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I just went through the process of educating myself on HDTV in the process of buying one. The one thing I walked away with is that jsut about everyone I know (even techies) don't understand some of the HDTV basics.

In fact, there was a recent article that found that almost 25% of people who have an HDTV have no way of viewing HDTV programming. They THINK they are watching High Def programming simply because the picture is better in general than older TV sets. But they don't realize you need a cable box or satelittle receiver that can specifically handle HD programming.

There are also differences between the various types of TVs. DLP, LCoS, Plasma, etc. 720p vs 1080p. How does the DVD player fit in? Whatare the best connections? I learned so much, more than happy to share.

And...by the way...for those of you who haven't made the leap, HD is a WOW experience.
 
We just purchased a new TV (Rear Projection HDTV-Sony SXRD) and are finding out that very thing. We have been Dish Customers forever now and don't want to pay $800 (in our area) to upgrade to the HD Dish Receiver with DVR features. My DH was on the phone with Dish Network yesterday and they told him they are to be coming out with "new packages" where you don't have to pay the UPFRONT Fee and can just pay your $8 (I think it was $8) for the receiver a month. I hope the guy was right. . . I don't want to have to pay $800 to be a dish customer just to have the DVR option that we love.
 
We bought an HDTV last year.

I love the HD programs. We have the HD box from our cable company and there are always so many great things to watch. We especially like a lot of the things that have been in the IMAX theatres that we can now watch at home.

I'm sure there will be more HD channels as time goes by.
 
Yes I think I remember seeing my first HD television at Epcot as a matter of fact. I thought wow!
But right now prices are still high(well for me anyway) and my tv is running great. I think in 2009 now that all broadcast will be switch over to HD and everyone will have to have a converter or an HD tv. In the meantime prices will come down. I remember these things costing like 10,000 at first and now are around 3 - 4,000 dollars for a good quality down. Maybe by 2009 they may be down under 1,000.
 

I think in 2009 now that all broadcast will be switch over to HD and everyone will have to have a converter or an HD tv.

Actually, that's one of the misconceptions. They will be allowed to offer(likely, not law yet) 100% digital programming. Digital, not necessarily HD.
 
I got dh an HDTV for Christmas but couldn't afford (for me if I have to charge it I can't afford it) to chip in the additional $400 (thats after $300 rebate) for the HD reciever/dvr. But we have heard from numerous sources that within a year the new HD sat receivers with DVR with become standard and that prices will drop considerably, those DVR with Directv are also rumored to allow you to share room to room like the new Tivos (something not possible with current directv units). So we're waiting. I know alot of people who are doing that, so I don't think its necessarily that they don't know they don't have HD. For us, we needed a new tv, and it made sense to buy an HDTV that we'll have for years and wait on the HD recievers to become more.. practical, afforadable... (take your pick) rather then buy a regular tv and upgrade that and the receiver next year. Also we have a fairly new home with one of those cutouts in the wall specifically for a tv, and ours is rectangular... so you know we "had" to do HDTV to make it look right. :rolleyes: It is a thing of beauty though how the 50" tv has only 1/4 inch of space all around it. Looks like the cutout was custom built for our tv. :banana: We LOVE our Sony Grand WEGA.
 
Tink&SquirtsMom said:
Also we have a fairly new home with one of those cutouts in the wall specifically for a tv, and ours is rectangular... so you know we "had" to do HDTV to make it look right. :rolleyes: It is a thing of beauty though how the 50" tv has only 1/4 inch of space all around it. Looks like the cutout was custom built for our tv. :banana: We LOVE our Sony Grand WEGA.
How are you ventilating the TV inside the cutout?
 
When I said 1/4 in all around I mispoke, it's 1/4 in all around the front (surrounding the face of the tv)... The cutout is quite a bit deeper then the tv needs (Sony manual requires 6 inches in back for ventilation, and we have at least a foot), and the bottom of the back of the cutout opens to another area (for wiring needs) so its better ventilated then you would think by the looks of the snug fit.
 
That's exactly true - you have to upgrade the signal coming into the TV to HDTV - the picture looks better but unless you do it's not "true" HD.

We just had to replace the dish with an HD dish and also upgrade to an HD DVR and make sure the DVD player is HD quality as well.
 
OK, here's some web sites that you might want to check out, www.satelliteguys.us, www.dbstalk.com and www.avsforum.com, all great sites about HDTV, satellite, cable, home theater.

First of all, if you get a set with a built in ATSC (new digital standard) you might be able to receive your local over the air digital signals by just adding an over the air antenna. To see what stations in your area are digital, where their transmitter is and what type antenna you need go check www.antennaweb.org, plug in your address and it will let you know. While ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, UPN, WB and PBS networks all have some HDTV programming, not all local stations have been upgraded to transmit HDTV signals, just digital.

