hats.

[crazytp93]

As a sign of respect, yes.

 

[Vannah]

Baseball hat, yes.
Other type of hat, most likely not.
Mainly because other types of hats are sometimes harder to put on.

 

[Sparx]

i honestly remember the last time i was actually at an event where the national anthem/pledge of allegiance was said/sang.

 

[imabrat]

We say the pledge of allegiance every day, preceeded by a moment of silence for those who serve and have served our nation. The national anthem is played at every game, pep rally, etc.

 

[Sparx]

We say the pledge of allegiance every day, preceeded by a moment of silence for those who serve and have served our nation. The national anthem is played at every game, pep rally, etc.

we stopped saying the pledge in like the 4th grade.

 

[KidGoofy]

Yes I do...for all hats. But when they say it they do say "caps" so I don't think those type of hats are necessary. But it is a sign of respect in our country just like the hand shake or in Asia where they bow.

 

[HSMndLKfan92]

do you take your hat off for the national anthem?

i don't. and apparently on the cb that's enough to get me crucified and exiled, for being disrespectful to my country. who knew? lol.

but really. do you take your hat off for the national anthem?

yes, i do 99% of the time. except if i'm ever in marching band uniform. the hats are a part of the uniform and therefore acceptable to keep on.

i'm also one of those people who find it highly disrespectful to not take off a hat during the anthem. i mean, i won't go throwing stones at everyone i see, but it truly pisses me off.

 

[BabyPiglet]

I just think that people shouldn't be made to do things they don't believe in, just because that's how things are done. I, personally, need a good reason to do something. That's who I am.

And Kelsi, I've been to many funerals, and that happens during all of them. My dad was in the military for a long time. It's not like I haven't been exposed to those type of things, I just don't see a good reason to take off my hat.

I put my hand on my heart during the pledge of alliegance because it means something to me. I smile and pay my respects to people I see who are in the military. I do all these things to show my love for this country. Taking a hat of does not equal respect to me. Not today.

That said, I don't have a problem with other people doing it.

 

[imabrat]

I just don't get why people don't believe in it because it's "outdated". You know what's outdated? Religion, the concept of paper money, etc etc. These are all "out dated", yet everyone still uses them. I don't get why you can't show respect for two minutes of your day to show RESPECT for those who guard YOUR life! You're gonna have to give me a better excuse than outdated.

 

[cindys_castle2011]

I just think that people shouldn't be made to do things they don't believe in, just because that's how things are done. I, personally, need a good reason to do something. That's who I am.

And Kelsi, I've been to many funerals, and that happens during all of them. My dad was in the military for a long time. It's not like I haven't been exposed to those type of things, I just don't see a good reason to take off my hat.

I put my hand on my heart during the pledge of alliegance because it means something to me. I smile and pay my respects to people I see who are in the military. I do all these things to show my love for this country. Taking a hat of does not equal respect to me. Not today.

That said, I don't have a problem with other people doing it.

Nobody's making anybody do anything. Not everyone takes off their hat. It's a sign of respect towards YOUR freedom and the women and men that are making that freedom possible.

The least people can do is take off a hat for a 3-5 minute song. And not just any song. A song about OUR coutry. A song written for our freedom. That's a reason good enough for me.

I just don't get why people don't believe in it because it's "outdated". You know what's outdated? Religion, the concept of paper money, etc etc. These are all "out dated", yet everyone still uses them. I don't get why you can't show respect for two minutes of your day to show RESPECT for those who guard YOUR life! You're gonna have to give me a better excuse than outdated.

Agreed.

 

[WDWtraveler27]

Nobody's making anybody do anything. Not everyone takes off their hat. It's a sign of respect towards YOUR freedom and the women and men that are making that freedom possible.

The least people can do is take off a hat for a 3-5 minute song. And not just any song. A song about OUR coutry. A song written for our freedom. That's a reason good enough for me.



Agreed.

I also agree

 

[GirlWithSpunk]

This is getting intense!

 

[BabyPiglet]

Why? Why does taking a hat off show respect? Why does everyone have to do it? Why is it anymore respectful than volunteering at a veterans hospital, saying thank you whenever you see a soldier and having a conversation with them, putting your hand on your heart during the pledge, etc. These are things that mean something real and symbolize patriotism to me.

I don't blindly follow or believe in anything. I have to know why I'm doing something, and it has to mean something to me.

 

[Sparx]

Why? Why does taking a hat off show respect? Why does everyone have to do it? Why is it anymore respectful than volunteering at a veterans hospital, saying thank you whenever you see a soldier and having a conversation with them, putting your hand on your heart during the pledge, etc. These are things that mean something real and symbolize patriotism to me.

