Have you taken Effexor XR?

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My gyno would like me to try it for 4 weeks for my horrendous hotflashes. I looked up some info on it and am concerned about the "weaning off" stories about this drug.

Please share any stories you have on this drug. I guess it's kind of new for menopausal hot flashes. Next to walking around with a fan and water bottle 24/7, I'm about ready to try anything!!!:scared: :firefight :worship:
 
Both times I've weaned off of Effexor XR I was non-menopausal, so take this with Ye Aulde Grain of Salt:
The first time I had no discontinuation syndrome at all. The second time I felt like heck, I had textbook withdrawl. Additionally, the second time I took Effexor, I had really vivid, stressful dreams-not something I'm sure would be a good mix with menopausal hormones.
 
Effexor (aka. Venlafaxine) is primarily an antidepressant, one with potentially nasty withdrawal symptoms. Specifically, it is an SSNaDRI drug, meaning that it messes with the neurotransmitters serotonin, noradrenaline and dopamine at varying doses. I took it at the top dose to no effect.

Some info from seratis.net, a site I manage:

Venlafaxine is also known and classified as a bicyclic antidepressant, meaning that the chemical structure of the drug consists of two rings.

Introduced in 1993, venlafaxine has become a popular antidepressant and is known as one of the most stimulating antidepressants available, often making it a poor choice for sufferors of anxiety; interestingly, the medication is indicated for the treatment of generalised anxiety disorders, a quirk similar to that found in the SSRI antidepressant fluoxetine. It is generally seen as an updated version of the drug nefazodone of the same class and in turn is also viewed as the precursor to the drug duloxetine, also of the same class.

Venlafaxine has proven useful as a therapy for treatment resistant patients who have failed to react favourably to other antidepressants. On top of this, the drug typically has a relatively strong antidepressant effect, another reason for the popularity it enjoys.

Unlike most antidepressants, venlafaxine often causes weight loss which is often substantial; as a result it is being assessed as a treatment for obesity, but this use is not endorsed or recommended by the current patent holder, Wyeth.

The mode of action is in this case rather novel. At low doses, only serotonin is affected (whose reuptake is blocked, increasing the amount of said monoamine neurotransmitter available to neurons at any given time). At doses of approximately 225mg per day, the drug also affects the monoamine neurotransmitter noradrenaline in the same fashion. Finally, at high doses of approximately 300mg per day and above, the monoamine neurotransmitter dopamine is also affected, again in the same fashion. As the maximum outpatient dose is 225mg a day, full therapeutic effect requires an inpatient status; moderately or lightly depressed individuals tend not to respond to dosage increases over 225mg per day.

After three days of treatment, the medication reaches a steady chemical concentration level in the bloodstream; however, full therapeutic effect is typically not experienced sooner than three weeks into therapy; a month is a sensible timeframe.

Since venlafaxine has a relatively short half life, it is advisable to take the drug in divided doses throughout the day in order to prevent peaks and troughs in mood. Extended release variants pretty much eliminate this concern.

Unfortunately, venlafaxine does have its share of downsides. Typically speaking, the medication suppresses sexual desire and increases blood pressure, the latter especially at higher doses, making extensive therapy with this drug unsuitable for patients with heart conditions or high blood pressure. As mentioned above, venlafaxine is a strong stimulant, so sufferers of anxiety may want to pass on this drug; those who are treated with it would be well advised not to take this medication late on in the day as it may very well turn you into a bit of an insomniac. Those who react badly to the stimulation may inevitably become more agitated and/or depressed, which unfortunately raises the chances of self harm or even suicide; this is noted in a black box warning attributed to the drug. Further to this, patients with poor impulse control (such as is featured in a borderline personality disorder) or a history of substance abuse should not be treated with venlafaxine.

The most common side effects include nausea (37% chance), headaches (25% chance), somnolence (23% chance), a dry mouth (22% chance), dizziness (19% chance), insomnia (18% chance), constipation (15% chance) and nervousness (13% chance).

Perhaps the biggest problem with this drug is the withdrawal process. Compared with most antidepressants, withdrawal symptoms for this drug are marked; close care must be applied during discontinuation, a process that can often take several months given the typical weekly reduction of just 37.5mg per week. Symptoms typically include agitation, headaches, nausea, fatigue, dysphoria and odd sensations often described as "brain shivers". Patients with extreme difficulties in withdrawing from the drug should be very slowly transferred to the SSRI antidepressant fluoxetine, which can in turn be discontinued at a later date with far greater ease.

Alternatively, try asking the folks over at Crazy Meds? I'm also helping out over there on the Crazy Meds Talk forum; chances are, there are people over there who will have just the answers you need :)



Rich::
 
Effexor is one of the worst of the antidepressants for withdrawal. My husband is on this and is unable to wean by even the smallest amount without being suicidal(never on it for depression or suicidal thoughts). I would not wish this drug on my worst enemy. I've talked to hundreds of effexor users and the only way that anyone has successfully weaned off is to open the capsule and count out the spheres inside and wean off one sphere at a time. One of the most common problems in effexor weaning is GI shutdown.
For hot flashes....sorry, I would rather sweat.