As for your resolution question, 480i is the old analog signal, 480p is what DVD's use, 720p is used by ABC, FOX, ESPN while 1080i is used by the other networks. Now while there are all these (and even more are allowed in the ATSC standard) your TV will actually use only one of these standards and either up convert or down convert the signal to match what your display can actually process. The ROT is that 720p signals are good for sports or other shows that have a lot of motion in them while 1080i is good for all other. I don't want to get into the relegious debate on which is better 720p or 1080i, the other web sites that I mentioned have many discussions on this subject, IMHO, just get a display that looks good to your eyes and you can afford.

For your connection question, using composite connections (usually the yellow colored video input jack) or S-Video (small round jack) will handle only 480i signals. To get 480p (DVD), 720p or 1080i you need to use either component (three cables that have red/green/blue connections) DVI or HDMI. DVI carries only video in digital and HDMI carries digital video and can also carry the audio signal but some hardware only handles the video on HDMI not the audio. If you're getting a LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc then using DVI or HDMI would be the best way to go since your display is digital, but if you're getting a display that uses CRT tubes then component will be OK since the display processing analog signals anyway. Again, IMHO, use what looks good to you. I do say don't spend a lot of dollars on high end cables like Monster, especially for DVI or HDMI, not needed.

Got you confused yet?

OK, now the really hard part, go with cable, DirecTV (D*) or Dish (E*). Right now, both D* and E* are in a transistion period when it comes to HDTV. They are in the process of migrating from the MPEG2 compression standard to the newer MPEG4 standard which will allow them to broadcast more HDTV programming in their limited bandwidth. Also, in most locations at this time, to get your local over the air HDTV stations you'll still need to get an over the air antenna since both D* and E* are just starting to roll out the local HD channels via satellite. Even then, at this time all they are carrying is ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX. Also, both services will require you make a commitment to keep their programming for 24 months for D* and 18 months for E*. And for a DVR, D* doesn't even have one that will do the new MPEG4 signals yet (later this year) and E* has one that was supposed to start shipping today but reports on the net are that they've discovered a problem with it and they are going to have a very limited release for a few months. Plus both providers will require you spend $200 to $300 to get the DVR). There is also a very heated debate about both DBS providers downgrading the resolution of one ore more of their HD channels to allow them to fit more HD channels into their limited space, which effects the picture quality.

What I would recommend, until both satellite companies shake out their migration is to go with cable if available in your area. Cable companies will probably have a higher monthly cost then D* or E* but you don't have to purchase hardware and there is no commitment, get it and if you don't like it cancel. I'm currently a D* customer (and have been E* also) and recently installed Comcast cable again due to lack of HD channels that I wanted on D*. Yes, I'm paying more then with D* but I get Starz-HD, Cinemax-HD, TNT-HD and our local Comcast Sportsnet HD channel which D* doesn't carry. Our Comcast system has also started to simulcast the analog channels (channels 2 though 99) as digital so all the old problems with poor picture quality on those channels is greatly reduced.

Hope this helps and good luck.
 
and make sure the DVD player is HD quality as well.

Actually, your DVD player is not HD quality. The closest you can get is newer DVD players that will "upconvert" DVDs to 720p or 1080i, but that's not true HD. True HD DVD players are on the way very,very soon but will be pricy of course.

I do say don't spend a lot of dollars on high end cables like Monster, especially for DVI or HDMI, not needed.

HDMI is the best possible connection to use, because it keeps the signal 100% digital all the way through. There is a slight, but noticeable difference when I switched to HDMI. And for the DVD player, HDMI cable is clearly the way to go.

I don't want to get into the relegious debate on which is better 720p or 1080i, the other web sites that I mentioned have many discussions on this subject, IMHO, just get a display that looks good to your eyes and you can afford.

You are right about the programming. But you can't buy a 1080i set. The choices are 720p or 1080p. I went to several local retailers, and there is a difference betwen the two. The 1080p sets are more expensive, so it's your decision if it's worth it.
 
Tink&SquirtsMom said:
When I said 1/4 in all around I mispoke, it's 1/4 in all around the front (surrounding the face of the tv)... The cutout is quite a bit deeper then the tv needs (Sony manual requires 6 inches in back for ventilation, and we have at least a foot), and the bottom of the back of the cutout opens to another area (for wiring needs) so its better ventilated then you would think by the looks of the snug fit.
You may want to consider installing a fan back there. You could be fine without it, but if you start experiencing premature bulb burnout, you may be running too hot. Nice television, btw.
 
