Helene Aftermath…Are You Ok?

Unfortunately, the animal stories always break my heart. These folks who have lost their homes and are forced into hotels or other accommodations are being told by those accommodations that they cannot bring their pets with them. I guess I get that but this is so hard.

Our local rescues are trying very hard to help and lining up fosters/adopters here in Virgina. There was a particularly heartbreaking story today of one family having to give up their two labs for adoption because they are going to be without a home for AT LEAST 8 months and they feel it's cruel to kennel the dogs for the amount of time. The owners are trying to do right by the dogs and not caging them for a year to keep them, but it upsets me so much.
 
I guess the website name, Hot Air, says it well.
I don’t think any website would convince you that our federal government spending is out of control and wasteful. Every single day they waste our money. Half the time they can’t even account for where it all went. If you don’t see that, I am not sure we are living in the same country. And this has nothing to do with who is in office. You yourself can just do a Google search for “unaccounted government spending “. There are so many examples.

People are tired of it and when things like Helene happen it becomes more apparent and obvious because it affects people so personally.

Apparently, if someone does a gofundme for a displaced person and they receive funds for that, it can them make them ineligible for help from FEMA. That is assinine and makes zero sense. One has nothing to do with other, yet our own fellow Americans are penalized by this. How is that ok?

Maybe if we have enough to keep sending overseas and wasting in other ways, then yeah give each displaced person $10,000. I personally would much rather see my taxpayers go to my fellow Americans who are in crisis and have lost everything. Even if some of those funds get wasted or given out wrongly, at least I know “some” of it went to people who really deserve it. If we can waste that much money then let’s “waste” it on our own citizens that need help.
 
What does living in NOLA have to do with the facts? I feel the need to "be right", because you are fabricating scenarios.

I am sure you are emotional seeing the latest disaster because of what you have been through. But you are posting false information with these emotions.
What false information and fabricated scenarios have I posted? Do tell me where I was wrong, as I will certainly edit my posts in that case.

I'm staying at the Hampton in for 139.00 plus tax. That's pretty much a normal hotel cost. How long do you think it will take to get the rest of the aid weeks, months. How fast are FEMA claims processed?
As I said, after Katrina, our emergency money paid for one night's hotel plus our expenses to get back to the area. In our case there was some extra since we had been in FL for a couple of months with seasonal jobs that we could convert to permanent and an RV we could stay in while we got resettled, so we donated the remaining cash. FEMA paid for our hotel starting the very second night. Did the hotel get paid right away? Don't know, don't really care. FEMA contracted with hundreds of hotels for the bills to go directly to them, so our account with the hotel was completely clear and the stay was "free" for us after that first night. If I remember correctly, we actually could have applied for reimbursement for that first night, but it seemed like more trouble than it was worth FOR US.
Unless you are confusing me with someone else, I never said Kamala Harris was in the way. I actually said the opposite. This is what leaders do. It's their job.
I never said that you said Harris was in the way. I said that you didn't seem to believe that Bush was in the way, despite the fact that he was. And that my statement was nonpolitical, because if anyone living in the current disaster zone felt that Harris was in the way, I would believe them as well.
Enough to cover them until their claims are processed. How long does that take? You seem to be the expert.

How long do you think a family of four can live off 750 dollars? f you think 150 is high for a hotel room you don't travel much. I think they deserve better than a roadside dump that lets you book by the hour.
I think a family of four can live off 750 dollars for the one, maybe two nights that it takes to get them logged into the system so that their hotel room goes onto a government contract and they're not paying out pocket. Meanwhile, once they're out of the immediate disaster zone their food is being provided by a combination of National Guard MRE distribution stations, Red Cross hot meals (served out of the back of ambulances if there isn't a good place to set up wide-scale distribution), and volunteer groups. After Ida in 2021, we ate well for weeks, for free. All sorts of restaurants couldn't reopen until the power came back, but were able to pool generator resources to cook up what they had and keep it fresh. They served it out of food trucks all over town, creative chef-designed menus, three meals a day. The National Guard was also there for weeks, working 12-14 hour shifts distributing MREs, bottled water, and ice. There's always a secondary round of cash that goes out to those who are still in need a few weeks later, but by that point the majority of people are generally either back home rebuilding their lives or resettled in a new longer-term temporary living situation--maybe with friends or family, maybe with relocation assistance from work, or maybe in a FEMA trailer. Banks open their coffers to those with even slightly reasonable credit scores, providing low-interest long-term disaster loans. And regular day to day bills like cell phones are nearly uniformly able to be put on payment arrangements during the immediate aftermath. I have no idea why you're continuing to act like families have to figure out how to make 750 last for months, weeks, or even days. Maybe this link will clear it up for you:
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...ter, medications and other emergency supplies.
The thing about weather disasters is that they take out all the infrastructure that underpins all this instant gratification. The aftermath of a big storm is a time machine, and suddenly you're living in 1915, if not 1815.
This. So much this. They could send the entire military, every single soldier we have, and it's still going to take as long as it takes to physically reach the area, to physically get people out of the area, and to physically rebuild the roads and bridges. Nobody has a magic wand.
 

