Heartbreaking news...a big reminder to be aware of wildlife on property

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Hmmm. Outside of adding signs, what do you propose Disney should do? Pay thru the nose? Close the beaches because of a freak accident? Do construction to reconfigure the beaches so people don't use them?



Just curious.

Educate and inform people. Signs (alligator warnings) at the beaches. Fliers in the rooms would be nice. I have a viewpoint now about pathways and waterlines in Florida and in Disney that I didn't have before.

I've read websites on alligator attacks that say that (human) behavior is the biggest defense against alligator attacks, but you can't behave defensively when you don't really know what's out there.
 
I'm sure the execs at Disney were horrified at what happened, and that the workers involved are all devastated. However, corporate made a decision not to include alligator warnings on all areas, and this had an impact on this family. Everyone is saying Disney is still real life, but that's not the picture corporate wanted to show. That family felt too safe.
I agree. While many of us know gators can and are around, many do not. The signage says "no swimming". To many if not most, that doesn't mean "don't touch the water". ESPECIALLY when Disney makes those beaches so inviting for relaxing and playing on. Gators can and do take a step or 2 onto land to grab prey. I've always wondered about the danger of hanging out on those beaches. It seems to me that the seriousness of the situation shouldn't be "Disney-fied", aka: smoothed over. You don't need to petrify people, but all people should be made aware that while Disney does have people that routinely take gators out of their waters, they cannot assure prevention so one must be careful around not only the water, but the waters edges as well. Gator signs would do that. Notices to guests as they check in, would help too.
 
Interesting since I work with cows everyday, but I just read that this is the third alligator attack that ended in the death of a person in Florida in the last nine months.
One of which was a stupid criminal who hid in the swamp at dark to avoid a cop and got bit.
 
Also from Canada and since I pay no attention to sports why would I know there is a team called the "Florida gators" and that means that there are gators in Florida. A province to the west of me has a sports team called the BC lions and as you may have guessed it savvanah animals roam everywhere in Canada. We also have a sports team named "the raptors", you will be surprised to run into a dino in downtown Toronto. Good grief. Not everybody knows about gators it isn't something to debate, and not something your sports team supports.

I was going to say that Florida also has a team called the Seminoles and I don't think that people fear that Indians are going to run after them with bows and arrows.

Bottom line...a loving family took a special vacation and attended a beach related activity sponsored by the park/resort. A rare, freak accident occurred resulting in a little child that lost their life. What an absolute tragedy for the family and for everyone involved!

There was a sign posted that said "no swimming". As the police stated, the child was not swimming. He was doing what 2 year olds do. He was standing at the water's edge. Was he splashing...maybe. Was he wading....technically??? Thousands of two year olds from all over the world have done the same thing as him, in very similar spots all over the banks of the Seven Seas Lagoon. My children stood in the shallow water's edge at the Poly a year earlier. Did I tell them to get out...yes...bc I thought that the water was gross. I can't recall if I saw a sign that said "no swimming". I am an educated person that lives in South Carolina - a coastal, Southern state with alligators. However, I would assume that there was no swimming in this man made lake bc #1: there are no lifeguards on duty #2: it is dangerous bc this body of water has boats traveling to and fro as Disney transportation and #3 that the water is unclean due to gas, oil, etc. that may leak from these vehicles and possibly with bacteria since it is warm standing water. I doubt many people even know about "River Country" or incidents from 20+ years ago. Not once did I think about alligators. For the record - "no swimming" is different than "no diving" which is different than "stay out of the water".

People from all over the globe know what a picture of an alligator means, even if they cannot read English. I have been to many neighborhoods, resorts and golf courses that have signs that say "Beware of Alligators", "Do not feed the alligators", "Watch out for Alligators". These places have these signs to warn guests and selfishly, to protect themselves. I do not think it is fair to assume that anyone would know that there was a danger of alligators at the water's edge of the Grand Floridian during a resort sponsored evening activity, especially since no warnings were posted. There were no signs on the property giving warning to alligators.

From a legal standpoint, it has been mentioned by law enforcement that the child was not swimming. I wish everyone would stop debating this topic.

As mentioned in previous posts, there are no lifeguards on the beaches of the resorts around the Seven Seas Lagoon. The lifeguard came from the pool area. The child was not 10 yards from the shore playing the water when the incident happened. His dead body was discovered there.

As a parent of two little children, this has struck me in a big way. I cannot imagine the grief that the family is facing and will face for the rest of their lives.

Will there be a lawsuit? Maybe. For now, I say that instead of judging or "playing attorney" with limited legal knowledge, can't we just respect the fact that an innocent little boy died on a special family vacation to Walt Disney World. This family has to fly home with the dead body of their child. These are intelligent, loving parents. If they thought their child was in danger, my guess is that they would not have internationally put him in harms way.
 
