Have to vent....DD just told me this concerning Public School

[jimmytammy]

I sit here thinking how to respond to something that is a true concern on my heart. That we homeschool was not for reasons that I think the public schools are wrong. It is not a system without faults. But neither is our homeschool nor anyone elses for that matter.

Fact of the matter is our DS who is 9 now would have been a constant failure in the PS system. Sure they would have pushed him through like so many others but it wouldnt have done him any good. He has learning disabilities but through homeschool we are able to go at his pace and he is learning.

mrsv98, I would not consider myself an intelligient person. I am smart enough to know that my DW should be the teacher, not me. As for the fossil records, evolution scientists seem to change theories more times than they change clothes in a year.


For the others who say they believe in God, I find it disturbing that you believe in Him, yet dont believe in His Word. Im not questioning or judging your faith. I think that is for you personally to ponder.

I have gone back and read many posts here in response. I dont think anyone here will back up evolutionism as fact. It is a theory. Period. So why leave out creationism if some consider it to be theory as well? Point is those who are making the decisions on curricculum(sp) are putting in what THEY want and not what is in best interest of ALL students. If you are going to teach one, be fair and teach ALL theories, including creationism. A young mind is impressionable. Unfortunately, those young minds fall prey very easy to all these theories. I know firsthand. Elon College, where I attended was a Christian college, if you could call it that. We had to take at least 2 religion courses. I take Old and New testament thinking I can do this, crip courses.

Bottom line, for me at least, left me questioning my beliefs for a LONG time. 20 some years to be exact. The more I would question the Bible, though, the more convinced I became that it was right. I came to the conclusion that God is far smarter than me. And I thank Him that I am not so smart for my own good that I cant see Him in the everyday part of my life, like the smell of a rose, or feeling the sun warming on my face. Or at the amazement of seeing my child develop in its mothers womb.

I realized by starting this thread it may open up a can of worms that would have been better closed. I would rather stand up in Gods behalf than the alternative. Just my 2 cents worth with a little spare change laying around

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

Originally posted by slo
I would be upset also if my child was marked wrong for this answer because the question should have never been on the test in the first place.

I have no problem with schools teaching Darwins theory because it is a part of science. But I do have a problem w/ schools condemning a child w/ a bad grade because the child doesn't believe in Darwins theory due to them having religious beliefs.

I'm proud of your nephew also (and I don't even know him)because it takes a big person to stand by what they believe. Good for him, and how sad that a school put a child on the spot with this type of question.

I would hardly call getting marked wrong on a day one test as being condemned.

 

[jennyanydots]

Originally posted by Shugardrawers
I don't belong to any religion. I'm an athiest. First let me say I wholeheartedly support the rights of the child involved and his parents to believe what they choose. I even support the rights of the child to declare his beliefs in a public school. However, the creationist theory has no business being taught in a public school. It is mainly a religous theory and these days there is *supposed* to be a seperation of church and state. By teaching a theory subscribed to by only some religions that seperation is violated. Granted, the evolution theory is flawed but it's a generally accepted scientific theory. I assume this was in a science class. The teacher should be able to include other theories as well such as creationism but when it comes to testing, the child is being tested on retention of the information taught in the class. It's a tough call even for me. If you believe in the theory of creationism then you should stand up for that. You should also be prepared for the possibility that someone else will disagree with you. That's the beauty of this country, you don't have to believe what you are taught. I can't really say who I think was right in this situation. I believe in the theory the theory of evolution but I also realize the child feels his answer was the correct one. You just have to teach your children what you believe to be right and hope that they can stand up for their convictions while allowing others to hold to their own beliefs.

Ok, flame away if you must but I don't plan to debate this. I know this is a mainly christian board. I support your right to practice your religion so I hope you'll support my right not to have one.

creationism is a religious theory, not a scientific one. it belongs in a religious setting, not a scientific one.



the Scopes Monkey Trial was 75 years ago. [[shakes head]]

my religion teaches that science and theology are not diametrically opposed, and that science actually confirms and supports religious doctrine. both Darwin and Genesis describe an orderly progression of creation and development.

in science class you give an answer out of a science book, not the Bible.

 

[tiggersmom2]

I read a story to my son the other night, Cinderella...........oh, we are talking about creationism!

 

[Carl]

I agree with Palmtreegirl. The question was worded incorrectly.

 

[Disney Doll]

I think the Creation story and Evolution can be mutually inclusive, rather than mutually exclusive. Think about it. The Bible says God created certain things on certain days. Wen we hear the word day, we think 24 hours. Well, who's to say that a day in God's time wasn't 10, 20 or even 100 thousand years. If that's the case, then the creation of humans may have taken place over a long period of time, with them evolving to the superior life form with free will, a soul, etc that we are today.

 

[slo]

Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
I would hardly call getting marked wrong on a day one test as being condemned.

