Having an AP is costing us free dining. Is there any way around it?

What is the TIW? The majority of our meals will be QS. We'll be going with our high school band. The kids will have meal dining cards and will most likely use them at QS places.

Take the room only. Those kids are going to be going from one place to another, getting food is going to be on the go. I would stick to paying out of pocket for your food because getting a whole meal even at QS might not be convenient to the kids' schedule. You might wind up with a whole bunch of credits at the end of your trip.
 
Yes, free dining IS always free. Whether it's a good deal or not is the debate. Sometimes it's the best deal available for certain people, sometimes it's not. Paying rack rate for the room does not change the fact that if you get free dining you are paying $0 for the dining plan.

Sorry, but I can't stand the condescending attitude that surrounds free dining on these boards.

I totally agree with you! :thumbsup2
 
With discount rooms and TIW we save way more than free dining. We own DVC too though but we often have run out of points. TIW works at most table service and at the value food courts (which is an awesome deal in my opinion). You have to pay for it but we recouped costs in 2 days at the All Stars (breakfast for 6 people and dinner one night for 6) and 2 sit down meals. My husband is military and the military rate is almost always better than any other discount rate. We rarely can make the dining plan worth it financially.

Free dining can be worth it, but it's hard to make it worth it if you don't need tickets unless you're okay with using those ticket prices to renew your AP's as mentioned. In the past we have given our tickets to family as gifts.
 
Free dining can be worth it, but it's hard to make it worth it if you don't need tickets unless you're okay with using those ticket prices to renew your AP's as mentioned. In the past we have given our tickets to family as gifts.

If I'm not mistaken, you lose the discount from renewing your AP's if you upgrade from a standard ticket.
 

What is the TIW? The majority of our meals will be QS. We'll be going with our high school band. The kids will have meal dining cards and will most likely use them at QS places.

tablesinwonderland.com

Resort-based QS places you can use it at:

all Value foodcourts, including the one at Art of Animation
Sassagoula at POFQ
The Artist's Palette at SSR

and at Animal Kingdom park:

Flame Tree Barbecue
Pizzafari
Restaurantosaurus
 
If you are in a value, and going more than 6 nights, I would 100% buy the 2 day ticket, and save them.

I would do the math on a mod and/or less than 5 nights, it is likely it would not work out, but it would be close.

Anything over a mod, or under 4 nights, it is usually cheaper to do a room only discount (if available, not always).
also if you are only 2AD and under 3 it would be tougher, if you were 4 Disney AD this would be a bigger difference.

We lost the tickets we purchased, but still saved more.

To the TIW card, IDK, it is not really 20%, as you are forced to tip 18%, which IMO is not accurate to all services/rest on site.. I do not feel 18% for CP, or CM is a reasonable wage/tip. So I would argue on the TIW, but do the math.. also due to you already completed 1 trip, you would need to use up the $$ savings on 1 trip.. if it was 11 days long, or big drinkers this would be easy, on a 6 or 7 night trip, without margaritas.. it would be tougher. (Also note some holidays/places not included too.) I have done the math a few times on the TIW, and it is not for us, due to we like to do a show, we are a 1 drink a nice family, and we like QS which are often not included. It is person specific which is best.. but in our cash we were values and 10 or 11 nights.. and FD still worked out better.
 
When you book your package with Free DDP, you have to add a park pass for each guest in the room over age 3. However, it can be for the minimum of a two-day pass.

You will want to see if this can be ticketed separately from any Magic Bands you receive as you don't want to accidentally activate the park pass. Just use your AP's to enter all the parks and for your FP+.

The two-day pass may be used for a future trip, used to upgrade to another MYW ticket or towards the purchase of another AP.

HTH, Steve :cool1:
We decided to go on a semi spur of the moment quick three night cruise. We had two days on tickets left from doing this very thing and we're using them to tack on two days at WDW for the cost of a discounted room at a value. A day at MK and a day at Epcot for $190. Yes I realize we already spent the $$ for the two day ticket back when we had the free dining, but we upgraded to Dx dining and saved the cost of the two tickets and the extra for the full price room. If you are going back to WDW at some point after your AP's expire and if you can afford to have the $$ locked up in two day park tickets I think this is the way to go.

