Have questions re: college tuition/loans for DD

WRONG. You never 'caught' me saying I was FINE with it. Nice try. I said it COULD happen not that it would or that I would be FINE with it.

Go ahead and do what you want, but those who have their kids burdened with the enslavement of school loans are doing a horrible 'favor' for their kids.

Agreed.

But you say that you carefully review everything and yet, you cannot even prove Dave Ramsey says what you claim. Yes, it is possible to get some money elsewhere, but he is not anti-FAFSA for anything other than LOANS.

You too can do what you want, but stop parading your idol as something he is not and using that as your "evidence" that the FAFSA is evil. Dave never said that.
 
You are so tempting me to write Dave Ramsey.

He's anti-debt, anti-loan--he is not anti-FAFSA.

He's not even pro-mandate parents pay for it.

You are channeling a person whom would not agree with you. Sorry!

The only thing he religiously proclaims is that one doesn't need a laon to go to college. Nowhere does he say that filling out a FAFSA to get grants or scholarship money is taboo!

You are free to do what you wish. However misusing a financial advice expert's opinion to validate your own thoughts isn't good.

Excellent idea! I just shot him an email. I will update this post if he replies.
 
Actually, that is pretty much everywhere. I wonder if she knows that dealing with that many cash transactions actually puts a flag on her file with the FBI? Banks have to report large cash transactions or series of smaller ones too.

She probalby missed the part where Dave doesn't do this on a regular basis.

I can see the joy in doing it the first time--b/c it might be cool.

But Dave isn't walking around with suitcases full of crisp 100-dollar bills for his personal purchases.:lmao:

I like Dave--I agree with much of what he says, even if I don't follow it all to the letter. But I do know what he says he does and though he "pays cash"--he's not carrying suitcases of cash to his TMM-Live Events to pay the arena bill.
 
I may be wrong, DD's plan was bought in 99 so we didn't have to worry about the differential, can't you purchase the plan without the differential to use at one of the schools where it does not apply? ie UWF or UNF.

I understand why the fee is necessary and that Florida's top universities are still under priced compared to other school but it certainly did cause a huge increase in tution.
It also doesn't include the stupid new fee they were charge begining in Fall 2010. The name escapes me, but it essentially doubles tuition. Aaahhh--TUITION DIFFERENTIAL :scared1:.

I began my son's pre-paid and it is obscene. the differential part of the plan cost more than the tuition part.

I can understand (though disagree) with the schools needing more funds. I do not get why they have this stupid "differential" as a separate charge when you cannot enroll without paying it.:confused3

So that $137--has the potential (though not requirement) to be twice as much in August.

I guess it is a separate fee b/c ti allows the schools to set it to what they like. But our Florida pre-paid plan was under the assumption that the fee in the fall will be equal to the per credit hour charge.
 

I may be wrong, DD's plan was bought in 99 so we didn't have to worry about the differential, can't you purchase the plan without the differential to use at one of the schools where it does not apply? ie UWF or UNF.

I understand why the fee is necessary and that Florida's top universities are still under priced compared to other school but it certainly did cause a huge increase in tution.

My dd's are exempt b/c I purchased prior to 2007 when the diff fee was instituted. They will not have to pay it when they go to college either. For 2007 and later, students will have to.

While UwF and UNF do not require it now, that could change in the next 16 years since the law allows it. I still have issues with paying it and it certainly was an option. But it was a risk I was willing to take at this time.

But I also wouldn't buy a pre-paid plan and limit my kids to only 2 school choices. Since the Florida plan is also useable out of state, it is in our better interest to purchase it for my son with the Diff Fee plan.

For comparison--we are moving ot Virginia and their newborn plan is $400+ per month for 4 years university. Nearly double my son's plan with the Diff Fee plan included.

So it isn't that bad. As I said--i just dont' get why they don't raise tuition since the fee is mandatory should a university implement it. You can't opt out as a new student (except those exempt by having pre-paid plans purchased prior to 2007).
 
I may be wrong, DD's plan was bought in 99 so we didn't have to worry about the differential, can't you purchase the plan without the differential to use at one of the schools where it does not apply? ie UWF or UNF.

I understand why the fee is necessary and that Florida's top universities are still under priced compared to other school but it certainly did cause a huge increase in tution.

My Son is a senior at UNF and had 4 yrs pre-paid, room, tuition and fees. We did not have differential to pay. The plan worked as it was set up to with no problems at all. Daughter starts next year, probably FSU, there is no differential to pay as far as I know. My wife has done a nice job of setting this all up.
 