Do you know how much those cost, and/or how loud they are. Dh and my dad (mechanical engineer, knows about these things) had a discussion about if it was necessary and I think they came to the agreement that we had a decent setup based on product requirements and we could wait and see if more was needed. They did protect from power surges and get the right connection thingies, etc. I'm hoping to get at least two years out of the bulb (I'll find out how realistic that is... its on alot), if we get less I guess we can check into the fan as an option when starting with the new bulb?? I must admit I am not the most savvy on these type of things (if my use of thingies as a technical term didn't give that away)... so I have to defer to my dh's judgement.
 
Tink&SquirtsMom said:
Do you know how much those cost, and/or how loud they are. Dh and my dad (mechanical engineer, knows about these things) had a discussion about if it was necessary and I think they came to the agreement that we had a decent setup based on product requirements and we could wait and see if more was needed. They did protect from power surges and get the right connection thingies, etc. I'm hoping to get at least two years out of the bulb (I'll find out how realistic that is... its on alot), if we get less I guess we can check into the fan as an option when starting with the new bulb?? I must admit I am not the most savvy on these type of things (if my use of thingies as a technical term didn't give that away)... so I have to defer to my dh's judgement.
Not sure on cost, though I would not imagine it would be terribly high. As far as loudness, it really depends on the fan. You may be able to install it down in the other chamber you mentioned so it blows in to the tv chamber -- this should help keep the sound down. If you have any mid to high end A/V stores in your area, you may want to chat with one of their folks about the issue. Or, visit avsforum.com and ask there -- lots of good info on that site.
 
WIcruizer said:
HDMI is the best possible connection to use, because it keeps the signal 100% digital all the way through. There is a slight, but noticeable difference when I switched to HDMI. And for the DVD player, HDMI cable is clearly the way to go.

You are right about the programming. But you can't buy a 1080i set. The choices are 720p or 1080p. I went to several local retailers, and there is a difference betwen the two. The 1080p sets are more expensive, so it's your decision if it's worth it.

My comment was about not wasting money on 'high' end cables for DVI or HDMI, but agree that where possible those were the ways to do.

And can you please expand on your comment about no 1080i sets? Right now 1080p is fairly new and if you're getting a CRT based set then they're just about all 1080i. Plasma/LCD/LCoS/DLP currently are all mostly 720p with 1080p just starting to roll out. However just about all the 1080p sets have no inputs for 1080p source material, they just upconvert internally to 1080p.
 
don't the channels have to be broadcast in HD to work? With Directv there are harldy any HD channels....I mean of course ESPN is one of them!
 
lillygator said:
don't the channels have to be broadcast in HD to work? With Directv there are harldy any HD channels....I mean of course ESPN is one of them!

Yes, there has to be an HD version of the channel sent by the program provider then your service provider needs to decide if they want to carry it. Right now, for national coverage HD channels, D* has ESPN, ESPN2, Discovery HD Theater (not the same programming as discovery channel), HBO, Showtime, Universal HD, HDNet, HDNet2 and pay per view HD channel. Depending on where you live you might also be able to get ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC in HD. For NFL Sunday Ticket subscribers they also carry a number of football games in HD if you subscribe to the SuperFan package and some select NBA games for NBA Full Court subscribers.

Some of the HD channels that are out there that D* has choosen to not carry are, TNT, Cinemax, Starz, The Movie Channel, National Geographic, Food, HGTV, the VOOM HD package, InHD, InHD2 and I'm not sure if their up yet but Outdoor Life and a new MTV HD channel.
 
WIcruizer said:
I just went through the process of educating myself on HDTV in the process of buying one. The one thing I walked away with is that jsut about everyone I know (even techies) don't understand some of the HDTV basics.

In fact, there was a recent article that found that almost 25% of people who have an HDTV have no way of viewing HDTV programming. They THINK they are watching High Def programming simply because the picture is better in general than older TV sets. But they don't realize you need a cable box or satelittle receiver that can specifically handle HD programming.

There are also differences between the various types of TVs. DLP, LCoS, Plasma, etc. 720p vs 1080p. How does the DVD player fit in? Whatare the best connections? I learned so much, more than happy to share.

And...by the way...for those of you who haven't made the leap, HD is a WOW experience.
We have had HDTV since September 2001. We have the cable box to decode the HDTV and feed it into out HDTV monitor. Our monitor does line doubling, so even a VHS tape looks fantastic. Go with 1080p for more resolution. Our DVD player has the three gun outputs that we feed into the second HDTV input. The DVD player has less lines of resolution than the TV can handle, so the TVs signal processor uses the line doubler to fill in the lines that are missing and make the picture very clear. You will love a true HDTV broadcast.

Plasma is a beautiful picture, but check the amount of hours when it hits the 60% brightness level. The picture will get darker overtime.

DLP is a good choice, but the bulbs are very expensive and have a limited life.
 

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