Having a really bad night...(long, just needed to vent).

2angelsinheaven

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:sad2: Needing to vent, hope you guys don't mind. Tonight was really bad, I've finally come to a very harsh conclusion in my life regarding my relationship with my father. Here is some background. I was always Daddy's Little Girl, we were very close, he was the stay at home "mom", I've got so many good memories of my father, etc. In 1996 my parents seperated, due to my mother choosing a different lifestyle, well my father apparently was very bitter about this. I moved in with him 2 months later and lived with him until 1999 when I moved in with my DFiance. During this time he fought my mom for support, custody of my younger sister, which I at the time agreed with. Infact I spent all my time during High School cooking, cleaning, shopping, paying bills, doing his taxes, etc for him so he could take me and my sister, I lost my childhood because I wanted us all to be together. However she won the case and my sister moved home at the age of 14 and has lived with my mom every since. I've never done anything wrong to my father, unless loving him was wrong, I was a good daughter, etc. The only gripe he has with me is that once he paid a bill for me $100.00 and I have yet to repay him, HOWEVER it's been 5 years since he has spent a holiday with us or birthday... I feel this debt has been repaid 10x's over.
Anyhow since about 3 years ago we don't speak much, not by my choice but his.... he never calls, etc. He has his own life now without us. Takes care of his DGirlfriend's daughter and what not. Sends his childsupport check to my mom and thats the extent of his relationship with us. Never calls, never visits, etc. I try but he declines. And always yells and tells me I want something from him and he doesn't have time for me. WEIRD! I'm 23, live on my own, all I want is my dad back.
Well he moved into a new house last month, I drove by tonight, the cars where there but the lights where off so I called. He answered the phone and told me, "Darlene, I never want to speak to you again... etc etc etc". I then asked him to tell me why, please talk to me, and he just repeated that told me he didn't care about me and hung up. I just don't understand what did I ever do? I spent the rest of the night in tears. My Fiance says why bother even calling him, you know what this does to you... but for some reason I keep hoping he will change. Anyone have a parent who is just plain uncaring? Or am I the only one. It just seems so silly to me for him to do this... and It is not his Girlfriend telling him this, infact I am the one who found her for him. I guess maybe I'm a bit Jealous of her and her daughter and my dad spending tons of time with them and turning his back on me and my sister. I've begged him to visit us, invited him to dinner, etc... urgh!

Whew... sorry so long just needed to vent. At a loss at what to do anymore. :sad1: So I guess in conclusion I have to "write" him off and not do this to myself anymore.
 
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No, you are not the only one to go through something like this. Maybe there is something going on with him that makes him be this way - it might not have anything at all to really do with you. Does that make sense? I hope and pray that you two get to connect again and rebuild what you once had.
 
Honestly I think he is bitter over their divorce, but I can't rationalize how he can take that out on his children. We had nothing to do with it, yet it's the only reason I see for his actions towards us. He has always complained to us about our mom, their divorce, money issues between them since the divorce. I only hope that this will make an impact on me and I will never allow something like this to happen to my children... ::yes::
 

Pay him back the $100.

Maybe he thinks you're just calling him to borrow money???

If you pay him back and he still acts this way, I'm at a loss.

:grouphug:
 
:hug:
I have a difficult father/daughter relationship as well. I hope everything works out for you!
 
Maybe you could write him a letter. That way you can get your feelings out and he won't be able to hang up. Tell him how much you love him....how much you need him to love you. Please enclose $100 in the letter, thanking him for lending it to you. I don't think he should be this upset over such a small amount, but he will no longer be able to "use it against you". I would gladly hand my children $100 and never think about taking it back. But some people are different.

Also, perhaps you can talk to a professional (counselor, priest, minister, non-profit help, etc.). So much mental and emotional damage can be done to a person when rejected by a parent. Don't do this alone. Help is out there.

Many hugs to you. Please keep us posted..........

Hentob
 
Unfortunately, sometimes people do things which are unexplainable. I would pay him back the $100 so you're "square", write him a note telling him that you feel badly about the rift between you, that you'd like to solve it and keep the relationship open, but you need to go n with your life and you need to let this go, and put it in it's place in YOUR life.

