Have to get this off my chest, was I wrong?

[BrerNashville]

unreasonable time, not unreasonable reason.

And by what standard do we measure unreasonable time, or unreasonable reason for that matter? You should wear velcro to make sure your shoes don't come untied in the park. Is that an unreasonable belief?

The fact of the matter is that one's human nature will severely cut short that standard if it is purely subjective (if I feel like I'm waiting too long, I get to cut). That's a recipe for disaster.

On the other hand if your standard is "as long as it's not delaying me from getting on that ride, it doesn't matter", you will be a much happier person, and will be able to stand back and make a more objective evaluation as to whether you should initiate a confrontation.

 

[DisneyWithMyBoyz]

If people aren't keeping up in line for any reason, I just start singing, "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming." I'm sure 90% of them have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm easily amused.

 

[KellyNY]

And by what standard do we measure unreasonable time, or unreasonable reason for that matter? You should wear velcro to make sure your shoes don't come untied in the park. Is that an unreasonable belief?

The fact of the matter is that one's human nature will severely cut short that standard if it is purely subjective (if I feel like I'm waiting too long, I get to cut). That's a recipe for disaster.

On the other hand if your standard is "as long as it's not delaying me from getting on that ride, it doesn't matter", you will be a much happier person, and will be able to stand back and make a more objective evaluation as to whether you should initiate a confrontation.

if you need to tie your shoes,that is fine, if you plan to teach your 3yo how to tie his shoes, that will take unreasonable time. just to show a difference between same events.
As for visual on line, cannot agree as I remember being surprised but can only say for sure when I visit next time.
Initiating confrontation, not really, if you, general you, take your time to move, you initiating negative reaction from others, so just be consiered for others an they will not bring negativity to you. you starting a chain reaction and it is up to you not to do it, remember you can only control yourself and you cannot expect anything from anyone.

 

[HeatherLassell]

If people aren't keeping up in line for any reason, I just start singing, "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming." I'm sure 90% of them have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm easily amused.

I love that! I am also easily amused and generally find something to laugh about in every situation. Well ALMOST every!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmyUkm2qlhA

 

[BrerNashville]

if you need to tie your shoes,that is fine
As for visual on line, cannot agree as I remember being surprised but can only say for sure when I visit next time.
Initiating confrontation, not really, if you, general you, take your time to move, you initiating negative reaction from others, so just be consiered for others an they will not bring negativity to you. you starting a chain reaction and it is up to you not to do it, remember you can only control yourself and you cannot expect anything from anyone.

I don't think it's fine. You should have worn velcro, like me. If you take your time to tie your shoes, you are initiating negative reaction from me, so just be considerate to my sensibilities about shoes and you will not bring my negativity to you. You started a chain reaction and it is up to you not to tie your shoes in front of me. Remember, only you can control yourself and whether you need to tie your shoes. You cannot expect me to be understanding if your shoes become untied. There must not be any gaps between you and the person in front of you, no matter what.

How about a better rule than my irrational sensibilities about shoes. How about "if tying your shoes, or teaching your 3 year old to do the same, doesn't delay my entry onto the ride, have at it."

 

[lauran cameron]

 

[fan1080]

Clearly, most of us, if not all, do not like the dynamics involved with standing in lines and waiting.

And, it has become apparent that most of us agree that an unreasonable amount of time holding up a line, for any reason, is not acceptable, especially if it affects loading times. If it doesn't affect loading times and there is no net affect on your wait time to get on the ride, this is where we all need to remind ourselves that this could have a negative impact if we decide to go around someone. Many would not appreciate being passed in line and it could lead to confrontation.

Patience, common curtesy, consideration.... is a two way street.

 

[originalkk]

Amazing some of the "angels on a head of a pin" nature of some of the arguments here!

I like to take photos in the lines, but try to have enough consideration for others that I don't hold them up very long or, if I do, I'll wave them past.

In this situation I think I'd wait until the line got out of sight, then suggest they moved on. If they didn't I'd go past.

What about the people at the back of the line, who are possibly waiting outside in the heat, who can't get into the a/c because someone has stopped the line because they decided to take 10 minutes over photos?

As in most things, there is an element of "reasonableness" and basic courtesy which needs to be applied by all sides.

 

[goofy4tink]

It's a que, with the subsequent Disney theming along the way. Disney intends guests to stop and take photos. So...with that in mind, is it okay to stop at Mr Potato Head and take photos? Yes, it is. Is it appropriate to expect those behind you in line to wait? Yes, it is. BUT...if you are gong to stop for more than a minute or so, you really should just tell others to move along, past you.
But, in all reality...those that move past the photo takers are only getting on the ride about 2 mins earlier than if they hadn't moved past.
It's a tempest in a teapot. Would I have had a hissy fit if people moved past me? No. Would I automatically have moved past the photo takers? No. I've been in both situations. When taking the photo, if it's more than a quick stop, point and shoot, then I don't tell those behind me to just go by me. But if I'm taking my time to get a good shot of my child, then yeah, I tell them to go ahead. My issue??? When I go to step back into the line and those at that point accuse me of cutting into the line!!!! Seriously??? Did they think we were dropped by helicopter into that spot???

 

[Anonomom]

What about the people at the back of the line, who are possibly waiting outside in the heat, who can't get into the a/c because someone has stopped the line because they decided to take 10 minutes over photos?

