Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[6_Time_Momma]

Neither person asked what anyone else would do in their situation and to tell people that their doctors are just using "scare" tactic to get them to abort does seem rather insensitive to say the least JMHO.

Hmmmm.....I didn't see the post where they were told the doctors were using scare tactics. I'll have to try and sift through and find that.

And see my above (edited) post. It doesn't matter if they asked or not. The old adage of putting info out on a public board opens it up for comments.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Correct me if I am wrong, but your health was fine in this situation?

Point being, people will comment on what they would do in any situation. Are you saying because the posters health was in question makes a difference on whether we should be allowed to comment?

 

[chobie]

Point being, people will comment on what they would do in any situation. Are you saying because the posters health was in question makes a difference on whether we should be allowed to comment?

No you should be allowed to post whatever you want just as others can post they think a post was insensitive.

 

[chobie]

I can see where she would make the decision she did, however if I were in the situation, I can answer I would do things differently. The doctors did not tell her she would die. They said her life was at risk. Obviously, that would scare most people into choosing abortion.

Persoanlly, I would seek out the advice of a high risk perinatologist. I would take complications as they came and deal with them. I would hopefully be able to carry to 24-25 weeks and then deliver if need be. If there came a point, where my life was imminently in danger, then at that point, I would do what needed to be done to save my life, but only when I was in imminent danger.

This was the post I was referring to. Yes, it bothered me. Yes, you had a right to post it.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

No you should be allowed to post whatever you want just as others can post they think a post was insensitive.

Allright. I'll end now as I think the dead horse is pretty much a bloody pulp now.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

I saw a lot of those pictures years ago, before the internet. I have also seen a video of an abortion. I also agree that if the mother's life isn't in danger like Totalia and Jenny's situations, I think they should show these images to women. Not as a scare tactic but for educational reasons. I knew quite a few girls in high school (this was only 5 years ago) that thought an abortion was a pill that you took. They didn't realize that it was an envasive procedure. They make us see videos of childbirth, which is supposed to be more deadlly than abortions, right? I also disagree with protesters. I think they are aweful. Even the most pro-life people in my family think that they are horrible. I mean gee, there's a concept, let's bomb a clinic and kill everyone in it when we're against murder...


PS let's try to kepp the rest of this thread nice, since the other one was closed. Spread

If you stop complaining about the threads then they won't get closed. Sometimes I think that people complain because they only want their side to be allowed to have a voice.

I do definitely agree that a lot of the protesters seem unstable. Doesn't Jesus tell you to love and forgive everyone? If so, then I just don't get a lot of the attitudes.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I do definitely agree that a lot of the protesters seem unstable.

This statement actually made me spit pop out as I cracked up laughing. Hmmmm.

Doesn't Jesus tell you to love and forgive everyone?

And being against abortion has nothing to do with not loving or forgiving someone, so I am not sure what you mean by this comment.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

This statement actually made me spit pop out as I cracked up laughing. Hmmmm.



And being against abortion has nothing to do with not loving or forgiving someone, so I am not sure what you mean by this comment.

I don't know, what kind of person goes around carrying bizarre pictures and waving them in people's faces, and grabbing women's arms? Not someone I would want any children to be around.

I don't belive that being anti-abortion is going to buy you, or anyone a ticket into heaven either. If there is a God, I prefer to leave the judging up to her/him.

 

[chobie]

I don't know, what kind of person goes around carrying bizarre pictures and waving them in people's faces, and grabbing women's arms? Not someone I would want any children to be around.

I don't belive that being anti-abortion is going to buy you, or anyone a ticket into heaven either. If there is a God, I prefer to leave the judging up to her/him.

Yes and I also prefer to leave the medical opinions up to the doctors.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Yes and I also prefer to leave the medical opinions up to the doctors.

LOL! I don't know....I've experienced some pretty rotten doctors! Nurses, on the other hand...