Reading n' clicking fav sites is one option.
Maybe it's time to get FEMA CERT trained. That way you will be qualified to help and lead during emergencies in your area.
What does this even mean? So if I'm not certified I'm not allowed an opinion? I'm listening to a lot of different voices on what can and should be done.

If you are so happy with the response I hope that if you are ever in this situation you aren't impacted by our goverment.
 
What false information and fabricated scenarios have I posted? Do tell me where I was wrong, as I will certainly edit my posts in that case.


As I said, after Katrina, our emergency money paid for one night's hotel plus our expenses to get back to the area. In our case there was some extra since we had been in FL for a couple of months with seasonal jobs that we could convert to permanent and an RV we could stay in while we got resettled, so we donated the remaining cash. FEMA paid for our hotel starting the very second night. Did the hotel get paid right away? Don't know, don't really care. FEMA contracted with hundreds of hotels for the bills to go directly to them, so our account with the hotel was completely clear and the stay was "free" for us after that first night. If I remember correctly, we actually could have applied for reimbursement for that first night, butseemed like more trouble than it was worth FOa house, your cars and a family member did you.

What false information and fabricated scenarios have I posted? Do tell me where I was wrong, as I will certainly edit my posts in that case.


As I said, after Katrina, our emergency money paid for one night's hotel plus our expenses to get back to the area. In our case there was some extra since we had been in FL for a couple of months with seasonal jobs that we could convert to permanent and an RV we could stay in while we got resettled, so we donated the remaining cash. FEMA paid for our hotel starting the very second night. Did the hotel get paid right away? Don't know, don't really care. FEMA contracted with hundreds of hotels for the bills to go directly to them, so our account with the hotel was completely clear and the stay was "free" for us after that first night. If I remember correctly, we actually could have applied for reimbursement for that first night, but it seemed like more trouble than it was worth FOR US.
Did you lose everything you own? It sounds like you didn't own a home. I can't tell from your post.
 
Reading n' clicking fav sites is one option.
Maybe it's time to get FEMA CERT trained. That way you will be qualified to help and lead during emergencies in your area.
Aren't the people getting a paycheck from FEMA supposed to do this?
 
I don’t think any website would convince you that our federal government spending is out of control and wasteful. Every single day they waste our money. Half the time they can’t even account for where it all went. If you don’t see that,
Heather, not sure your age. I am 80, born in 1944. I can recall my mom and dad (more my dad I think) complaining about how bad Truman (later years) was, and then when he left office, how bad Eisenhower was, along with the 'whole damn government' and the waste. 'Why can't they run a good house like us?' They had no website back then, just the radio, TV (not in Truman years) and newspapers along with word of mouth conversations, like we do here.

To quote you, 'federal spending is out of control and wasteful', probably would be a correct statement going back to George W's time. And probably true also as the states' levels along with local governments
 
Did you lose everything you own? It sounds like you didn't own a home. I can't tell from your post.
I didn't own a home. I owned a lot of irreplaceable personal property, some of which had been in my family for generations and some of which had belonged to my mom, who passed away a few months before the storm. And 90% of it was unsalvageable after spending days in several feet of water.
 
I didn't own a home. I owned a lot of irreplaceable personal property, some of which had been in my family for generations and some of which had belonged to my mom, who passed away a few months before the storm. And 90% of it was unsalvageable after spending days in several feet of water.
More need to hear from people like you who have actually lived through the process.
 