OP

I'm not sure how many people in your party have AP's but if you are a family of four, I think the free dining would be worth it for you. Yes, you have to purchase two tickets each now, but when you do eventually use them, you can price bridge the ticket and you will save some money down the line.
I agree!

Free dining is not nearly as good as the AP room discount (or bounce back room only discount) and a Tables in Wonderland discount.
I disagree. Two QS meals per day OOP for 2 people is about $50.00 and if you add a snack into the mix that brings it up to about $60.00/day. You are NOT going to save $60.00/night on a room at a value. You might at a moderate, but don't the moderates give the regular dining plan? If you factor a TS and a QS per person that's at least $80/day total and you likely will not save $80/night on a room.

What is the TIW? The majority of our meals will be QS. We'll be going with our high school band. The kids will have meal dining cards and will most likely use them at QS places.
Are the kids going to be on your reservation? If they are, they will have to have 2 day park tickets as well and if their tickets and meals are provided as part of their school trip, it would NOT be worth it for you to go with the Free dining.

Could you give us a little more information? Like are your kids going to be on your reservation? How long are you staying? How many kids? That would help me give you one other scenario I'm thinking of.
 
I disagree. Two QS meals per day OOP for 2 people is about $50.00 and if you add a snack into the mix that brings it up to about $60.00/day. You are NOT going to save $60.00/night on a room at a value. You might at a moderate, but don't the moderates give the regular dining plan? If you factor a TS and a QS per person that's at least $80/day total and you likely will not save $80/night on a room.

Actually with a 35% discount on a moderate room in the month of March would save about $90 off the current price. And food cost is such a huge variable since every one has their own preference. The OP would really have to look at the cost of food and the type of meals they plan on eating.
 
Actually with a 35% discount on a moderate room in the month of March would save about $90 off the current price. And food cost is such a huge variable since every one has their own preference. The OP would really have to look at the cost of food and the type of meals they plan on eating.

Except I haven't seen a 35% discount for a moderate hotel during March. The best I can find is 25-30%.
 
I disagree. Two QS meals per day OOP for 2 people is about $50.00 and if you add a snack into the mix that brings it up to about $60.00/day. You are NOT going to save $60.00/night on a room at a value. You might at a moderate, but don't the moderates give the regular dining plan? If you factor a TS and a QS per person that's at least $80/day total and you likely will not save $80/night on a room. Are the kids going to be on your reservation? If they are, they will have to have 2 day park tickets as well and if their tickets and meals are provided as part of their school trip, it would NOT be worth it for you to go with the Free dining. Could you give us a little more information? Like are your kids going to be on your reservation? How long are you staying? How many kids? That would help me give you one other scenario I'm thinking of.
So much depends in a variety of factors, including family size and ages, discounts available (TiW, AP, DVC, etc.), and the time of year of the visit. The dining plan, even when it's "free", is not a better deal for everyone. What works for you may be more costly than other choices for someone else.

In the OP's case, no matter how you dice it, tickets that they don't need have to be purchased if they want "free" dining. That's an expense that she could avoid by using an AP room discount and paying OOP for her food. Yes, she could toss those 2-day passes in a drawer and use them another time. But why spend the money now if you don't have to? That's about $400 for 2 people and it could be spent in another way - maybe not even at Disney.
 
We decided to go on a semi spur of the moment quick three night cruise. We had two days on tickets left from doing this very thing and we're using them to tack on two days at WDW for the cost of a discounted room at a value. A day at MK and a day at Epcot for $190. Yes I realize we already spent the $$ for the two day ticket back when we had the free dining, but we upgraded to Dx dining and saved the cost of the two tickets and the extra for the full price room. If you are going back to WDW at some point after your AP's expire and if you can afford to have the $$ locked up in two day park tickets I think this is the way to go.


I agree!


I disagree. Two QS meals per day OOP for 2 people is about $50.00 and if you add a snack into the mix that brings it up to about $60.00/day. You are NOT going to save $60.00/night on a room at a value. You might at a moderate, but don't the moderates give the regular dining plan? If you factor a TS and a QS per person that's at least $80/day total and you likely will not save $80/night on a room.

Are the kids going to be on your reservation? If they are, they will have to have 2 day park tickets as well and if their tickets and meals are provided as part of their school trip, it would NOT be worth it for you to go with the Free dining.