I'd consider talking to a counselor to help you do this.

:grouphug:
 
I'm sorry. :(:(:( I haven't spoken to my own father in 13 years...by my choice. He left my mom (and my brothers and I) and decided he just didn't want to be a husband or father anymore.

My situation is not the same as yours, but still being estranged from your father, no matter how, is a hard thing to cope with. I wish you the best. :hug:
 
Darlene,

It sounds like you have taken many steps to try and fix the relationship with your father. It certainly can't be easy when he won't explain why he has these feelings. None of us can explain for him, as only he knows why he is feeling this way. I agree with the others...send him a letter explaining your feelings, along with the $100. Tell him that you want your father/daughter relationship back but the ball is in his court. You will be waiting to hear from him when he is ready.

The idea of councelling may help you too. After sending the letter, move on. Many people don't give others the chances you have to fix a relationship. When/if your father is ready to be your father again, he will know that he can contact you.

Good luck and I hope things all work out for you in the end. :hug:
 
I agree with those that suggest sending him the $100, but I'd include interest to be fair.

Is it a possibility that someone said something about you to him, maybe even lied? Perhaps your sister or mother? My step-aunt won't communicate with my mother, hasn't for years though they used to be close... don't know why, but we suspect she ran into my nasty grandmother who told a lie to cause trouble. Why people do what they do is a mystery.
 
Don't think it is your fault that he is doing this. I, too, have had troubles w/ my parents (Mom especially). I never caused trouble, never rebeled, never drank til I turned 21, got straight A's, never talked back.... I followed all the rules. When I got engaged to my now DH, my mother stopped speaking to me because she wanted to plan the whole wedding and not leave anything for us to do. She had ideas of no bridesmaids, her choice of wedding dress, no more than 10 friends invited, but 150 relatives, some of which I never met. It was becoming her "show". She threatened to take her money, and so we agreed it would be better for us to pay for the wedding as my DH had a good job at the time and could afford it. My DM was encouraged to be involved w/ the planning, but she wanted to do it all or not at all. Then my grandmother told me that my mother had told all the relatives from her side 90% of the guests to RSVP that they were coming and then not to show up. I asked my DD what could be done, and he did not want to get involved seeing as he had to live w/ her. So we packed up and eloped and had a beautiful wedding w/ just the 2 of us. She hadn't spoken to me for 2 yrs, although I remained close w/ my grandmother and aunts and uncles. We finally reconciled and all was well.

Fast forward 2 yrs... My brother's then girlfriend lied (as a previous poster mentioned might have happened) to my DM and I only found this out when I called and called and called on the phone w/ no answer. I held a part-time job under my mother at her workplace, and her secretary proceeded to "pick up" the paperwork at my full-time job office and tell me I was no longer needed. W/ much effort thru calls and letters and discussions w/ other family members, doing what you are doing now, I realized there was no hope in the matter and I "gave up". I decided to not confront her at her home. Thru many many late nights w/ my DH crying on his shoulder feeling so unloved and rejected by my own parents (if they couldn't love me, who could), I finally came to the realization that it was NOT my fault. You must understand that. He has a problem, and you should pity him for missing out on being a part of his DD's wonderful life. All you can do at this point is leave your door open for when he wants to enter it. But you can't make someone have a relationship w/ you. Let him know that you love him, and want a relationship, and that your door is always open for him, but that is all you can do at this point. I am sure he has his reasons.... But from me to you..... there is no good reason to shut out a child. Don't let him damage your spirit and make sure to break the cycle w/ your children. As for me, 5 years passed by w/o any word from my parents.

Luckily, I have a wonderful DH who got me thru those terrible times. I learned from the pain and became a much more independent person because of it. He and I became much closer from the difficult times and we are happily married coming up on 12 years. But it did put a huge strain on us since I was depressed and felt unworthy of love. Your DFiance sounds like he is very supportive and loving and will be there for you thru these tough times. You will depend on him greatly thru these tough times as they will be tough for him to see you go thru this pain. As a previous poster mentioned, you might want to seek professional help as it took years for me to get thru the anguish over being rejected by my DM, and since I too was Daddy's little girl, my DD who stuck by his wife rather than telling her to knock it off.