An excellent point.

 

[janabananas]

If the line is going "no where fast", then I wouldn't say anything or expect to go around anyone. I might get annoyed to myself or comment to my dbf just because I am anxious like that.... I know I am not going to get on any faster but I hate to see holes in the line, usually from people not paying attention, though.

However, if I am trying to get on the first flight for Soarin after rope drop, you better believe I will be leaving people in my dust if they are trying to
take pictures. However, I would expect this of people who are trying to get on first flight if I stopped to take pictures.

If I intend to take pictures along the way, I would tell the people behind me to go around me.

I don't think anyone should yell at other people's kids though. Unless there is a serious safety issue about to happen, only deal with the parents.

 

[mesaboy2]

BrerNashville, I appreciate you taking up the mantle and keeping up the fight while I've been away having a real life.

By now you probably realize that we cannot change the mind of some posters. You and I (and many others I bet) understand that patience for a few minutes is no big deal, while others simply will not be denied their opportunity to shave a couple seconds off their day in their own self-interest.

A couple things I haven't mentioned thus far. One, if I myself were to stop and take more than a quick barrage of photos I would absolutely insist others behind me to go ahead. That the OP's foil didn't I also think inconsiderate. However, that still does not excuse me from my own sense of courtesy to wait anyway, especially when there is no real net benefit to me. It. Just. Isn't. Worth. It.

Done here. Good luck to you!

 

[WDSearcher]

No problem. You set the bar really low.

Do you hang around on playgrounds or something?

OK kids ... you're both pretty.



PS. Has the OP ever come back?

 

[KellyNY]

I don't think it's fine. You should have worn velcro, like me. If you take your time to tie your shoes, you are initiating negative reaction from me, so just be considerate to my sensibilities about shoes and you will not bring my negativity to you. You started a chain reaction and it is up to you not to tie your shoes in front of me. Remember, only you can control yourself and whether you need to tie your shoes. You cannot expect me to be understanding if your shoes become untied. There must not be any gaps between you and the person in front of you, no matter what.

How about a better rule than my irrational sensibilities about shoes. How about "if tying your shoes, or teaching your 3 year old to do the same, doesn't delay my entry onto the ride, have at it."

Sure, lets call everyone irrational and cutter just because it is so unusual to move in a continuously moving line. Lets just wait at the entrance, counting appr. time we should board and then just run, not like we loosing time right. And lets make sure to call CM on everyone who does not accomodate our moving style, they just must follow common courtesy and be patient with us, and the world should bent over just for us.

 

[Reddog1134]

Good to see another Jedi DIS'er doing the old, "You didn't see what you saw" mind trick. I could truly care less what you think. I'll still be smiling and walking right past these idiots. I look forward to seeing you in line.

I have really have no problem with stopping to take a picture or walking past someone that has stopped to take a picture. The mentality of the above bolded statement is what really gets me and pushes me towards one side of the argument.

 

[nytimez]

OK kids ... you're both pretty.



PS. Has the OP ever come back?

Awww, now I'm blushing.

Sure, lets call everyone irrational and cutter just because it is so unusual to move in a continuously moving line. Lets just wait at the entrance, counting appr. time we should board and then just run, not like we loosing time right. And lets make sure to call CM on everyone who does not accomodate our moving style, they just must follow common courtesy and be patient with us, and the world should bent over just for us.

I was going to respond. I changed my mind. As Louis Armstrong once said of something else: "Some folks they know, and the others, you can't tell 'em."

 

[Camno's Mama]

I agree 100% but how does one put this in practice? How do you respond to the woman's outburst and anger? I'm just curious about how other people handle these heated situations.

Talking calmly rarely works since the other person is already fired up. Yelling just makes things worse and it's embarrassing to your kids. Calling a CM over seems like overkill. I'm thinking waiting patiently or pointing out the disappearance of the line are really the best actions.

I'm not really sure. I probably would have waited, and felt annoyed. I really don't want to get into it with someone else on vacation. But, I really don't think moving past if things go on for a while is as rude as everyone else seems to think it is.

Honestly, if someone starts yelling and overreacting to a line situation, there's not much you can do. It's not really rational, and I won't answer crazy with more crazy.

I would certainly not involve a CM...they have a job to do that doesn't include playground type disputes. We're adults.

I really think this is a "darned if you do, darned if you don't" thing, based on the length and heat of this thread.

I will say that I have taken pictures in line, and after the first if more are needed, I told people to move ahead. They are always grateful, and they never turn me down.

 

[ccgirl]

Lets use another analogy here. I was at McD's this morning getting my breakfast. I proceeded to the speaker and ordered. I then went ahead a bit but had not reached the first window to pay yet because there was a line. SO, I began counting my change. While counting, the car ahead had moved up leaving me room to get to the first payment window but was still not at the second window. The car behind me actually beeps. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. The car in front of me had not even gotten to the pick up window yet. Should he have just gone around me? He really wasn't moving any quicker. He was just hurrying up to wait. Slow down and enjoy life people.

 

[Kona65]

Okay, this is really all Disney fault. "Fill in all available space" If you can still see concrete under your feet, your not close enough to the person ahead of you. MOVE UP!

 

[mom2rtk]

OK, I just found this thread. I don't have time to read 19 pages, so I skipped from page 1 to 19.

Did I miss anything?