Heartbreaking news...a big reminder to be aware of wildlife on property

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So let me guess, the onus is now on travelers to determine what year that promotional picture was taken? And to update themselves on the history of swimming at Disney resorts?

Wow, Disney vacation sure sounds like an awful lot of research….even before you get to ADRs and Fastpasses.
Disney isn't using that photo for promotion. It seems that IF they ever did use it at some point, it hasn't been for a LONG time.
If I'm looking at decades-old promotional materials for ANY tourist destination, I'd better be prepared for some surprises. Eep.
 
Mother posted a pic of the little boy a couple of hours before it happened.



If there had been proper alligator signage would parents have let their child paddle??

I think Disney will pay for this. In more ways than one. They wont be able to let this slide.

That child is in maybe 3 inches of water. They said the other child was in 12-24. More out than that and at the height of a 2 year old, I wouldn't considering that wading
 
Funny how people think putting up a sign, having pamphlets or having a CM advise guests of alligators would have prevented this accident. I'm not saying it would or wold not, I just think a tragedy like this was going to happen sooner or later (this time is was an alligator, but it could have been a lightning strike, a snake bite or any other reason). Like I said in my other post, I agree having a sign may have helped in this case, but we all know people avoid reading or paying attention for that matter.

Let me give you another example: How many of you had to fly to come to Orlando/Disney? I'd say it's in the millions each and every month. How many of you listened to the air stewardess when he/she was giving vital information on safety, exit locations and what to do in case of emergency on water? Like most, you probably got on the plane, put on your headphones to listen to music, watch a movie or try to fall asleep before the plane actually moved. Most of your probably didn't pay attention because it's not your first time flying so you think it's safe without any risk because nothing ever happened before right??

I think this would be no different on Disney property if they try to notify guests of such risks. For most of the guests, it's not their first time so they do not listen or follow the rules for anything. Just take a look at selfie sticks. First they put a sign preventing people taking them to the parks but people still did it and now they need to take them away from guests trying to enter them. Some people still try to sneak them in. Why is that? We all know of the dangers and what it could lead to but people still do it.

Trust me, I'm not defending Disney here. The last thing I would want, and I'm sure Disney as well, is to have another tragedy like this to happen again. Disney could never 100% of the risk. Even a year or 2 ago, a small child drowned in on of their pools (AoA I think). They have sufficient signage, lifeguards and even a fence surrounding the pool, yet it still happened. Having these safeguards may have reduced the risk but it did not prevent it. Will another tragedy like this happen again, I would have a tendency to say; yes it will, it's just a matter of time.

Will things change at Disney because of this tragedy? Of course it will. all tragedies do. However; no matter what changes will be made, one family will think it was too little too late.


I 100% agree with you - there will always be someone not following the rules/signs. You can't prevent all tragedies/freak accidents.

I just don't think that's good enough reasons to do nothing when a tragedy happens. We can always learn and hopefully do something to help keep these events RARE.
 

Before we moved to the Gulf Coast I never gave gators a second thought. The worst thing you would encounter in the murky waters of TN was snakes but you were raised to know that they were there. Now that we live where we do, we know, any body of water can or will have a gator (and a snake). It just happens. They are everywhere. Just like the Gulf with the sharks, it can happen.
I do wonder if this gator was being fed or had been being fed by visitors.? Because I know now that that is a big no no. You want them to be afraid of people. Maybe that is why is was not afraid to come up near a spot that people hang out.
Either way it is just a tragic incident. No one is to blame. Disney, parents, no one. The family just needs to be lifted up in prayer and love and positive thoughts. My heart just breaks for them.
 
Snark aside :confused3 ... I've spent a fair amount of time thinking about this, since it's common knowledge where I'm from that you don't enter stagnant water, for a variety of reasons. Add to that the (apparently not as common as I'd previously thought) knowledge that there may be alligators in ANY body of water in Florida... and I do think it's fair to say that many people wouldn't consider touching that water.

I have little knowledge of Nebraska... I've driven through it once... but I don't believe they have many lakes or other bodies of water...? Is it possible that this family simply didn't have any knowledge/experience with either of these ideas?


But that's just it... It's common knowledge for you. My post that you commented on is stating it is obviously not common to every tourist that visits Florida and it is naive to think they would.
 
I'm not positive so feel free to correct me, but bees would only pose a huge threat to your life if u were severely allergic... At which point you would already be well aware and not need a sign. Mosquitos... Unless they are carrying some deadly virus I think they are safe, at which point I'd assume the state would be issuing warnings through media.

Gators are a part of Florida. It is what it is. No one is arguing that. They cannot issue daily warnings via media to alert all tourists. Orlando is a HUGE tourist destination. Mainly due to Disney. I do think it would be responsible for both Disney and the state of Florida to put some signs up where there might be risks. They could just say beware of wildlife and include pics of alligators/snakes as not everyone will read English.

People can die from Mosquito borne illnesses and now with Zika virus there may very well be additional concerns. I don't know how common knowledge things like West Nile are outside of the U.S. so if it can be contracted in Florida everyone should be warned. I've never been stung by a bee so I don't know if I am allergic to them or not, but it's Disney, there can't be bees at Disney.