I don't blindly follow or believe in anything. I have to know why I'm doing something, and it has to mean something to me.

hats aren't "supposed" to be worn in church either. i don't really understand the tradition.

i just did some googling and found all of this:

Emily Post's 1922 etiquette book said that ladies do not remove their hats, men do. the national flag etiquette book agrees that the only time a lady must remove her hat is if it blocks the view of the person behind her.

i also read that women are not expected to remove hats becuase hair is viewed as a "beauty point" and to "flaunt" it during the national anthem is disrespectful. this is similar to islamic head scarfs and bonnets, women without head coverings are immodest.

i've also read that in the working class the hats that were worn were often "dirty" and used for protection from the sun during manual labor, so they weren't exactly proper to be worn inside a building like a church.

so, on all three counts it seems pretty old fashioned to me. why isn't the hand over the heart suitable?

 

[BabyPiglet]

hats aren't "supposed" to be worn in church either. i don't really understand the tradition.

i just did some googling and found all of this:

Emily Post's 1922 etiquette book said that ladies do not remove their hats, men do. the national flag etiquette book agrees that the only time a lady must remove her hat is if it blocks the view of the person behind her.

i also read that women are not expected to remove hats becuase hair is viewed as a "beauty point" and to "flaunt" it during the national anthem is disrespectful. this is similar to islamic head scarfs and bonnets, women without head coverings are immodest.

i've also read that in the working class the hats that were worn were often "dirty" and used for protection from the sun during manual labor, so they weren't exactly proper to be worn inside a building like a church.

so, on all three counts it seems pretty old fashioned to me. why isn't the hand over the heart suitable?

The key word there would be 1922. That was almost 90 years ago. Etiquette and social norms have had basically a revolution since then. There are not many things that were happening in the 20s that are still pertinent today.

That we still follow this outdated tradition absolutely boggles me.

 

[imabrat]

Why? Why does taking a hat off show respect? Why does everyone have to do it? Why is it anymore respectful than volunteering at a veterans hospital, saying thank you whenever you see a soldier and having a conversation with them, putting your hand on your heart during the pledge, etc. These are things that mean something real and symbolize patriotism to me.

I don't blindly follow or believe in anything. I have to know why I'm doing something, and it has to mean something to me.

Taking your hat off started in the Middle Ages. Well, then it was a cover. Hats and covers signified dominance. When you removed the hat, it meant subservience to something superior. When you take your hat off during the anthem, it means you are respecting and grateful for how the nation has kept you safe. When you take a hat off in a church, it means you are bowing down to God and his power. This is also how you got the phrase "my hat's off to him".

No one's blindly following anything, this is legit.

 

[Sparx]

Taking your hat off started in the Middle Ages. Well, then it was a cover. Hats and covers signified dominance. When you removed the hat, it meant subservience to something superior. When you take your hat off during the anthem, it means you are respecting and grateful for how the nation has kept you safe. When you take a hat off in a church, it means you are bowing down to God and his power. This is also how you got the phrase "my hat's off to him".

No one's blindly following anything, this is legit.

i really doubt most people know the real reasoning behind it, becuase i didn't until i started researching it. i really feel like most people just do it because its what they're "supposed" to do and they can become ostracized if they don't comply.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Taking your hat off started in the Middle Ages. Well, then it was a cover. Hats and covers signified dominance. When you removed the hat, it meant subservience to something superior. When you take your hat off during the anthem, it means you are respecting and grateful for how the nation has kept you safe. When you take a hat off in a church, it means you are bowing down to God and his power. This is also how you got the phrase "my hat's off to him".

No one's blindly following anything, this is legit.

I'm not saying everyone follows it blindly, I'm saying since it doesn't mean anything to ME, if I followed it then I would be following it for no reason.

And...

i really doubt most people know the real reasoning behind it, becuase i didn't until i started researching it. i really feel like most people just do it because its what they're "supposed" to do and they can become ostracized if they don't comply.

I agree with this.

Like I said before, that might be why people took their hats off in the 'Middle Ages'. But today, hats don't mean dominance. Therefore, taking my hat off does not translate to respect to ME. What happened to not forcing your beliefs on others?

 

[imabrat]

The blind statement, I took it as everyone's doing it just because someone else is. No, everyone's doing it because they know it means respect. How that means respect is what people don't know.

It doesn't matter what hats mean nowadays, it's just tradition. If you don't want to follow tradition, fine make that choice because you are allowed to. But if you choose to snub tradition in a setting that believes in it, don't get mad when you're ostracized.

OT: And the whole "it doesn't mean anything to me" thing we discussed in class the other day. I think it's rather narrowminded and selfish to snub something because it doesn't mean anything to you. But again, that's JMO.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Why does that make me (or people like me) narrowminded and selfish? If I did it just because other people do it, that would mean I was being fake and lying to myself and others. How is that better than following my mind and beliefs?