Here's the crazy meds link. It basically says the same thing that I have heard from effexor users. And "sweating" is a listed side effect on the official drug insert.

http://www.crazymeds.org/effexor.html
 

I've been on Effexor XR for a few years now. I was on it years ago for severe anxiety issues (and this was the 4th med my doc tried before we found something that worked). I was on 150mg the first time and no problems when I stopped....and I stopped cold turkey due to surgery.
But after about a year or so, the anxiety issues crept back up and I had to go back on. I started off at 75mgs and went up to 150mg in Feb I believe. I have such massive anxiety/panic attacks, that I can't imagine coming off it. Like I said, no problems the first time, but I've heard horrible stories. I'm sure they will taper the dose down but I think it's good that you guys are aware of the issues so you can be prepared in case it does have bad results (withdrawl). Good luck.
 
I had what felt like horrible withdrawals from Effexor XR. I trusted the doctor to give me the correct procedure for weaning off - he told me to go down to 37.5 mg for 2 weeks, then take one pill every other day for two weeks, then stop. I did that. For a month afterward, I had the withdrawals. I shook, I was sweaty and dizzy, and the most pronounced symptom was that when I turned my head, it took my vision several seconds to "catch up." I was also very nauseous, which I believe was a result of the vision disturbance. I never want to go through that again.
 
I had what felt like horrible withdrawals from Effexor XR. I trusted the doctor to give me the correct procedure for weaning off - he told me to go down to 37.5 mg for 2 weeks, then take one pill every other day for two weeks, then stop. I did that. For a month afterward, I had the withdrawals. I shook, I was sweaty and dizzy, and the most pronounced symptom was that when I turned my head, it took my vision several seconds to "catch up." I was also very nauseous, which I believe was a result of the vision disturbance. I never want to go through that again.
You know what, I had horrible vertigo too, but it was attributed to my surgery. That makes me wonder now. I wonder if any withdrawl symptoms could have been masked by pain meds and the surgery itself. That is interesting to hear.
 
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I just read in a woman's magazine about chewing a few small slices of fresh ginger to help with hot flashes. I don't know if this is really true and helps but it wouldn't hurt to try it out.
 
I don't know what the top dose of Effexor XR is, but I've been on it in varying doses for about 7 years. For a while I was on 300 mg a day, but now I'm on it at 75 mg. Lots of days I forget to take it and I never have any trouble. I'm menopausal, and come to think of it, I don't have really bad hot flashes.
 
Effexor will never cross my lips again. If I was even a smidge late dosing it was like my brain was in another body. I had to dose up and sleep for a while until it kicked it. I can't even describe it. I guess it was like a power surge in my brain. Messed up. Whoo. Scary stuff.

Hope you get some relief. :)
 
Wow! Some interesting replies. I think I might go a more natural route, soybean milk for one. My hot flashes are horrible but I'm thinking I can live with that over the awful withdrawal symptoms.

My doctor said it was up to me if I wanted to try Effexoral or not.....I think I'm going to do the or not!!

I really appreciated your replies on this. I think if I had to take Effexoral for depression and panic attacks....it would be a whole different story.
 
Just an FYI...Pristiq( the new name for Effexor when it's prescribed for menopausal symptoms) was not approved by the FDA today. No details on why, but it's on hold for now, which means that the FDA isn't happy with something about it.
 
Have you tried black cohosh? You can get it almost anywhere. It's by the vitamins and has really helped a lot of women. Including me.
 
I went off 75mg Effexor XR in May. I had been on it for 5 years for anxiety and perimenopause.

I went off cold turkey as I could never get ahold of my doctor to discuss weaning ... It took about a month to get over the withdrawl - major hot flashes and lightheadedness, occasional vision disorientation.

I decided to go off because I was tired of being numb and emotionless. While my DH and SIL cried over the birth of my first grandchild I was unable to feel anything. I have yet to really mourn my father who died 18 months ago.

I am experiencing a heightened sense of anxiety and some morbid thoughts.

Here's the "article" that I wrote while on the drug:

The Death of Jiminy Cricket (2002)

All my life I have had a very noisy head. I took it for granted that everyone has internal conversations, hears music, rehearses what they are going to say (or write) – noise like that. After all, in the cartoons you would often see the ego/id, devil/angel argue in the character’s head – aren’t cartoons just illustrating what all human beings experience – inner voices. Let’s make one thing clear – I do not hear inanimate objects or animals speak to me. As a child I would have a wonderful soap-opera organ in my head which would provide a soundtrack for my life. Bah-bah-bah-boom heralded TROUBLE ahead.