Could you give us a little more information? Like are your kids going to be on your reservation? How long are you staying? How many kids? That would help me give you one other scenario I'm thinking of.

It is not just the cost of the food you need to factor in. We get APs and it costs us less than $25/day for park entry (usually $20). That is also part of the savings. We also can park hop. A 10 day park hopper is $423.87 for an adult. That is twice what we spend on tickets. For two people that is about $40 per day or 2/3 of your "free" food.

At the values, we get 20% off the food we purchase and 20-25% off the room. We never spend $60 on 4 CS and 2 snacks.
 
When you book your package with Free DDP, you have to add a park pass for each guest in the room over age 3. However, it can be for the minimum of a two-day pass.

You will want to see if this can be ticketed separately from any Magic Bands you receive as you don't want to accidentally activate the park pass. Just use your AP's to enter all the parks and for your FP+.

The two-day pass may be used for a future trip, used to upgrade to another MYW ticket or towards the purchase of another AP.

HTH, Steve :cool1:

I did this, absolutely told the two day tickets were on the KTTW, not on the band. But, it used the two days first on the band and not there to use as the upgrade. I was still at AK when I discovered the misuse, but it took about an hour to straighten it out. They placed them on separate cards, to be used by 12/14. What if we do not get there this year, I ound want them towards the next AP.

I think it is much less expensive to not use the dining plan if just using counter service and few sit down dining. We not eat all the desserts, and meals. Too much food to make up loss of the discount our last trip. Unless you need tickets, it's not a real bargin.
 
Yes, free dining IS always free. Whether it's a good deal or not is the debate. Sometimes it's the best deal available for certain people, sometimes it's not. Paying rack rate for the room does not change the fact that if you get free dining you are paying $0 for the dining plan.

Sorry, but I can't stand the condescending attitude that surrounds free dining on these boards.

I didn't say it to be condescending; I truly believe nothing in life is free. You "pay" for it somehow or someway always. Call me glass half empty....
 
Yes, free dining IS always free. Whether it's a good deal or not is the debate. Sometimes it's the best deal available for certain people, sometimes it's not. Paying rack rate for the room does not change the fact that if you get free dining you are paying $0 for the dining plan.

Sorry, but I can't stand the condescending attitude that surrounds free dining on these boards.

No one is saying that the line item for "dining plan" isn't 0 if you get free dining. But it can very well be (and often is) that the better bargain is to take a room discount and pay al a carte for dining at Disney, hence the more prudent thing to do, if one is looking for the best bargain, is to not use free dining.

From the perspective of what one would pay total for a trip that includes a room with free dining or one that is a discounted room, "free" dining is not free - the total is more, not less, for many, many people, even if that one line item is set at "0" because the cost is made up in the price of the room.

Say you went to Walmart and bought your kids a toy that requires 8 batteries. You can pay $50 for the toy and get the batteries thrown in for free, or you can pay $30 and buy the batteries separately for $15. Are those batteries actually free or did you just transfer the line item of the cost (and pay a bit extra)?
 
I did this, absolutely told the two day tickets were on the KTTW, not on the band. But, it used the two days first on the band and not there to use as the upgrade. I was still at AK when I discovered the misuse, but it took about an hour to straighten it out. They placed them on separate cards, to be used by 12/14. What if we do not get there this year, I ound want them towards the next AP.
.

We had our two day passes removed from the band before we entered a park. They said they could prioritize them on the band but since we have nothing but issues with the bands we asked for them to be removed completely and placed on cards.

Our two day passes do not expire and nor should yours. I would contact guest relations and look into this because you were told incorrect information. :confused3
 
Say you went to Walmart and bought your kids a toy that requires 8 batteries. You can pay $50 for the toy and get the batteries thrown in for free, or you can pay $30 and buy the batteries separately for $15. Are those batteries actually free or did you just transfer the line item of the cost (and pay a bit extra)?

The batteries are free, just as free dining is free. We all see things from a different perspective. :goodvibes
 
Say you went to Walmart and bought your kids a toy that requires 8 batteries. You can pay $50 for the toy and get the batteries thrown in for free, or you can pay $30 and buy the batteries separately for $15. Are those batteries actually free or did you just transfer the line item of the cost (and pay a bit extra)
The batteries are free, just as free dining is free. We all see things from a different perspective. :goodvibes
When something is really "free" there are no other restrictions made which require the customer to spend more money. Bundling services and/or products together, like they do with "free" dining packages, is a marketing ploy. Just because someone attaches the word "free" to an item, that doesn't make it so. "Free" Dining at Disney is just another package discount.
 
