn't listed, but I assume that it is divided between Pentax, Fuji, and Sigma.

Also from the same article: "The big winner for 2007 was Samsung, which was able to move solidly into the top tier of the market, with stunning success in Western Europe, Asia Pacific and parts of ROW, most notably Eastern Europe."
 
My first was the canon XTi- I loved it and learned a lot with it. I have noticed the price is coming down since the upgrade has been released. Wolf/Ritz camera has a pretty good deal on it right now with an additional lens in the package too. I have bought both of my cameras from Wolf camera - the extended warranty with them can NOT be beat!
 
Here is my personal speculation on what is to come for the Pentax mount. This is just my guess, so I could be way off.

Pentax is never going to try to challenge the big guys. They do not want to even try. They will continue to work their niche and probably move to a more mid to high range of offerings and not concentrate on the entry level. There is likely going to always be an entry level model in the lineup, but I see them pushing the higher end stuff and even have a pro model very soon.

Entry level is where Samsung steps in IMO. They are really gaining market strength worldwide (not really visible here in the US) and they are going to use that to gain in the DSLR market. I believe that they are going to take a different route from Pentax on the next generation changeover. They might share some models, but I expect to see at least one unique to Samsung and I expect it on the entry level. They will likely just continue re-badging the high end models for a couple generations. Pentax might not let them on the very top of the line though. Eventually they will be completely separate lineups with Samsung outselling Pentax big time. Eventually I see the Pentax mount being a strong third place with the chance of giving C&N a run for the money. I do not see Samsung taking over the lens side at all though. I believe that will completely remain with Pentax and third parties. The other possibility is that Samsung eventually buys Pentax.

Kevin
 
I have an Olympus E500 and love it!! My friend, she has the E510 & she loves it also. It is a little lighter weight than the 500, but a lot of the options are the same as mine. I would buy another Olympus in a heartbeat.
 
I agree with going into a store and handling the cameras. See how they feel (weight, buttons, grip, functions, etc); scroll through the menus and see how intuitive they are (which would require the cameras actually are functional -in some stores, they aren't). Realize that technology is moving fairly quickly.

Do your homework. Research each one. Look at company websites and review sites like dpreview. Read user forums. Look at sample photos on flickr. Talk to people. Sleep on it - it shouldn't be a hasty decision.

I went with the Olympus E-510 with two lens kit. I liked the fact that it was smaller than most dSLRs yet packed with many of the most modern features available. I was confident it was capable of taking beautiful shots because I'd seen them (though I realized that my actually getting them is a whole other matter ;) ).

I'd recommend if you're seriously considering Oly, that you spend some time over on the Olympus SLR forums on dpreview; there's a lot of good information there.

Good luck with whatever you decide. As others have said, they're all good in their own right, and you should be able to get nice shots with any of them. Your choice will be a matter of personal preference.
 
From personal experience, I can't recall seeing a Pentax DSLR "in the wild" while I see lots of Canon and Nikons as well as an occasional Olympus and Sony.

I can relate to the comment about seeing Pentax cameras 'in the wild'. Last few times at DW I have seen dozens of yellow Nikon straps- the red pentax straps really stand out from a mile away and I have seen exactly two of them ever. Maybe Pentax folks just appreciate a better more comfy strap and all get nice op/tech straps- I don't know. ;)

Anyways- I would agree with the group. All the brands have pretty solid offerings at the entry level. DPR has a great side-by-side comparrison tool HERE. Also look at the lenses available and features that are important to you- then go and handle the brands you like most and make an educated decision.
 
I can relate to the comment about seeing Pentax cameras 'in the wild'. Last few times at DW I have seen dozens of yellow Nikon straps- the red pentax straps really stand out from a mile away and I have seen exactly two of them ever. Maybe Pentax folks just appreciate a better more comfy strap and all get nice op/tech straps- I don't know. ;)

I am probably looking for them more since I have one, but I seem to see as many of them as I do the Sonys while at WDW. I usually see at least 3-4 others on a typical weekend trip. What I hardly ever see are Olys. I saw my first ever Samsung two weekends ago. It was on a foreign tourist.

I have only used my Pentax brand strap once. I usually use a hand strap.

Kevin
 
I saw several Oly's in California over spring break. It surprised me.

A neighbor just bought an A100 on an impulse. He was thinking about moving up to a DSLR and saw one on sale. He's the first I've seen locally that has gotten the Sony that didn't have a Minolta background.

There seems to have been an Nikon explosion here recently. I was on a photo club outing a couple of months ago and the only DSLRs there were Nikons and one Sony. I was shooting video (a bit odd for a photo club outing, but being odd has never stopped me before). Some friends were down at High Island shooting birds over the weekend and the stands, which are usually crowded with the big white Canon lenses, were filled almost completely with Nikons. There was only one Canon shooter in the bunch.

BTW, if you guys think I look absurd with all my gear, you should see the sports photog that came to our meeting. He carries 3 1D Mark 2s, a 14mm lens, a 24-70mm lens, a 70-200 f/2.8, a 300mm f/2.8, and a 400mm f/2.8. He keeps a camera on both of the big lenses and the switches the others on the third body. Imagine trying to ride Everest with that setup.
 
In looking, I did find this article. I don't know whether these are US or international numbers.
Hmm. It seems like if you look at five different articles, you see five different sets of numbers. :) Most 2007 stats I've seen show Nikon beating Canon for 2007 with Pentax in third, around 8% IIRC.

