Have to get this off my chest, was I wrong?

[Mama Who]

If the photo taking actually changes your wait time, ask them politely to keep moving or let you pass. If all the photo taking does is change where you do the waiting you were going to do anyway, just wait patiently. In no situation is it really appropriate to just walk past people ahead of you who are obviously still in the queue without saying anything.

(And pooping in line is still right out, indecent exposure or not. There are health codes regulating where we leave human feces. Unless maybe if you bring a pooper scooper...)

 

[KellyNY]

Whenever you seek to impose your own standards on others, you will "ignore to see" many variables, and thus risk unwarranted confrontation.

Which really works both ways. You just ignore to see it.

While I admire your altruistic desire to help those people at the end of the line, who may or may not be outside, and who in any event will soon spend the next 120 minutes of their lives indoors, I find it a wee bit convenient that in helping them, you are helping yourself to a better place in line.


There were other reasons you choose to ignore and moving up one family means nothing to me, they are very welcome to find me in line after they are done and take their original spot. Many people here pointed it out but again you choose to ignore it.

By suggesting you chill out unless you are actually being harmed, I am not seeking to impose my standards on anybody -- I'm simply suggesting you might be a happier person (and you will avoid avoidable conflicts) if you didn't worry about something that is not harming you.

overreaching much/QUOTE]

Anyway, aren't you tired of running around and asking same question slightly twisted again and again, esp. when you ignore answers?

 

[WDSearcher]

Actually since OP moved by, she already considered stopping for extended period of time to be wrong. So she never asked opinion on that as this was given.
You keep pushing idea of overall affect on your waiting time as this is only variable in the equation but it is not. Why should people run to catch up with a tail of the line which is not in sight anymore?

I think people have been pretty clear on this thread that they're talking about the empty space between the person who stopped and the rest of the line that can be seen, and that pretty much everyone (even the "be nice and wait" people) has acknowledged that if the line was at a boarding or merge point or was no longer visible, THAT's when you move on by and catch up. And really "run and catch up"? You may have to walk a little faster for ten paces. You're not sprinting through a queue.

Why new comers have to be outside instead of entering building?

Everyone has to be outside at some point. We're not talking about two hours of extra time anywhere. Five minutes maybe. Not sure why it's such a hardship to be outside for a few minutes, particularly since the people standing outside have no idea whether the line is that long because it's really really crowded or if it's because someone is spending a few minutes taking photos with Mr. Potato Head.

Why someone who is 10 people away from picture taker and not really in Mr. Potato area yet will have to run and not take even a quick shoot because now everyone is catching on?

Oh honestly -- they would certainly have plenty of time to take "a quick shoot" if they wanted to. First, because that's part of how the queue is set up and second, because -- particularly at TSMM -- no one would be moving at so fast a clip that it would stop the operation of the ride if they stopped to take a few photos. Someone taking five minutes to take a few pictures does not suddenly make it impossible for anyone else to take photos due to the suddenly vast amount of space they need to make up by running through the queue.

There are many variables here you ignore to see.

You ignore them too, though. You're looking at it as though the line is disappearing at a breakneck pace and people are being corralled behind some horribly rude picture taker and then they all have to run! run! run! to get back to the line. You're not even thinking about the possibility -- the variable -- that perhaps it was only a span of five or six feet from Mr. Potato Head and the line, and that the person who walked past wasn't really being held up at all -- they just didn't like seeing blank space. That, in fact, it would have not held up anyone in any way from actually boarding the ride. It's just keeping them from being six feet farther along. So ... you're missing variables as well.

Thanks God majority of picture takers and there is a lot of them including me will simply tell people to move on or will not even think twice why people are moving and the least, will ever try to act nasty when they started all that in a first place. OP story is just one of those horror extremes by someone entitled. This is my perspective on this, like it or not.

Horror? Really? Annoying, maybe. But horror?

And that's just my perspective. No more "right" or "wrong" than yours.

 

[WDSearcher]

If I'm in line and someone stops to take photos, as in this thread, I'll wait for a bit (maybe 2 minutes), and after that point in time, I'm walking around them. If/when they catch up to me, they are more than welcome to go around me to resume their original place in line. If someone thinks I am rude or cutting in line, then so be it.

You're the first person (that I've seen) who has said that if the picture takers came back up after taking their photos, you would let them back in line in front of you. That adds an interesting new dimension.