It gets touted on her like everyone can get in--and it is more realistic to make alternative plans in reality and if reality produces a prodigy who can get a full ride at Harvard, then they can follow that reality.
I preach a three-part plan to my high school seniors:

First, what would you do if you had no restrictions? Even if you don't think you'll be accepted, and even if you're fairly sure you could never afford it . . . imagine you could write your own ticket . . . where would you go to college? Apply there . . . but do so with the understanding that this is your dream school, your stretch school. But TRY. For someone, the planets will align and all things good will come together -- the unlikely admission, the unforeseen scholarship, the parental enthusiasm for moving across the country, etc. You apply to this school knowing that it's more of a dream than a plan, but you don't want to wonder later, "If I'd really tried, could I have gone to ___?"

Second, is the realistic school category. Apply to at least two schools in this category. If you have less than a 3.0 (or if one of those schools is UNC-Wilmington, which is rather irratic in its admissions), make it three schools. These schools should be colleges that are likely to accept you, that you can probably afford, that are a reasonable distance from your home, etc. Do not apply to more than five realistic schools; first, it's expensive. Second, as a high school senior, it's time to make decisions about what's right for you and narrow down your choices. Juniors should spread their nets far and wide to look for options; seniors should develop a list of criteria, and with their parents' guidance settle on a few good choices. Know that you'll probably end up choosing one of these schools.

Finally, have in mind a safety net. Suppose everything in your world suddenly goes wrong. What could you do COMPLETELY ON YOUR OWN to START college? If something bad happened to your parents -- say, one of them looses a job and your house burns down -- and suddenly they can no longer help you financially. AND suppose you were a little generous in assuming that those other colleges would accept you . . . in short, if EVERYTHING in your life suddenly went wrong senior year, what could you do? Over the years I've had a couple students faced with these situations. I specifically remember one top-of-the-class girl who had to give up a Parks Scholarship to NC State because she was having twins; she ended up staying home and going to community college. I remember another girl who developed a rare form of cancer during her senior year, which dashed her plans of going out of state to college. She stayed home to get the necessary treatments and so that her parents could help her, and she attended the major university near us on a half-time basis. Keep in mind that you probably won't USE this safety-net plan, but SOMEONE'S life will fall apart unexpectedly senior year, and IF you have a "what if" plan in place, it makes the difficulties a little easier to manage.
It is one thing to not want to pay for your child's college. I don't begrudge anyone who by circumstance or personal work ethic opt to not pay for it.

It's another thing to hold your child hostage by withoutholding Tax information that prohibits them from filling out the FAFSA.
This makes perfect sense to me. I know people who -- although they certainly COULD help their children with college -- choose not to do do so. Some of them have the idea that children don't appreciate things for which they don't pay. Others say, "I did it myself, and he can too." I don't buy into this concept, but I know plenty of people who feel this way.

But I cannot understand purposefully making it harder for your child to make it on her own. I've said before that my mother did this to me (not refusing to complete the FAFSA, but purposefully waiting until the very last minute, knowing that certain monies would be exhausted by that point), and I am still resentful. I knew full well that my parents didn't have money to pay for college, and I didn't have a problem with that -- but they did throw obstacles in my way, and they made the road harder for me than it had to be.
Don't forget work study!
Work study is a good and bad thing. Typically students work in an office on campus -- often your own major, which gives you a chance to get to know the professors.

It's good in that the work is super-flexible: Perhaps two hours on MWF between classes, then five hours on Tuesday afternoon when you have no classes, and they understand that you have to change your schedule every semester. And you don't need a car to get to your work study job, which is a huge savings. On the negative side, it pays minimum wage. You could have the job for four years of college, and you'd never get a raise. Also, you're told how many hours you can work each semester.

Personally, I think work study is great for a freshman -- but an older student can probably do better with an off-campus job.

And what's the ONLY way to get work study? FAFSA.
 
DD is a freshman this year and before she even got into HS we asked several friends what to do to get more money for college. I will pass this info on. Not saying we have done it, but it is all legal I believe.
A friend whose son is a high school senior right now gave us an idea about paying for college. I'm not sure if we'll use it or not, but it does seem logical:

They have the money on hand to pay for their son's college expenses, but they're going to have him take out student loans for the total amount of his freshman year. Next May -- after he completes his freshman year -- they'll pay off the first year's loan. This'll be well before the loan comes due, so no interest will have accrued and there'll be no cost (to anyone).

What do they get out of this round-about method? First, he will have "paid off" a loan, and it'll build credit in his name. They'll gain a small amount in interest because they'll keep their money an extra year. Second, if he starts to think about quitting school, he'll stop and think about it because their offer to pay off the loan is contingent upon him completing the academic year successfully. If he drops out or fails out, it's his financial responsibility.

Then they'll repeat the process sophomore year, etc. etc.

It does make sense, but I don't know whether we'll follow suit or not. I am very against student loans, but this wouldn't really be borrowing in the traditional sense. It'd be more like postponing payment (because we do have the money).