Anyway, fast forward to 2001. I had just had a difficult labor and delivery (almost died from rupturing). The nurse is teaching me how to nurse this darling baby and I feel that a truck hit me and I have a huge incision from emergency surgery, and the phone rings.... yes right then..... good timing don't you think? And it's my DD calling to see how I am. I started crying horribly, the nurse had to stop and leave and the baby was crying right along w/ me as my tears are soaking him. That was not the time or place to rekindle our relationship as I was not mentally, emotionally, or physically feeling up to it as you can well imagine. I called my DH, we unplugged the phones and had guards at my door to keep any unwanted visitors from entering and disturbing me during such a trying time. They called over and over and over again, couldn't get thru, called the nurse's station, the nurses would come in to check my phones... I thought I was being stalked and my DH and friends were doing everthing to protect me from the pain they inflict and the memories they brought forth of being rejected many years before. They really were worried about me, but that wasn't the time to approach me.

2 months later, after many discussions w/ my grandmother and aunt on this matter, the surgery is healing nicely, my hormones are leveled out, and I make the decision to invite them to my home to meet their grandchild. They did, it went well, we talked about the small and insignificant lie that caused the whole mess, couldn't believe it caused the whole mess, and decided to talk directly to one another for the future rather than deal w/ hearsay. For the birth of my 2nd child, my DM and DD moved in w/ us for a week to take care of Tristan while I was in the hospital. We seem to be healthy and strong, but I only let them in so far now. I'm too afraid of going thru that pain again and so I keep them at a distance now. I am a much better person having them in my life, but I couldn't make them love me. I feel I was meant to go thru the pain of those times to make me a better mother and a less dependent person. You sound like you are very strong and independent and so I am sure there are different reasons you are dealing w/ this situation than I. Maybe this will give you and your DFiance a very deep connection that no one will be able to break ever. That's what happened to my DH and me. But know that you will survive this, and I know that your DD will someday regret turning you away. Hopefully, he will realize this regret sooner than later.

I pray for you and I send you much strength and good will. Just know that others have gone thru difficulties w/ their parents and have gotten thru it. I am so much stronger now and I have so much love to give. Your situation will get better in time, if not w/ your DD, then w/ your DFiance for going thru this w/ you. And hopefully, your children will have the pleasure of knowing their grandfather someday. And if not, then it wasn't meant to be because if he is not better, then you don't want your children to experience conditional love. This minute "I love you." The next minute "I don't." You want your children to feel you will and their family will love them always and forever no matter what they do or who they become. If your DD can't give them that, then protect them from him. But you at least can learn from this and love them w/ all of your heart no matter what. That is what you take from this difficult time.

Sorry my post was so long..... Your experience brought back all of these memories and affected me so. I wanted to let you know you are not alone and those of us on the DIS are supporting you and sending lots of love and good wishes your way. I hope you and DD can work things out soon.
 
Disney Enthusiast , thank you so very much. Your post brought tears to my eyes, I am so very sorry that you too have had a difficult parent/child relationship. Your feelings of rejection are exactly how I feel... if my dad doesn't love me, then... etc. Again, thank you and I am going to leave it up to him to involve himself when he feels it's time, however I just don't know that I would allow him to if it goes much longer. I just don't think it's fair to leave your children lifes only to return when you feel like it.

Of course this is all made worse because of my current situation as I'm taking care of my x-best friend's children because she doesn't want to be mom... so it's bringing all these feelings up and I'm so upset for them as well.
 