To the OP (and KellyNY and OhioDad and the others who are in the "if they're going to hold up the line by taking pictures, I'm moving around them" camp) ... if you did move around someone taking Potato Head Pics to keep the line moving, would you then let the picture-takers reclaim their place in front of you when they're done?

 

[KellyNY]

You're the first person (that I've seen) who has said that if the picture takers came back up after taking their photos, you would let them back in line in front of you. That adds an interesting new dimension.

To the OP (and KellyNY and OhioDad and the others who are in the "if they're going to hold up the line by taking pictures, I'm moving around them" camp) ... if you did move around someone taking Potato Head Pics to keep the line moving, would you then let the picture-takers reclaim their place in front of you when they're done?

By any means yes. That was suggested several times in this thread including my last post.

 

[WDSearcher]

By any means yes. That was suggested several times in this thread including my last post.

If that was suggested in your post, I missed it. Sorry!

I'd love to hear from the OP on this -- although I fear he/she has long-abandoned this thread. But if the OP moved past the picture takers with the thought that "once they're through, they can have their place back", then it's a little different. I mean, it's not as though the picture taker would know that -- hence, the "line cutter" label -- but it would be interesting to know if that was the OP's intent when they moved around.

 

[ols386]

Whenever you seek to impose your own standards on others, you will "ignore to see" many variables, and thus risk unwarranted confrontation. While I admire your altruistic desire to help those people at the end of the line, who may or may not be outside, and who in any event will soon spend the next 120 minutes of their lives indoors, I find it a wee bit convenient that in helping them, you are helping yourself to a better place in line.

By suggesting you chill out unless you are actually being harmed, I am not seeking to impose my standards on anybody -- I'm simply suggesting you might be a happier person (and you will avoid avoidable conflicts) if you didn't worry about something that is not harming you.

No matter what your, the general your, position is regarding this, we each think that WE are right and those who think otherwise are wrong, and we all try to defend our POV. There are legitimate points being made for both cases, IMO.

 

[Day-Day]

Oh yeah?

 

[ols386]

If that was suggested in your post, I missed it. Sorry!

I'd love to hear from the OP on this -- although I fear he/she has long-abandoned this thread. But if the OP moved past the picture takers with the thought that "once they're through, they can have their place back", then it's a little different. I mean, it's not as though the picture taker would know that -- hence, the "line cutter" label -- but it would be interesting to know if that was the OP's intent when they moved around.

If the picture taker hadn't gotten mad and started mouthing off to the op who walked around her, I'm betting the op would have let them back in front of her, but it didn't get to that point because the picture-taker flew off the handle. That's part of the problem, people sometimes get angry right off the bat.

It really should be just as much the picture-taker's responsibility to tell the op to go on around her, as it would be for the op to simply ask if it was ok to go around, or vise-versa.

 

[HockeyMomNH]

How about when someone is taking a picture and you wait for them to take the picture so you don't cut in front of it? Technically, they are holding you up as well. Or, do you just cut right through and don't care if you cut in front of their picture?

OP - how long were they there taking pictures?

TSM is a slow moving ride... I really don't understand why it's a big deal to pause behind someone taking a picture or two. It is not effecting your wait time at all.

At the point of the line in front of Mr. Potato Head the line widens. I often see a family standing in front of MPH while the person taking the picture stands at the far rail so that they can get the full picture. So, those of you who say you would go by, are you going in front of the picture-taker? That just seems rude to me.

 

[WDSearcher]

If the picture taker hadn't gotten mad and started mouthing off to the op who walked around her, I'm betting the op would have let them in front of her, but it didn't get to that point because the picture-taker flew off the handle.

It really should be just as much the picture-taker's responsibility to tell the op to go on around her, as it would be for the op to simply ask if it was ok to go around.

I agree -- both parties have a responsibility just as both parties are partially at fault.

 

[YankeePrincess]

Well if they were just doing one picture with Mr. Potato Head I would have waited but if they were doing a photo shoot I would have passed them and if they came back to get in line I would have let them go in front of me. I mean how long can you hold up a line? It isn't just me that I would be thinking of but the other people behind me too.

 

[P00H1010]

When you are going to a place that gets as many visitors a year as Disney, unfortunately you are going to run into annoying rude people lol. However, I would pick and choose my battles so to speak. A lot of things I take with a grain of salt and move on.

I don't think there is anything wrong with taking pictures like that as long as it is done in a timely fashion and doesn't hold up the line. If the line isn't moving and you are at a "dead stop" and want to snap a picture or two there is no problem. But if the line begins to move creating a gap in between the picture takers and the rest of the line that is when there is a problem. Then the picture takers are not being considerate of other guests.