We are planning on doing something like this if all goes well. We have money set aside in younger DS's name for DD. We are having DD take out loans and if she doesn't need to use the money we have set aside it will go toward her paying off the loans. Now it is not enough to pay off 4 year's worth, but should pay off about 2 and possibly more if we can get a decent interest rate on CD's, she works hard over the summers and can pay some of her tuition without dipping into it.
 
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Personally, I think work study is great for a freshman -- but an older student can probably do better with an off-campus job.

And what's the ONLY way to get work study? FAFSA.

That depends on where the campus is located. Where I went to school no car meant no job. My parents would not fill out the FAFSA because they assumed we wouldn't qualify for (and didn't need) financial aide. Unfortunately that meant I washed a lot of dishes in college because it was the ONLY job I could get on campus without work study. With no car, on campus was IT. I actually got offered other jobs, they just couldn't give them to me once they discovered I didn't have work study.
 
Where I went to school no car meant no job.
I know I said I was done with this thread, but I got an email today about this. A $400 car for a college student is perfectly adequate to get back and forth to a job. Someone who starts babysitting as a teen can have a lot more than $400 for a car and still cover gas and insurance.

Anyway, Dave Ramsey had an article today about negotiating and the power of cash that I talked about upthread.

http://www.daveramsey.com/article/h...andmoney_budgeting/?ectid=cnl.extra.031210_05

Dave has found that win-win deals really work, so don’t be afraid to ask for a deal. And learn how to use the power of cash. Cash is emotional, visual and has immediacy, so use it to your advantage!
And if you notice in the comments, people have gotten deals at even car dealers by using CASH.
 
I know I said I was done with this thread, but I got an email today about this. A $400 car for a college student is perfectly adequate to get back and forth to a job. Someone who starts babysitting as a teen can have a lot more than $400 for a car and still cover gas and insurance.

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I started babysitting at 12 and working at 15. Even making 50 cents an hour, then $1.51 minimum wage, I had a lot more than $400 when I went off to college. However, I spent it on TUITION. Sorry - there's no way a 10cent an hour raise I might have gotten each year working off campus would have made it worth the costs of me having a car. Part time jobs in my reality don't give raises like you seem to think they do.

Sure, if I'd gotten a waitressing job working a good shift 20 hours a week. But I went through college in 3 years to save money so that just wasn't possible. My parents would have cut off my funding if I went out and bought a car rather than using my money to help with costs. That would have cost me a heck of a lot of support!

I feel the same way about it my parents did. I don't WANT my child working the kind of job or hours during college that will bring in significant money. However, I will expect them to be putting what they earn into their costs - not buying things like cars.
 
I know I said I was done with this thread, but I got an email today about this. A $400 car for a college student is perfectly adequate to get back and forth to a job. Someone who starts babysitting as a teen can have a lot more than $400 for a car and still cover gas and insurance.

Anyway, Dave Ramsey had an article today about negotiating and the power of cash that I talked about upthread.

http://www.daveramsey.com/article/h...andmoney_budgeting/?ectid=cnl.extra.031210_05

And if you notice in the comments, people have gotten deals at even car dealers by using CASH.
The $400 car route is okay for a person who is okay with a fixer-upper car and who can do the work himself. My brother owns a bunch of cars, not all of which work all the time, and he enjoys working on them (no labor costs). He also enjoys searching for them and trying to get the best deal -- he considers this A HOBBY. An expensive hobby. I seriously doubt any of his cars actually cost as little as $400. A $400 car is going to have some serious problems; it's going to need tires or brake work or something significant -- it's going to be a car that's going to keep on costing, and it's going to be a car that's going to let you down. Repeatedly.

Most of us do not enjoy aquiring junker cars and keeping them running, especially during our college years. My oldest daughter is in the process of choosing a college right now. She will probably go 2-4 hours away from home. I do not want to send her in a $400 car. I do not want to think about her making a 2-4 hour drive home late on a Friday night after classes and breaking down on the interstate. I do not want to worry about whether she can get to the hospital for student nursing; I do not want her losing points on her grade because her transportation let her down.

I'm not talking about buying a car for the status or the bells and whistles; I'm talking about safety.

Instead, we will be buying her something basic and reliable. Cost IS an issue, of course, but it is secondary to her safety. Right now, while she's in high school, we're letting her drive an old-old SUV (big and safe) that we have owned for years -- it's probably about a $1000 car, and it's a fine knock-about-town car for a high school student, but I wouldn't let her take it on a trip anywhere. It's on its last legs. If she breaks down in that right now, she's close to home. If it goes into the shop for a couple days, no big loss -- she rides to school with me anyway, and she doesn't have a job. College is not the same.