Here is my personal speculation on what is to come for the Pentax mount. This is just my guess, so I could be way off.

Pentax is never going to try to challenge the big guys. They do not want to even try. They will continue to work their niche and probably move to a more mid to high range of offerings and not concentrate on the entry level. There is likely going to always be an entry level model in the lineup, but I see them pushing the higher end stuff and even have a pro model very soon.

Entry level is where Samsung steps in IMO. They are really gaining market strength worldwide (not really visible here in the US) and they are going to use that to gain in the DSLR market. I believe that they are going to take a different route from Pentax on the next generation changeover. They might share some models, but I expect to see at least one unique to Samsung and I expect it on the entry level. They will likely just continue re-badging the high end models for a couple generations. Pentax might not let them on the very top of the line though. Eventually they will be completely separate lineups with Samsung outselling Pentax big time. Eventually I see the Pentax mount being a strong third place with the chance of giving C&N a run for the money. I do not see Samsung taking over the lens side at all though. I believe that will completely remain with Pentax and third parties. The other possibility is that Samsung eventually buys Pentax.

Kevin
I doubt that we'll see Pentax buy Samsung. I do wonder if we'll see someone else use Samsung sensors in the same way that Nikon and Pentax and Fuji use Sony sensors. The K20D sensor is a real corker, with some amazing capabilities.

One rumor floating around is that Samsung may do a full-frame DSLR using the Pentax mount before Pentax does... I dunno, but I suppose it's possible. I don't think Pentax is going to skip entry-level - the K200D is specced slightly higher than most entry-levels and the strong rumor is that we'll see a cheaper K2000D come later this year, along with a K2D pro-level - probably basically a K20D with faster FPS and maybe a new AF system (though the K20D's, for the initial reports of it being "unchanged", is clearly superior to the K10D's by all accounts).

I do think that Pentax is not particularly interested in trying to become #1. Look at their marketing - they are going for the same market they always have - the advanced amateur. Their marketing speaks of their history and the K1000 and the desire to take photos rather than ponder technical details. I think that they want to make a camera for people who enjoy taking photos (not necessarily "have to" like a pro) and can appreciate the features. They do a good job of having the cameras "just work". They're very loyal to existing owners (for example, including old-fashioned screw-drive AF on new lenses that also do lens-motor focusing so old cameras can use them), and the entry-level cameras generally aren't handicapped by important features being removed. This photographer-centric attitude is also probably part of the reason why Pentax sells primarily in camera stores, not places like Office Max or Wal-Mart or Best Buy.

I can relate to the comment about seeing Pentax cameras 'in the wild'. Last few times at DW I have seen dozens of yellow Nikon straps- the red pentax straps really stand out from a mile away and I have seen exactly two of them ever. Maybe Pentax folks just appreciate a better more comfy strap and all get nice op/tech straps- I don't know. ;)
Well, for a week, there'll be two more Pentax DSLRs there, one with a black Op/Tech and one with a red Op/Tech. :)

I am probably looking for them more since I have one, but I seem to see as many of them as I do the Sonys while at WDW. I usually see at least 3-4 others on a typical weekend trip. What I hardly ever see are Olys. I saw my first ever Samsung two weekends ago. It was on a foreign tourist.

I have only used my Pentax brand strap once. I usually use a hand strap.

Kevin
FWIW, I can't recall ever seeing an Olympus or Sony at WDW, or anywhere else for that matter except on display in a store. I have definitely seen Pentaxes "in the wild" including at Disney parks. Actually, now that I think of it, I have have seen one Sony.

If you're looking at the camera itself, it's easily to mistake a Pentax for a Nikon, most Pentax DSLRs can be mistaken for a D50 or D80. You can tell them from the other entry-levels easily by the presence of a top LCD. :teeth:

To sum up, though, I'm not concerned with specific numbers but Pentax is clearly performing as well as they want to. Again, just look at how quickly the K100D and K10D disappeared as soon as Pentax stopped production. Also note that Sigma and Tamron are releasing many more Pentax-mount lenses recently.
 
Groucho,

I think we are somewhat agreeing, but in a different way of saying it. I totally agree that Pentax markets for the more advanced user instead of the entry level person. They will never remove an entry level model from the lineup. I just think the marketing will gear towards the mid to high end once the pro model is introduced. I believe Samsung IS out to give C&N a run for the money and plan to use the Pentax mount to get there. I see them pushing the entry level model to capture market share and future upgrades. This is exactly what Canon does with the Rebel and Nikon does with the D40/D40x/D60 series.

Kevin
 
After wanting to jump from a p/s, I did lots of research and asked lots of questions on photo boards about the camera that was right for me for the situations I would most use it in. I ended up buying the Pentax K1000D super. I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what it is capable of, and most of it I still don't even understand. However, I have been using it mostly as a p/s and have gotten some amazing photos. I didn't bring it to our recent trip to wdw because I was it is heavy to carry around and I was worried about it getting lost or broken or wet. I resorted back to my Kodak which takes good outdoor photos, but nothing like the Pentax. I bought a Maxpedition bag online to carry it around it and I put some cushy stuff in the bottom of the bag to protect the camera. The bag has lots of pockets and room to carry lots of camera gear, a cell phone, tickets, etc.
 
fortcampers said:
I didn't bring it to our recent trip to wdw because I was it is heavy to carry around and I was worried about it getting lost or broken or wet. I resorted back to my Kodak
Seems a shame. :confused3
 















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