There are basically risks of alligators all over Florida. They can be in any water, but as has been mentioned, are mostly in fresh water. So how often do signs need to be posted every 50 feet at every point of water over the entire state? Again, where is the line drawn?
 
Snark aside :confused3 ... I've spent a fair amount of time thinking about this, since it's common knowledge where I'm from that you don't enter stagnant water, for a variety of reasons. Add to that the (apparently not as common as I'd previously thought) knowledge that there may be alligators in ANY body of water in Florida... and I do think it's fair to say that many people wouldn't consider touching that water.

I have little knowledge of Nebraska... I've driven through it once... but I don't believe they have many lakes or other bodies of water...? Is it possible that this family simply didn't have any knowledge/experience with either of these ideas?
im from california and we never knew this was an issue at WDW and we have been to WDW many times. it is not the duty of tourists to know about things like this. It is the duty of the host (WDW to let tourists who come from all over the world, know about these dangers and what not to do....a sign saying "no swimming" simply is not detailed enough for us to know what the actual dangers are. As far as I know "no swimming" could mean that there are no life guards so swimming is not allowed due to possible liability.
 
So let me guess, the onus is now on travelers to determine what year that promotional picture was taken? And to update themselves on the history of swimming at Disney resorts?

Wow, Disney vacation sure sounds like an awful lot of research….even before you get to ADRs and Fastpasses.

My reply was to someone saying a lawyer would have a field day with that pic. A 28 year old picture, when swimming was still allowed. It is not allowed now. Hasn't been for a while. It is not a current picture from the Disney website. If you do minimal research, just on the Disney site, you would probably never have seen that picture.
 
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What about this picture? Did Disney convey the danger here?
This has been posted a few times already in this thread. This picture, if it ever WAS used by Disney to promote the resort, is definitely NOT currently being used. In fact, a Google Images search brings up only ONE occurrence of this image online, and that is on the website of a travel agency that sells Disney vacations. Who knows where they got this image, or why they are using it, when it is clearly outdated....?
 
My reply was to someone saying a lawyer would have a field day with that pic. A 28 year old picture, when swimming was still allowed. It is not allowed now. Hasn't been for a while. It is not a current picture from the Disney website. If you do minimal research, just on the Disney site, you would probably never have seen that picture.

Read through this thread. There are plenty of pictures that still are on the Disney website that advertise people near or in the water
 
Disney isn't using that photo for promotion. It seems that IF they ever did use it at some point, it hasn't been for a LONG time.
If I'm looking at decades-old promotional materials for ANY tourist destination, I'd better be prepared for some surprises. Eep.

I heard River Country is closed...
 
People can die from Mosquito borne illnesses and now with Zika virus there may very well be additional concerns. I don't know how common knowledge things like West Nile are outside of the U.S. so if it can be contracted in Florida everyone should be warned. I've never been stung by a bee so I don't know if I am allergic to them or not, but it's Disney, there can't be bees at Disney.

There are basically risks of alligators all over Florida. They can be in any water, but as has been mentioned, are mostly in fresh water. So how often do signs need to be posted every 50 feet at every point of water over the entire state? Again, where is the line drawn?


Actually west Nile and zika virus do get mentioned in the media ... There has been an abundance about zika since its outbreak. And I've heard about west Nile lots. I have yet to hear anything about gators. I knew they were in Florida but I was not aware how common it would be to come into contact with them ... I've been to Florida ten times the past 7 years and I have yet to see one outside of Busch gardens. So I was not aware I had to assume there could be one in any water even though I know they exist in Florida. And as a side note I did not know Florida had poisonous snakes. Maybe I'm dumb. But since there are a lot of ppl here saying the same thing I guess a lot of us are dumb. Or, maybe a few signs here and there could go a long way in educating ppl. Again, what is so horrible about that?!
 
The guard patrols the waters and observes for alligators not to yell at people. and warns of danger. No where did I say a guard to watch for sign breakers.. In case you are wondering you pay for quite a bit of ridiculous things at Disney. An increased wildlife guard at peak hours makes sense for the people and for gators.
Oh I am well aware of how my money is spent and at times wasted too by them. No need for more guards at night. They have a team in place already, but being this is wildlife, it is hard to see everything all the time. Critters are always on the move. Disney does remove once they see they have reached over 4 ft. As guests, we just do not see all of this happening
 
It is the duty of the host (WDW to let tourists who come from all over the world, know about these dangers and what not to do....a sign saying "no swimming" simply is not detailed enough for us to know what the actual dangers are. As far as I know "no swimming" could mean that there are no life guards so swimming is not allowed due to possible liability.

This is obviously your interpretation of the situation. Lots of information has been posted online in the last 36 hours about liability laws in Florida. It absolutely is NOT an open-and-shut case of Disney having a duty to inform guests about alligators. I presume you are implying that every single tourist destination everywhere in Florida must follow the same protocols, then, since alligators can literally be just about anywhere in the state.
 
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