Also, you're dead wrong on dealers wanting cash. What they want is to confuse the buyer by throwing around lots of different numbers (never, ever total price; rather, monthly payment . . . oh, and of course there are taxes, tags, etc.) They want to make more money on both the sale AND the financing.
I started babysitting at 12 and working at 15. Even making 50 cents an hour, then $1.51 minimum wage, I had a lot more than $400 when I went off to college. However, I spent it on TUITION. Sorry - there's no way a 10cent an hour raise I might have gotten each year working off campus would have made it worth the costs of me having a car. Part time jobs in my reality don't give raises like you seem to think they do.
My experience was similar. I had babysitting jobs, but I didn't make much money. And today's considerably different: When I was a kid, the typical thing was that moms stayed home, and parents went out on dates to have alone-time on Friday nights. Today moms work, and families go out together on Friday nights. My daugthers WANT babysitting jobs, but they don't get many. I myself only used a babysitter a handful of times.

And, yes, my expectations for my daughters are similar to yours: Right now in high school their JOB is earning grades and working towards college and scholarships. I expect them to be kids right now while they can -- they'll never have another chance. I want them to go to summer camp, take part in activities at school, and do other kid things. My oldest is dead-set on having a part-time job next fall, and we're going to allow her to do that as long as her grades stay good. BUT I expect school to remain her #1 job, and that means she won't be working a great number of hours.

Once they're in college and are older and able to manage more, we'll continue to provide their basics, but we expect them to work for their own spending money. If they have time (during the school year) to work enough hours to save for a car, then I'd rather see that time spent on taking one more class.
 
Your daughter will have to take out the loans herself or she will need to look into a more affordable state school. It's upsetting to want something and have it seem unattainable...but life isn't fair. I had my heart set on a private university, I realized how unreal the cost was going to be and I went to a top public university in the state and received an excellent education on a gorgeous campus and my 4 years including housing cost about the same as one year at a private school.
 
Your daughter will have to take out the loans herself or she will need to look into a more affordable state school. It's upsetting to want something and have it seem unattainable...but life isn't fair. I had my heart set on a private university, I realized how unreal the cost was going to be and I went to a top public university in the state and received an excellent education on a gorgeous campus and my 4 years including housing cost about the same as one year at a private school.

Did you apply to the private school?
 
Because, first, people wrongly assume that anything done in a community college automatically transfers to a 4 year school and often going this route costs MORE then just going directly to a 4 year school. Second, there is a lot more to learn in college then what you get in class and by sending kids to a community college vs away for school deprives them of learning those lessons-mainly deprives them of growing up sooner rather then later. Third, the quality of classes at community colleges just doesn't compare to those at most 4 year colleges and that alone is worth not going that route. Having your children grow up with their only choice is to go to a community college for 2 years and then on to a 4 year school puts them in that mind frame. Why make this choice before the time comes? Present it as a POSSIBILITY as well as other options but not THE ONLY option as she is stating.

Suze Orman is a dork, BTW--sure fire way NOT to ever retire-but I agree that funding a retirement plan is much more important then funding college.

You're right, in part. The poster would do well to keep all of the options open.

However, you're wrong in other ways. I teach English at a cc although I went to an excellent private, four-year school (so I know the difference). While the scenarios you outline here may happen to students (not learning life lessons at a cc, getting weak teachers), they are not guaranteed to happen. Many students come out of our cc and end up on scholarships to the state schools or, occasionally, to a private or out-of-state school. Students can certainly gain an excellent education and "grow up" while here (depending on their home situation). Likewise, many students go away to school and don't grow up at all! They waste money, party hard, and drop out--ending up back at our cc.

I know your intent to was encourage the poster to 'aim high' and I applaud that, but cc's are not the ghetto of education you make them seem to be.
 
Did you apply to the private school?

Yes. I had great grades, was in the top ten of my class...but my hight school is ranked in the bottom of the state...they offer no honors classes and no extra curriculars except for a few sports so I guess besides my grades and volunteer work, I wasn't very exciting to a competitive private school (NYU). My aid package was a pittiance and I would be underwater in debt right now. I would have been a music business major.
 
Yes. I had great grades, was in the top ten of my class...but my hight school is ranked in the bottom of the state...they offer no honors classes and no extra curriculars except for a few sports so I guess besides my grades and volunteer work, I wasn't very exciting to a competitive private school (NYU). My aid package was a pittiance and I would be underwater in debt right now. I would have been a music business major.

Don't take it personally! NYU is notorious for "gapping", i.e., they do not meet all of an applicant's financial need. Plus besides the high cost of NYU, the cost of living in NYC is obviously very high (we live right outside the city and my dd has a few friends at NYU).
:)
 
Yes. I had great grades, was in the top ten of my class...but my hight school is ranked in the bottom of the state...they offer no honors classes and no extra curriculars except for a few sports so I guess besides my grades and volunteer work, I wasn't very exciting to a competitive private school (NYU). My aid package was a pittiance and I would be underwater in debt right now. I would have been a music business major.

NYU has a reputation for not being very generous with financial aid.
 

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