Have you seen this?

[PrincessKsMom]

And I posted a link to a picture yesterday showing the passenger window smashed too

 

[Shutterbug]

Here is the picture of someone smashing the rear window. It happened just before the the man was beaten. You can see the silver car in the upper left of the picture is the same one of him after he was beaten and lying on the ground, surrounded by men who are keeping others away from the SUV driver. (Next picture linked.)




Here is the picture of of the SUV driver lying on the ground after being beaten. Look at the rear window. It's completely smashed out.


And in this picture, the driver side window is completely peeled down against the door. Can anyone say, they only wanted to open a window to talk to the SUV driver? Their intent was plainly to get in to the SUV.

Okay. I was just going by earlier reports that the first time the SUV was pulled over and surrounded that the bikers started smashing out the back of vehicle and cause other damage to it. That is when the SUV sped forward and ran over the biker.

 

[Imzadi]

The problem with C & C (and I am in support of C & C laws mind you) is that in this situation it might not have helped and even caused more problems. First, if it were a C & C state some of the bikers might have had guns too, not just the SUV driver. Second, I am in a C & C state and can name 3 people who aren't in law enforcement that I know have one so the driver is more likely to still have not had a weapon then the other way around. Third, waving a gun around while in a high speed chase and probably nervous or panicked isn't exactly a recipe for success.

Yes, the fact we are a C & C state might have caused the motorcycle riders to give a second thought to chasing anyone because they could be armed but that is assuming they are rational thinkers which nothing about this story indicates. I really do think that the main advantage of having C & C laws isn't that people are carrying guns all around you. It is the possibility that anyone can be carrying so hopefully you don't try anything to begin with.

Precisely why I love Texas gun laws. You don't hear about stuff like this happening in Texas or C&C states.

Maybe I just have a skewed, romanticized idea about it all. But, when you watch movies about the Old West, where everyone has a gun, they often show a bunch of guys playing poker in the saloon. One guy is found to be cheating, and the other guy pulls out his gun. Or is about to. Only pretty much everyone in the saloon has a gun and everyone gets prepared to shoot. People may not respect each other, but they respect when someone has a gun. Usually, everyone ends up putting their gun away, as it's a stand off, as no one wants to start something that's going to end up badly.

If I was allowed to have a gun, as soon as that biker pulls out a knife and starts slashing my tires, I'd have my gun out. HE was the first person to escalate the situation beyond rioting by pulling out a deadly weapon.

 

[Imzadi]

And I posted a link to a picture yesterday showing the passenger window smashed too

Wow. I missed that one.

Okay. I was just going by earlier reports that the first time the SUV was pulled over and surrounded that the bikers started smashing out the back of vehicle and cause other damage to it. That is when the SUV sped forward and ran over the biker.

I think he sped away when someone pulled out the knife and slashed his tires.

A deadly weapon was introduced to the situation. It's probably like the difference between an unarmed robbery and an armed robbery.

When I took a firearms safety class form an NRA expert, he went over various scenarios when, in a court of law, shooting a gun at someone can be used as legal justification for self defense.

If you watch any of the news reports, they always mention that Comm. Kelly said that "The SUV driver feared for his life and the lives of his wife and child," as to why he tried to speed away.

"Fearing for one's life" is a legal phrase for one's state of mind. A deadly weapon was pulled out, and the driver feared for his and his family's life. He had every right to try to escape (and unfortunately drove over someone,) or in C&C states, to fire to defend himself.

 

[bcla]

Precisely why I love Texas gun laws. You don't hear about stuff like this happening in Texas or C&C states.

Maybe I just have a skewed, romanticized idea about it all. But, when you watch movies about the Old West, where everyone has a gun, they often show a bunch of guys playing poker in the saloon. One guy is found to be cheating, and the other guy pulls out his gun. Or is about to. Only pretty much everyone in the saloon has a gun and everyone gets prepared to shoot. People may not respect each other, but they respect when someone has a gun. Usually, everyone ends up putting their gun away, as it's a stand off, as no one wants to start something that's going to end up badly.