I find it interesting that so many people who have no role in recovery, aid or any aspect of help in this disaster have so many strong opinions. These people also I assume, for the most part are not affected directly by the disaster. I compare it to people who are so quick to criticize education yet have spent very little time in a school once their own compulsory education ended. One time I had a poster attacking teachers of which I am one. There were people on here who defended this person and his misguided beliefs. It’s awfully easy to criticize when it’s not you who is in the trenches
 
Heather, not sure your age. I am 80, born in 1944. I can recall my mom and dad (more my dad I think) complaining about how bad Truman (later years) was, and then when he left office, how bad Eisenhower was, along with the 'whole damn government' and the waste. 'Why can't they run a good house like us?' They had no website back then, just the radio, TV (not in Truman years) and newspapers along with word of mouth conversations, like we do here.

To quote you, 'federal spending is out of control and wasteful', probably would be a correct statement going back to George W's time. And probably true also as the states' levels along with local governments
Our debt to GDP ratio is 129%. Can they keep the Ponzi scheme going forever? We have spent trillions on proxy wars, shed a lot of blood and we haven't won a war since WW2.
I'm not the one saying they're doing it wrong, but not saying what needs to be done to do it "right".

Again, how much is "Enough"? Come on, give us a number. A disaster happens, you want the government there on Day 1 handing out Gift Cards with how much on them?

$150 for a hotel room AND $50 for a meal (for one person) IS "slightly high" which is what I said. That doesn't mean "unusual", but it CAN be done for less.

ETA: I'm not saying the government response is/was "good". But it could be "good enough", and probably was for some.
How much did they send to Ukraine? How much for the migrants? Americans deserve better.
 
Our debt to GDP ratio is 129%. Can they keep the Ponzi scheme going forever? We have spent trillions on proxy wars, shed a lot of blood and we haven't won a war since WW2.

How much did they send to Ukraine? How much for the migrants? Americans deserve better.
Another non answer. It's an easy question, and there's really no wrong answer. It's your opinion.

DCLMP: They're not giving enough.
Me: How much should they give?
DCLMP: Ducks and dodges the question.
 
More need to hear from people like you who have actually lived through the process.
Thank you. There's so much more I could talk about: The next-door neighbor in my duplex who was never heard from again. The friends who went through hell in the Superdome. The weeks of several of us constantly updating a Facebook list of the Missing, the Found, and the Deceased, and how many of the Missing never got updated to another category. The city of Gretna, across one of the bridges, that turned away NOLA residents at gunpoint when they tried to walk into town for help.

But I choose to focus on the good: The neighbors helping neighbors, the Cajun Navy jumping to work immediately, the vampire tour guide who had led an entirely nocturnal lifestyle for decades who grabbed an available boat and spent dawn to dusk for days plucking people off their rooftops. And yes, the help that FEMA provided.

People don't realize that in a disaster zone there is literally NOTHING. The birds all flew away. The newspaper stands had the same papers in them for weeks with the front page filled with a satellite image of the storm from the day before. The citywide speed limit was 15 for weeks, and it was rare that you could get UP to 15 because of all the debris in the road. The clock on the cathedral in Jackson Square was stopped at the exact moment that the storm knocked out power. All the restaurants and stores and gas stations were closed. The ATMs didn't work. There was just....nothing.
 
Thank you. There's so much more I could talk about: The next-door neighbor in my duplex who was never heard from again. The friends who went through hell in the Superdome. The weeks of several of us constantly updating a Facebook list of the Missing, the Found, and the Deceased, and how many of the Missing never got updated to another category. The city of Gretna, across one of the bridges, that turned away NOLA residents at gunpoint when they tried to walk into town for help.

But I choose to focus on the good: The neighbors helping neighbors, the Cajun Navy jumping to work immediately, the vampire tour guide who had led an entirely nocturnal lifestyle for decades who grabbed an available boat and spent dawn to dusk for days plucking people off their rooftops. And yes, the help that FEMA provided.