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Educate and inform people. Signs (alligator warnings) at the beaches. Fliers in the rooms would be nice. I have a viewpoint now about pathways and waterlines in Florida and in Disney that I didn't have before.

I've read websites on alligator attacks that say that (human) behavior is the biggest defense against alligator attacks, but you can't behave properly when you don't really know what's out there.

I'm sure they will put up signs. But it isn't their job to educate people how to defend themselves from an alligator attack. Now that this happened, most everyone will be aware of the (remote) possibility of an attack. Now you can educate yourself.
 
Hmmm. Outside of adding signs, what do you propose Disney should do? Pay thru the nose? Close the beaches because of a freak accident? Do construction to reconfigure the beaches so people don't use them?



Just curious.
How about simple signs about alligators and brain eating water- I guarantee a lot fewer will wade and splash!
 
How about simple signs about alligators and brain eating water- I guarantee a lot fewer will wade and splash!

Absolutely agree. Signs should be placed.

I just read things about how there activities and lounge chairs on the beach giving people a false sense of security...I just hope that all isn't taken away.

And to address something else, we can have these types of discussions/debates and it doesn't mean people are taking away from the grief and tragedy of the family and to suggest otherwise is just silly. I highly doubt any of us are discussing this with anyone personally involved.
 
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I am so sickened by this tragedy...and all the tragic events that took place in Irlando this past week. God bless all those affected.

As for people pointing out blame, I don't want to defend bad behavior, but I'm willing to cut them some slack. I think that when people hear about the death of a child, we often feel anger and want to lash out. What I mean is that perhaps it's not in badness, or mean-spirited. Maybe it's just their way of coping with such horrific news,even if it's about a stranger.
 
I'm sure they will put up signs. But it isn't their job to educate people how to defend themselves from an alligator attack. Now that this happened, most everyone will be aware of the (remote) possibility of an attack. Now you can educate yourself.
No, it's not their job, but it's the right thing to do.

And defending themselves includes staying away from water lines and tall vegetation at dusk and when it's dark out. People visit Disney from all over the world; they don't know things that the average Floridian thinks about every day.
 
I was going to say that Florida also has a team called the Seminoles and I don't think that people fear that Indians are going to run after them with a bow and arrows.

Bottom line...a loving family took a special vacation and attended a beach related activity sponsored by the park/resort. A rare, freak accident occurred resulting in a little child that lost their life. What an absolute tragedy for the family and for everyone involved!

There was a sign posted that said "no swimming". As the police stated, the child was not swimming. He was doing what 2 year olds do. He was standing at the water's edge. Was he splashing...maybe. Was he wading....technically??? Thousands of two year olds from all of the world have done the same thing as him, in very similar spots all over the banks of the Seven Seas Lagoon. My children stood in the shallow water's edge at the Poly a year earlier. Did I tell them to get out...yes...bc I thought that the water was gross. I can't recall if I saw a sign that said "no swimming". I am an educated person that lives in South Carolina - a coastal, Southern state with alligators. However, I would assume that there was no swimming in this man made lake bc #1: there are no lifeguards on duty #2: it is dangerous bc this body of water has boats traveling to and fro as Disney transportation and #3 that the water is unclean due to gas, oil, etc. that may leak from these vehicles and possibly with bacteria since it is warm standing water. I doubt many people even know about "River Country" or incidents from 20+ years ago. Not once did I think about alligators. For the record - "no swimming" is different than "no diving" which is different than "stay out of the water".

People from all over the globe know what a picture of an alligator means, even if they cannot read English. I have been to many neighborhoods, resorts and golf courses that have signs that say "Beware of Alligators", "Do not feed the alligators", "Watch out for Alligators". These places have these signs to warns guests and selfishly, to protect themselves. I do not think it is fair to assume that anyone would assume that there was a danger of alligators at the water's edge of the Grand Floridian during a resort sponsored evening activity, especially since no warnings were posted. There were no signs on the property giving warning to alligators.

From a legal standpoint, it was been mentioned by law enforcement that the child was not swimming. I wish everyone would stop debating this topic.

As mentioned in previous posts, there are no lifeguards on the beaches of the resorts around the Seven Seas Lagoon. The lifeguard came from the pool area. The child was not 10 yards from the shore playing the water when the incident happened. His dead body was discovered there.

As a parent of two little children, this has struck me in a big way. I cannot imagine the grief that the family is facing and will face for the rest of their lives.

Will there be a lawsuit? Maybe. For now, I say that instead of judging or "playing attorney" with limited legal knowledge, can't we just respect the fact that an innocent little boy died on a special family vacation to Walt Disney World. This family has to fly home with the dead body of the child. These are intelligent, loving parents. If they thought their child was in danger, my guess is that they would not have internationally put him in harms way.