If I was allowed to have a gun, as soon as that biker pulls out a knife and starts slashing my tires, I'd have my gun out. HE was the first person to escalate the situation beyond rioting by pulling out a deadly weapon.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...road-rage-fueled-shooting-in-mich-police-say/

Police say 43-year-old James Pullum and 56-year-old Robert Taylor pulled their vehicles into the driveway of the Wonder Wand Car Wash about 7 p.m. Wednesday and exchanged gunfire with handguns.

When officers arrived on the scene, they found both men wounded. Pullum and Taylor were rushed to an area hospital where they were both pronounced dead, The Sentinel-Standard of Ionia reported.

Both men are from Ionia, about 30 miles northwest of Lansing. Police say Pullum had two passengers in his vehicle, but they weren't hurt.

Police say the shooting stemmed from an earlier confrontation that occurred while the men were driving in the area. They didn't give further details except to say Pullum was being tailgated by Taylor, reports the paper. Investigators say both men had valid licenses to carry concealed weapons.

Later reports were that one driver had his CCW permit revoked, but that he had reapplied for it at a later date and it was current at the time of the shooting.

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/268472/2/Road-rage-shooters-CCW-license-revoked-in-2006

Ionia County Prosecutor, Ronald Schafer tells WZZM 13 Taylor's concealed weapon license was revoked for three years for the OWI conviction. Taylor reapplied for the license in 2010 and was approved because he had followed all court-ordered supervision and had no new charges following the 2006 OWI incident.

 

[fortwildernessishome]

I was so horrified when I saw news footage of this incident.

I am equally horrified that there are actually people on the Dis who think that the driver did wrong in trying to get away and in the process hit two people!!!

I would not hesitate EVER in getting myself or my family away from a dangerous situation. My family comes first, to even suggest that I should be concerned about the safety of someone trying to terrorize me (or worse!) over the safety of my family is insane!!

 

[kacaju]

Prayers going out to the two men who are seen in the photo with their arms out trying to protect the driver after he was pulled from the SUV. That was very brave of them to get involved.

 

[Imzadi]

Latest in on local ABC 7 news:

The NYPD want to interview the two "Good Samaritans" who came to the SUV driver's aid and kept the bikers away. According to the wife of the SUV driver, they DID potentially save their lives. (And put their own at risk, not knowing if the mob would turn on them.) Not only are they potential witnesses, the police wants to thank them.

The news showed close up video on the biker who smashed the SUV driver's window in with his helmet. I counted: SIX smashes and the window was down and he reaches in. He was then able to get into the car.

Meanwhile someone else was pounding on the rear window where the little girl sat.

How utterly horrifying to see it up close.

They are showing better footage of the guy, as he is still at large.

News also says the NYPD say they have confiscated ALL of the video, not just what the man posted on YouTube. They had a warrant and searched his whole apartment.

That close up footage can be found here, along with a statement made by the wife of the SUV driver.

(Notice she says a couple times that she and her husband "feared for their lives.")

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9272241&vid=9272468

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Here's pictures of the passenger side window smashed in.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2dd_1380719020

Nice group of young fellas just out for a leisurely ride, minding their own business when suddenly this big bad man in the Range Rover started running them down for no apparent reason. Oh, that's right 'cause he's rich and they have tattoos.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e0_1380663174

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f8_1380674076

Domenech said her family is upset that most of the attention from the incident is focused on Lien and not her nephew, a married father of a 10-year-old and a 14-year-old.
"This man with a Range Rover and luxury lifestyle — it's OK for him to do something to someone because he rides a bike or has tattoos?" she said.
She said she didn't know if the driver should be charged.
"But it should be acknowledged that what he did was wrong," she said. "He had many other options but he chose the violent one."

Wow. I missed that one.

It's the first link.