When something is really "free" there are no other restrictions made which require the customer to spend more money. Bundling services and/or products together, like they do with "free" dining packages, is a marketing ploy. Just because someone attaches the word "free" to an item, that doesn't make it so. "Free" Dining at Disney is just another package discount.

Free dining is still free dining IMO.

Weather or not it's a good deal for you or your family is something you will have to figure out. :goodvibes

Out of curiosity.....if free dining was offered and there were no other room discounts being offered, would you consider it free then?
 
I didn't say it to be condescending; I truly believe nothing in life is free. You "pay" for it somehow or someway always. Call me glass half empty....

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had sinister motives behind what you said, but I've seen the kind of attitude I was describing for years on this board. It's implied people are suckers for falling for free dining, because if they knew any better they'd know it's not actually free. Fact is, it can be a very good discount at times, it can be far and above the best one depending on certain factors.

No one is saying that the line item for "dining plan" isn't 0 if you get free dining. But it can very well be (and often is) that the better bargain is to take a room discount and pay al a carte for dining at Disney, hence the more prudent thing to do, if one is looking for the best bargain, is to not use free dining.

From the perspective of what one would pay total for a trip that includes a room with free dining or one that is a discounted room, "free" dining is not free - the total is more, not less, for many, many people, even if that one line item is set at "0" because the cost is made up in the price of the room.

Say you went to Walmart and bought your kids a toy that requires 8 batteries. You can pay $50 for the toy and get the batteries thrown in for free, or you can pay $30 and buy the batteries separately for $15. Are those batteries actually free or did you just transfer the line item of the cost (and pay a bit extra)?

I said myself that sometimes free dining is the better deal, meaning not always. Sometimes the room discount is the better deal, just like you said. The part I bolded in your post is absolutely and totally false. Free dining can be the best bargain available, depending on your resort, family size and eating habits.

Pricing out our February trip we had a free dining pin. We are 5 Disney adults. If we were to stay 2 rooms at a moderate, the room discount was 25%. The total package price for FD was about $6500. The cost of room & tickets with the room discount was just under $5200. Our trip is 10 nights long, so dividing that $1300 by the number of nights and people, we get $26 a night. That is barely enough to eat 2 CS meals per person per night, let alone a TS each night like we enjoy doing. FD is a no brainer for us in that situation. If we were only 4 Disney adults, the per night amount the 25% discount provides us is $12 a night. You cannot eat on $12 per person per night at Disney.

The numbers worked out for us to use FD instead of a room discount for any rooms up to I believe rooms with a rack rate of about $700 a night, using the appropriate discounts for each level. It's different for everyone, but it's absolutely not true that the room discount is always the best option for saving money. It completely depends on your family make up and your preferences. So, the total cost can be much less for FD, there is not one right answer. That's why I hate seeing people being told all the garbage about free dining not being free, sometimes it is your best bet.

The battery example is silly and not comparable. There is no situation in which that can work out better in the long run for the customer. A better comparison is a buy one, get one free sale. You have the choice of paying full price for an item and getting a second similar item free or paying 70% of the cost for a single item. If the item all cost $100, paying $100 is the better deal for someone who wants $200 worth of items but paying $70 is better for someone who only wanted $100 worth. BoGo is the better deal for people who were already planning on getting that second item, but it is not the better deal for people who just wanted one.

The word free is just semantics. Whether you believe it is free or not, free dining can work out better for some families.
 
Free dining is still free dining IMO.

Weather or not it's a good deal for you or your family is something you will have to figure out. :goodvibes

Out of curiosity.....if free dining was offered and there were no other room discounts being offered, would you consider it free then?
No, I wouldn't. Because, unlike you, I see it as a package discount and not "free".
 












Receive up to $1,000 in Onboard Credit and a Gift Basket!
That’s right — when you book your Disney Cruise with Dreams Unlimited Travel, you’ll receive incredible shipboard credits to spend during your vacation!
CLICK HERE






DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter DIS Bluesky

Back
Top Bottom