If I were in your position and the family taking pictures started to "hold up the line" creating a decent sized gap between them and the people ahead of them I probably would of moved ahead as well. I don't condone line cutting but I think at that point and exception should be made lol.

 

[ccgirl]

TSM is a slow moving ride... I really don't understand why it's a big deal to pause behind someone taking a picture or two. It is not effecting your wait time at all.

At the point of the line in front of Mr. Potato Head the line widens. I often see a family standing in front of MPH while the person taking the picture stands at the far rail so that they can get the full picture. So, those of you who say you would go by, are you going in front of the picture-taker? That just seems rude to me.

Not sure why you're quoting me. I have said a few times I would wait and offer to take a group shot. I was just giving another scenario where people "wait" for pictures to be completed before they progress forward. I was asking the others that would not wait at the rides if they would wait while walking around the parks as well.

 

[HockeyMomNH]

Not sure why you're quoting me. I have said a few times I would wait and offer to take a group shot. I was just giving another scenario where people "wait" for pictures to be completed before they progress forward. I was asking the others that would not wait at the rides if they would wait while walking around the parks as well.

Quoting because I agree with you. I think it is the same scenario. At least I thought I was agreeing? Hopefully I didn't offend.

 

[ftballfan7]

If I were in your position and the family taking pictures started to "hold up the line" creating a decent sized gap between them and the people ahead of them I probably would of moved ahead as well. I don't condone line cutting but I think at that point and exception should be made lol.

Apparently you do condone line cutting. The op has admitted that waitiing for the picture takers would not have increased their wait time one bit in comparison to if the people had not taken pictures. By cutting in line they did manage to decrease their wait time (barely). I don't believe that the op was thinking "oh here is my chance to cut and shorten my wait time", but was overtaken by a momentary lack of patience. I really don't get the huge obsession with an occasional gap in the line as long it doesn't affect the overall wait time. Patience is a virtue.

I also don't think that the people who got cut acted appropriately. Not a huge deal in the big scheme of things.

 

[ccgirl]

Quoting because I agree with you. I think it is the same scenario. At least I thought I was agreeing? Hopefully I didn't offend.

Ohhh....I thought you thought I was crazy. WHich, may be true (me being crazy). No worries....I think the two scenarios are the same as well. In both, I offer to take a group shot. Most people actually seem shocked at the kind gesture. Like I said, this may be the only trip they take to WDW. I like to spread a little magic.

 

[NLD]

My two cents...

I think it's rude to bypass someone taking pictures if all you accomplish with the bypass is to fill a gap in the line.

IMO the polite thing to do is:

1) Just wait patiently.

2) If the photo taking gets so long that the end of the line is no longer visible, then politely point out to the picture-taker that the line has moved. That's probably enough to either spur the person to wrap up and move forward, or to tell you to go ahead of them.

And yes, I really think the onus is on the person BEHIND the picture taker to ask (politely) if they really want to go around, IF it's just a matter of filling a gap in the line. Think of other situations: if two people are talking in line and don't notice the line moving forward, and a gap appears, what do you do? Do you just go around them? Or don't you, at some point, politely point out the line has moved on?

If the line has disappeared from sight, then the onus is on the picture-taker to either wrap it up or indicate that people can go around.

 

[ftballfan7]

my two cents...

I think it's rude to bypass someone taking pictures if all you accomplish with the bypass is to fill a gap in the line.

Imo the polite thing to do is:

1) just wait patiently.

2) if the photo taking gets so long that the end of the line is no longer visible, then politely point out to the picture-taker that the line has moved. That's probably enough to either spur the person to wrap up and move forward, or to tell you to go ahead of them.

And yes, i really think the onus is on the person behind the picture taker to ask (politely) if they really want to go around, if it's just a matter of filling a gap in the line. Think of other situations: If two people are talking in line and don't notice the line moving forward, and a gap appears, what do you do? Do you just go around them? Or don't you, at some point, politely point out the line has moved on?

If the line has disappeared from sight, then the onus is on the picture-taker to either wrap it up or indicate that people can go around.

bingo!

 

[ZoZo]

I think I would have probably tapped the shoulder of an adult in their party and said, "Excuse me, do you mind if we continue on ahead of you?"

Dunno how she would have reacted to that! But generally people wave us on, so they can get back to their photos.

That's what I'd do, politely say, "Do you mind if we move past you?" If she were taking photos for five or ten minutes, I'd be irritated, too.