 

[Imzadi]

On ABC World News Tonight: the NYPD has revealed the the Lein couple (the ones in the SUV) made FOUR phone calls to 911. "And that the tenor and number of calls prove how terrified the family was."

The first was at about 165th St. There is footage of the car speeding away. From the angle, it does show the highway signs clearly. They could have sped towards the GW Bridge. (That's what I would have done. There is almost always police by the side of the toll booths.) But instead, took the fork that goes to the local streets.

The next THREE calls were within 8 minutes as the car was being chased. The last call, right when cops were arriving, after the SUV driver was down on the ground beaten, and the assailants gone.

 

[Imzadi]

It's the first link.

Holy ****! I was focused on the other end of the car, where the driver was, when I looked at that picture.

So she could have been pulled out of the car, too, once they broke in on that side. And since someone smashed in the rear window, could have climbed in and hurt the infant.

 

[Albort]

i wonder what the first confrontation was...

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I was so horrified when I saw news footage of this incident.

I am equally horrified that there are actually people on the Dis who think that the driver did wrong in trying to get away and in the process hit two people!!!

I would not hesitate EVER in getting myself or my family away from a dangerous situation. My family comes first, to even suggest that I should be concerned about the safety of someone trying to terrorize me (or worse!) over the safety of my family is insane!!

I don't know how anyone can have sympathy for the bikers. They brought it on themselves. Terrifying that family for fun. Both DH and I said we would have done the same thing - once hey started slashing tires and surrounding the car we would have gunned it.

 

[glammadiva]

I haven't read the entire thread, but what the so called "bikers" did reminds me of the swoop and squat the crooks do to stage accidents and get money. Swoop up on a vehicle, block it, stop short causing the innocent party to tap/hit the car in front. The offending party, then claim injuries and sues the innocent driver. I know lots of bikers and true bikers NEVER would behave like this crazed pack did. And for the injured biker, it's called assumption of the risk and in some states any damages awarded would be reduced by a percentage determined by a jury.

 

[Planogirl]

I can't believe that they would consider charging the SUV driver with anything. What rational person wouldn't be terrified beyond belief when surrounded by a gang like this? Then when they start pounding on the vehicle, who wouldn't panic and think only of escape?

 

[castmemberb4]

First let me say that I have not read all of the posts here. But I have seen the news reports, the video and read the articles.
I need to say that these are not bikers, these are thugs on crotch rockets !
I have many friends who are bikers and if I were in trouble on the road they are the first people I'd trust to help me. People like this are the ones who give bikers a bad name. This happened because they were being bullies in the first place

 

[PizzieDuster]

Prayers going out to the two men who are seen in the photo with their arms out trying to protect the driver after he was pulled from the SUV. That was very brave of them to get involved.

I was wondering about this. So, passer byers stopped the beating? Thank god. Because there were many bikers to take on right?

I'm on the West Coast and I only got a small snip in our paper that one person was arrested.

 

[PizzieDuster]

Okay. I was just going by earlier reports that the first time the SUV was pulled over and surrounded that the bikers started smashing out the back of vehicle and cause other damage to it. That is when the SUV sped forward and ran over the biker.

I missed this too. Wow. I guess we'll be seeing this in People Magazine soon. How frightening.

You know, I bought one of those cameras for my son as a Christmas gift...he uses it for snowboarding.

 

[coneeny4]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...torcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html

Fox 25 is reporting that the injured biker has a 6 page arrest record from the age of 12 including 4 different jail sentences for drugs and gun charges and he also has a open case pending in Lowell District Court.

 

[WDWJDS]

Sadly, I must admit, because of the media coverage, no matter what the legal ramifications are, I feel that this family will be targeted by these bikers and their supporters for some time after all of this has died down. They have been publicly exposed for their actions and will probably want some sort of revenge.

My question is what biker put that particular video out there to be viewed? Were they doing it because they felt guilty and wanted the world to see the truth, or did they really think that there was nothing incriminating in that video?