Excellent post. Thank you for writing it. I'm sorry that it's struck you so hard. I'm not a parent, so I can't imagine the worry you must deal with on a regular basis, not even including situations like this. *hugs
 
FWIW, I live in Western New York State and in the past few days 3 children have drowned. Two drowned when their family went into a marked restricted area of one of the state parks and the entire family went over a waterfall. Two boys age 6 and 9 drowned. Another boy age 16 drowned when he was riding his bike along the towpath of Erie Canal in the evening and somehow he and his bike ended up in the canal. He didn't know how to swim. There are no warning signs along the towpath of the Erie Canal. Should we blame the parents in the first instance when they took their family into a restricted area? Should we blame the boy's parents in the 2nd instance for not teaching him how to swim? Makes you think.
 
Also from Canada and since I pay no attention to sports why would I know there is a team called the "Florida gators" and that means that there are gators in Florida. A province to the west of me has a sports team called the BC lions and as you may have guessed it savvanah animals roam everywhere in Canada. We also have a sports team named "the raptors", you will be surprised to run into a dino in downtown Toronto. Smh. Good grief. Not everybody knows about gators it isn't something to debate, and not something your sports team supports.

I didn't know there was Lions or raptors up there
 
*sigh*

To be honest, I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner. Disneyworld is in Florida, Florida has gators everywhere there is water. I've even seen small gators myself on the Disney property!

My condolences to the family.
 
I wonder why the signs were worded the way they were? A lot of thought had to go into it, I'd imagine. Sometimes I thing vagueness is the goal, so that if something bad does happen, there can be many interpretations. As evidenced here today on this thread.
 
This was a very rare and freak accident. The idea of room fliers, etc is just plain silly. This reminds me of the boy who was hit by a bus near FW. Disney rents bikes and has bike trails. Unfortunately this boy rode his bike in the road and was killed. Terrible, but Disney didn't overreact and eliminate bikes. We have spent many a wonderful evening watching the fireworks on the Poly beach. My children have never stepped foot in the water. The signs are there for a reason. The parents took the risk.

We all our responsible for our actions. We spent the weekend hiking in Oregon where there are rattlesnakes on the trails. We know the risk and try to take precautions, but there are freak snake bite accidents.

I would hate for Disney to have to react by destroying the scenic areas they have created. I'm sure there are bears in the woods. Should we cut down all the trees?
 
I know this is a terrible question, not sure if it's been asked yet, but if his body has been found intact, how can wildlife authorities figure out which gator did it? They are saying they have pulled 5 gators out but do not believe that any of them are the gator. How can they tell if not going by content of stomach now?
 
I would teach them to swim or drown proof. Where I'm from drownings are common even when adults are right there. Happens in a blink of an I and the common statement from parents is that they only looked away for a couple seconds. They had no idea it could happen until it does. For me it hit too close to home. Teach first!

You keep using this phrase "drown proof," and I have to ask...what the heck does that mean? Are you referring the method of survival sometimes used by our armed forces? Because I don't think it's appropriate, nor practical, nor possible to "drown proof" a 2 year old. Or a child of any age. Or most adults.
 
While an infant can't be taught to fend off alligators, they can be taught how not to drown. My boy is in an ISR program since he was born and knows how to swim/float/swim to safety. We also designate a swim "watcher", one person tracks kid, then we trade off.

But alligators - an adult can't even do that. Nevertheless, there should have been one adult with direct eyes on kid who were of "running off" age, and the other adult could have relaxed. It's so easy to armchair quarterback this, I know, and I really do feel for the family. But I would never ever go near brackish water, at night, anytime in florida.

This could also have been a fed alligator problem too. Maybe this gator was being fed by tourists, so it made the food/hand connection (btw, illegal to feed gators here).

I really hope Disney doesn't get sued as it wasn't really their fault. Might as well sue nature. Poor little man.
 
Whether you know or don't know that alligators are in the water at Disney. If you're visiting somewhere, no matter where it is, I would strongly suggest just doing a quick google before venturing into woods or water or wherever. I wouldn't go to Canada and jump into a lake before knowing what could be in..or roaming around Africa without taking into consideration what wildlife might be there. On the other side, born and raised in Florida, I know that alligators and other animals can be in basically any body of water or on land. Canals, swimming pools, fields near water, lakes, golf courses, near roads, etc.. I've also been in water where there has been alligators and snakes. You should just keep aware of your surroundings at all times.

The family is not to blame, nor is Disney to blame. However, this event was preventable and shouldn't of happened. It's a freak accident that was very rare
 
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