For an adult this may not seem like condemning, but to a child who is trying their hardest to do well it would definitly be condemning to them. To have this happen on the first day of school could give a child a bad feeling for what the rest of the year may have in store for them. I would think on the first day of school the teacher would want the child to feel excited about what they are going to learn, and not upset because they didn't answer a question the way the teacher wanted them to answer it.

Evolutionism vs. Creationism is a very debatable topic of which schools should just teach the facts, test on the facts of this theory and end it there. To this boy he answered the question on his test correctly, and not because he is being stubborn, but because this is how he was raised and this is what he believes. I'm sorry, I very easily could see how a child would feel as if he was being condemned for his beliefs.

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

I'd agree with you if we were talking about a grade schooler, but this is a 9th grader!

He was tested on the facts and he answered incorrectly.

 

[janette]

Originally posted by palmtreegirl
She should've just worded the question-

According to the Theory of Evolution did humans evolve from apes?

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by palmtreegirl
She should've just worded the question-

According to the Theory of Evolution did humans evolve from apes?

 

[caitycaity]

For an adult this may not seem like condemning, but to a child who is trying their hardest to do well it would definitly be condemning to them. To have this happen on the first day of school could give a child a bad feeling for what the rest of the year may have in store for them. I would think on the first day of school the teacher would want the child to feel excited about what they are going to learn, and not upset because they didn't answer a question the way the teacher wanted them to answer it.

first of all, the op didn't mention how the boy felt about getting the answer wrong. we don't know how he felt. for all we know he knew he was purposefully answering it the "wrong" way and he was just trying to make a point to the teacher. that is the impression i got, since people mentioned standing up for what he believed in.

secondly (and perhaps this is harsh), but by ninth grade i think most kids have a good idea that life (especially school!) isn't fair. i know i had been confronted by this reality many times by the time i hit 9th grade.

 

[slo]

Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
I'd agree with you if we were talking about a grade schooler, but this is a 9th grader!

He was tested on the facts and he answered incorrectly.

I have to kindly disagree with you right back because at a time when kids are thinking about going to college and wanting their transcripts to look great - they are not going to want topics like this giving them bad grades. I would certainly not want my child to answer what the teacher wants to hear for them to get the grade they need.

I also have to kindly disagree with you about them being tested on the facts. A question such as: Does Darwins theory teach that humans evolved from monkeys? would be a question on the facts. But that was not the question. The question was Does humans evolve from monkeys? (or something like that I don't have the question in front of me) and he answered false because he believes that God created man in his image.

I'm not one for debating on these boards, but I really believe that this boy was correct.

 

[catsrule]

Originally posted by Pop Daddy
were is the scientific proof you come from an ape

I come from cat. I have the whiskers.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by jrydberg
Look around at some of the political threads

 

[caitycaity]

have to kindly disagree with you right back because at a time when kids are thinking about going to college and wanting their transcripts to look great - they are not going to want topics like this giving them bad grades. I would certainly not want my child to answer what the teacher wants to hear for them to get the grade they need.

a 90 on one quiz is NOT a bad grade. i seriously doubt this will affect his chances at college admission.

as for not wanting your child to answer what the teacher wants to hear for them to get good grades, i hope you homeschool. because i can guarantee that no matter if your kids are in public or private school, they are going to have at one teacher who plays that game, and your child will have to decide whether they want the good grades or the satisfaction of standing up for their beliefs.

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

Originally posted by caitycaity
a 90 on one quiz is NOT a bad grade. i seriously doubt this will affect his chances at college admission.

as for not wanting your child to answer what the teacher wants to hear for them to get good grades, i hope you homeschool. because i can guarantee that no matter if your kids are in public or private school, they are going to have at one teacher who plays that game, and your child will have to decide whether they want the good grades or the satisfaction of standing up for their beliefs.

 

[mudhen]

As a teacher, the question was worded poorly, no doubt.

As a parent, I hardly would get all worked up about a
9/10 on a quiz the first day.

People cannot talk about "teaching facts" in conjuction
with the theory of evolution.......having said that, one
cannot discuss "facts" in the same sentence with
creationism either.

Condeming this teacher, school, or all public schools for that
matter based on a question is wrong. I'm sure there are
NEVER any questions worded poorly in the private schools

 

[JayBee]

Originally posted by jimmytammy
My DD just told me that my nephew who is a 9th grader took a true/false test his 1st day this week and made a 90 on a 10 question test. He is a very bright student, on the A honor roll much of his school days so far.

This is where I have a problem. The question he missed was Did Humans Evolve From Apes? He answered false. He got it marked wrong along with a good friend of his.

So two kids are relaying this information to each other, you got it third hand...possibly the exact wording of the question was different than was told to you. right?

 

[Lachesis00]

I have to say this is an interesting topic... amazes me it can be asked in a school setting and be counted wrong no matter how you answer.

 

[katerkat]

OK, science classes were a really long time ago for me, but correct me if I'm wrong. I thought the theory of evolution said we share a common ancestor with apes - not that we evolved FROM apes.