People don't realize that in a disaster zone there is literally NOTHING. The birds all flew away. The newspaper stands had the same papers in them for weeks with the front page filled with a satellite image of the storm from the day before. The citywide speed limit was 15 for weeks, and it was rare that you could get UP to 15 because of all the debris in the road. The clock on the cathedral in Jackson Square was stopped at the exact moment that the storm knocked out power. All the restaurants and stores and gas stations were closed. The ATMs didn't work. There was just....nothing.
All I've heard in the MSM for years is how bad the emergency response was in Katrina. So your saying that's not true?
 
All I've heard in the MSM for years is how bad the emergency response was in Katrina. So your saying that's not true?
The emergency response was awful. FEMA did a great job with what they actually do, which is coordinating resources and allocating the money that Congress and the President authorize. I feel like you think "the government" is a single monolith that is responsible for all aspects of emergency response, from battening down the hatches to staging vehicles and personnel to rescuing people from rooftops to giving cash to operating shelters to rebuilding infrastructure. That's simply not the case. In any disaster, you have:

City and county (governed by local officials such as the mayor and city council):
  • First responders such as police, fire rescue, ambulances, etc
  • Vital services such as power, water, communications, sewer systems, emergency shelters
  • Evacuation plans, as well as locale-specific plans like contraflow (opening all lanes of major highways to traffic leaving the disaster zone) and neutral ground parking (allowing people to park their cars on medians, which in New Orleans are often higher than the roadways)
  • Local alerts, such as tornado sirens or flash flood advisories
  • Assessment teams to survey the site after the event ends and determine where rescue and recovery efforts are needed
  • Volunteer organizations. The larger ones like the Red Cross and the Cajun Navy are well-known to local officials, as are some of the smaller ones that have operated in town previously. They don't officially work for the city or county, of course, but they coordinate closely with the mayor's office to determine where to stage their resources.
The city and county must ask for assistance from the state before they can receive it (this is typically done in the form of a pre-emptive disaster declaration once it becomes clear that the area will likely be affected by an upcoming event). At the state level, you have things like:
  • State troopers
  • National Guard
  • Additional equipment and personnel
  • Coordinating movement into, out of, and around the disaster zone
  • Suspending or passing laws or ordinances to ensure safety or basic needs during the active recovery period
  • Providing technical expertise and public health experts (to monitor water supplies, etc.)
  • Supplementing local funding
  • Acting in a management role when more than one city/town is simultaneously affected, to ensure that resources are fairly distributed and sent to where they are needed most
  • Requesting mutual aid from other states
If needed, the state can request federal assistance (again, typically in the form of a pre-emptive disaster declaration). At the federal level, FEMA is comprehensively responsible for providing assistance, but it's not that simple. There are 15 different Emergency Support Functions that operate largely independently, but are coordinated by FEMA as a whole:

ESF #1: Transportation

ESF #2: Communications

ESF #3: Public Works and Engineering

ESF #4: Firefighting

ESF #5: Information and Planning

ESF #6: Mass Care, Emergency Assistance, Temporary Housing, and Human Services

ESF #7: Logistics

ESF #8: Public Health and Medical Services

ESF #9: Search and Rescue

ESF #10: Oil and Hazardous Materials Response

ESF #11: Agriculture and Natural Resources Annex

ESF #12: Energy

ESF #13: Public Safety and Security

ESF #14: Cross-Sector Business and Infrastructure

ESF #15: External Affairs

There are also 28 disaster response task forces that are primarily in charge of urban search and rescue operations.

Politics
Now, let's not forget that FEMA is a government agency that gets its funding from Congress. So it can only deploy as many resources as Congress is willing to pay for. FEMA itself is apolitical, but it has long been used as a political football, so its available resources are expanded or limited according to which party is in charge.

This is an oversimplification of how disaster logistics work in order to illustrate a point and avoid writing a novel. You can read more for yourself at: https://training.fema.gov/emiweb/downloads/is7unit_2.pdf and https://www.fema.gov/emergency-managers/national-preparedness/frameworks/response

But just from what I've shared here, I hope you're beginning to see how both things can be true. The Katrina response AS A WHOLE was awful. But the part that involved apolitical people at FEMA doing their very best to put cash in people's pockets, get them into safe short-term and, if needed, long-term shelter, and get the ball rolling for the long-term assistance they would need was largely good. And the neighbors helping neighbors bit? Was excellent, the city of Gretna notwithstanding.
 



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