This internal symphony of music and voices is the outlet for my gut (reactions), my fear reflex, positive cheerleading, and especially, the “What-ifs.”

The What-ifs are those scenarios that my brain supplies to prepare me for the worst. The strange part is that there will suddenly be an announcement in my mind - “What if the car goes off the road here?” “What if my husband’s plane crashes?” “What if no one comes to the party?” The What-ifs then must be played out to their resolution – “Am I ready to die?” Am I prepared to lose my husband?” “What will I do with all the leftover food?” “Will I feel bad?” “What will I say” - Unfortunately, the What-ifs can keep you from experiencing things. You would like to think that the voice in your head is your friend and that its mission is to protect …

I have another voice, he is like Jiminy Cricket to me. I always thought he was my conscience, my impulse control. He would keep me on the right path, protect me from my baser instincts just as the original Jiminy protected Pinocchio. He is not there to make me happy, he is there to reinforce good behavior. I have killed my Jiminy. I did not mean to do it.

There are times in my life when my brain becomes overloaded with the things to handle. My brain will fire off messages and What-ifs at such an alarming pace that I cannot sleep, I cannot rationalize any longer about whether the message is meaningful or not. These dark periods come every few years and I now recognize them and get help. This Spring I began experiencing symptoms of depression and acute anxiety along with panic attacks. The trigger was the upcoming wedding of my daughter. I was rational enough to realize that her wedding day is a once-in-a-lifetime experience for her AND me. Help came in the form of a small capsule. I am now on a very mild dosage of an anti-depressant, my “happy” pills. Therapy was just not going to “get me to the chapel on time.”

I don’t like to rely on drugs but realistically our brains are a shooting gallery of synapses, chemicals and receptors. Not enough of one or the other and … let’s just say that it is an area that requires some balance – even caffeine, nicotine, MSG and other chemicals that we consume have a profound impact on our brains. There are some brains that require multiple drugs administered in sequence over a set period of time. Thank goodness that my imbalance is not that severe.

But, the drug HAS silenced my Jiminy. All the words of caution and concern are now gone. I miss Jiminy in a way. But, I have also come to understand that Jiminy did not always send good messages. Often, he kept me from doing harmless enjoyable things and the unspoken message was “You do not deserve this ...”

I believe that if you come from a family who never says the word “Love” and have a tendency to criticize – then your Jiminy may be echoing the messages that you got as a child “You are not worthy” “What if you die” “You can’t …” These messages are interpreted by the child as words of love, concern, protection. Therefore, self-love MUST sound like Jiminy, because our parents love us.

I have replaced Jiminy with my own voice and a new mantra – “Why not try it?” This is a great mantra when Jiminy can no longer argue with it. I DO need to get my spending under control as it appears that Jiminy kept me from spending too much money (unless it’s eBay). Contrary to what I had thought about anti-depressants, it has not taken away my creative side. Rather, my new mantra has helped me to pursue my creativity. And my bills at the craft stores are insane.

The doctors say that once the chemical imbalance in your brain is stabilized then you can go off the drug. Hmm … “What if Jiminy comes back?” “What if Jiminy doesn’t come back?” … “Why not try it?”

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I read this now 2 months after going off Effexor. If your only problem at this time is hot flashes and night sweats - I would choose something else. I believe the drug companies and the doctors are loading us up too quickly on drugs ....

good luck
 
My GYN prescribed Effexor after my hysterectomy that threw me into instant menopause at the age of 43. I was having horrible hot flashes. I was unable to take HRT so Effexor seemed like a good thing to try. It worked like a dream on the flashing and moodiness that instant meno was causing. After about 2 yrs I decided to stop the med. My dr had told me to slowly wean off of the drug, but I was not prepared for the horrible side effects. I felt very strange, shakey, agitated, and as someone else posted, felt like my brain had zingers going through it. I would not ever consider going back on this particular drug. It took me 2 months to totally wean down. I was actually breaking the capsule open and taking a few grains of the contents at the end of the weaning process.
 
im wondering about why it helps hot flashes-i was on effexor and had terrible night sweats-so bad it was like i just got out of the shower.....then i was planning to go off it and was going to go to the dr to ask how to wean myself off-of course i waited until the last minute-i was 3 days without pills (and starting to get a little panicked) and was on my way to the dr to get a refill of a lower dose but it was 9/11 and when i got there, there was a sign on the door that said all dr's went to manhattan to help out
it was a scary time for me, i had the shakes but i kept telling myself it was all in my head
i made it through the day and went to the dr the next morning-had no problems after that
i would take 1 pill every other day instead of everyday
then i would take 1 every third day, and so on
 
i take it now but i wouldnt take it for hot flashes. i get hot and very sweaty on this stuff. i have to say it has helped me with what i am using it for.
 





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