:hug: I know exactly how you feel! My dad is in the navy and my parents divorced when I was young. While he did try to see me when I was younger, he finally decided it was not worth the "hassle" (his words). Since my mom, he has remarried five times and has more kids. I had major issues with this growing up wondering what was wrong with me since he stayed involved in his other kids's lives. One day I am sure I will be in therapy due to this. I tried to revive our relationship when I had my first DD, but his reply was that he did not know how to feel about us and that I should let it go. So I did. My mom had several marriages before she met and married my REAL dad, Bob. While I was growing up I never gave him a chance since I still had hopes of my dad finally remembering me, but now that I have "let it go" we are really close. As a parent I can not fathom how a parent can treat their kids so horribly and maybe the whole rotten situation has made me a better parent to my own kids. I know that I appreciate them and care for them WAY MORE than my dad did me. I hope everything works out for you. I know how very hard it is to actually let it go (sometimes I do not know if you really can).
 
You have a lot on your plate right now and you must do what's best for you. You must think of yourself right now and your mental and emotional health.

My DH and I discussed the situation over and over again and also came to the conclusion as you think you will that if they came back, the door would be closed. I mean, 5 yrs is too long. I "let it go" as a previous poster mentioned and moved on and pretended they were dead. That was the only way I could manage to move on w/ my life. I also read the articles about how grandparents sue their children for visitation w/ their grandchildren and they were winning the cases. My DM is a very influential person in this area, knowing many judges and attorneys and other politically powerful people. I couldn't imagine having to drop my children off for holidays and every other weekend so my parents could poison them. So we decided the ties were and always would be broken.

Then I had a baby and they kept contacting me even after the hospital, begging for reconciliation. My grandmother (father's side, 93 yrs old at the time, wanted reconciliation before she passed away) was begging, my Aunt (father's sister, my God Mother) was begging and I did so for my child and for my grandmother and aunt. I am not a mean person, and felt I was becoming a person I didn't want to be. So I decided to give them a chance. Looking back, I am so glad I made that decision. They were sincere and have "behaved" themselves thus far, although I watch them closely just in case. My children are better for it and have a nice connection w/ their grandparents now. I know this much: that you must let it go, move on, not blame yourself, and learn from this. After a period of time, you might feel the need to close the door permanently. And that is ok. And that is up to you. And you can change your mind later if you feel the need. You do what's best for your family: you, your DFiance, and those kids. That's all and the best you can do.

I hope you get through this time faster than I, although you never do get over the pain entirely. If he reenters your life tomorrow, you will still feel these past days for the rest of your life. A child never gets over rejection from a parent, even if it's for a minute. As I read your post, the pain inundated my body again, definitely less severe, but painful all the same, and I am speaking w/ my parents each day via e-mails and on very friendly terms. So I am still affected both negatively and positively over this relationship. Maybe I was just meant to let people like you know that others have gone through what you are now and have survived and have gotten stronger. Also, to let you know, sometimes it eventually works out even after long periods of time of no communication. Maybe he'll come around, maybe he won't, but you'll do just fine w/ or w/o him because you have built a strong foundation out of your own life.

My heart breaks for you as I know some of what you will be going through. I'm glad I have helped you to understand you are not alone in this and we are all pulling for you on the DIS. Remyandhollandsmommy has gone thru difficult times as I am sure many others have on the DIS. The other posters on your thread who may not have experienced such heartbreak w/ their parents have only hugs, well wishes and support coming your way. So you know that we all care about you and wish you strength and love during these difficult times.

Remember, you are very special and loved and don't you ever forget that. You are worthy of so much more than what your DD can give you right now. Look at what you are doing for those kids. They must be going thru some tough times thinking their mother abandoned them. Now that I think of it, maybe this is the reason you are experiencing this right now. You are finding out what it feels like to be rejected by a parent. But you being an adult and stronger w/ a stable environment can help these kids get thru their anguish of rejection. You can now better understand what they must be feeling like and be there for them in ways you might not have been if you hadn't experienced it yourself. They'll feel a connection w/ you that they feel w/ no other. You are their guardian angel.

Wow... that really puts it into perspective doesn't it? Aren't you glad you vented now? You are on a mission thru your grief and pain to help those kids get thru theirs. You just hadn't realized the connection yet. I respect you wholeheartedly for doing what you are doing for those children. I hope you gather the strength and goodwill to achieve what you have set out to do. I'll be keeping an eye out for you. And my thoughts and prayers are w/ you and your family.
 












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