 

[MrsKreamer]

I don't know, what kind of person goes around carrying bizarre pictures

I thought it was just a clump of cells...or a parasite....why is that bizarre.

 

[chobie]

I thought it was just a clump of cells...or a parasite....why is that bizarre.

It's not bizarre at all, I often go around shoving pictures of lichens and tapeworms at people.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

I thought it was just a clump of cells...or a parasite....why is that bizarre.

I find the attempt to intimidate the bizarre part. Why not leave it up to their God to do the judging? I would not want a God that believed that moralizing, bullying, and harassing are positive actions. If he says thats okay, than I don't want any part of it!

Thats about all I can say. Just let your true conscience be your guide. Try not to bully or control others in the process. I bid you PEACE!

 

[MrsKreamer]

I find the attempt to intimidate the bizarre part. Why not leave it up to their God to do the judging? I would not want a God that believed that moralizing, bullying, and harassing are positive actions. If he says thats okay, than I don't want any part of it!

Thats about all I can say. Just let your true conscience be your guide. Try not to bully or control others in the process. I bid you PEACE!

I truley agree with you here. I don't think we should judge anyone.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Just to let everyone know,I had the procedure today. I was shaking and crying so they sedated me and I didn;t feel much.I'm Ok,but I'm going to crawl into bed for a while with my cats

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Where do these people get the pictures? What stage of the pregnancy are the pictures form? Do they have the woman's permission to use the pictures? Do they get them off of the internet?

If they are going to use pictures, shouldn't they provide some background information? It just sounds like a scare tactic to me.

Well, I don't know the answer to that...but the stages of life from conception to full-term delivery are well documented. It doesn't take a rocket science to compare a pic of an aborted fetus with "authentic" pictures of a still in gestation fetus of the same age. Unless you think that biology classes have been lying for years on this.

As far as the material--I don't know how they got it. Are you suggesting they sneak into clinics and photograph the aborted fetuses? Regardless of how they got them---it doesn't dispute the fact that the fetus develops while in gestation and acquires the features depicted in the photographs.

(ETA: General Statement coming--you doesn't reference anyone in particular--especially whom I quoted)
I mean "if it's your body" and you elected to have a parasite removed--what did the documentation say that you signed when you had the abortion? I'm sure most women who seek abortions don't wish to keep the remains of the abortion and whomever performed the abortion then owns the material. For the sake of science I am sure that someone with good intention (meaning, on the side of abortion) took the photos that are now in the hands of pro-lifers.


These pics are no more of a scare tactic that war photos used to defeat public opinion towards war. It's a fact. Whether you know the source of it or not--it is what it looks like. It isn't photo-shopped, it's real. It isn't pretty and it isn't meant to be pretty. To claim that they are showing fabricated images is rediculous....b/c then you've pretty much disputed the developmental process of the fetus from zygote to baby of which there is plenty of scientific documentation.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Well, I don't know the answer to that...but the stages of life from conception to full-term delivery are well documented. It doesn't take a rocket science to compare a pic of an aborted fetus with "authentic" pictures of a still in gestation fetus of the same age. Unless you think that biology classes have been lying for years on this.

As far as the material--I don't know how they got it. Are you suggesting they sneak into clinics and photograph the aborted fetuses? Regardless of how they got them---it doesn't dispute the fact that the fetus develops while in gestation and acquires the features depicted in the photographs.

I mean "if it's your body" and you elected to have a parasite removed--what did the documentation say that you signed when you had the abortion? I'm sure most women who seek abortions don't wish to keep the remains of the abortion and whomever performed the abortion then owns the material. For the sake of science I am sure that someone with good intention (meaning, on the side of abortion) took the photos that are now in the hands of pro-lifers.


These pics are no more of a scare tactic that war photos used to defeat public opinion towards war. It's a fact. Whether you know the source of it or not--it is what it looks like. It isn't photo-shopped, it's real. It isn't pretty and it isn't meant to be pretty. To claim that they are showing fabricated images is rediculous....b/c then you've pretty much disputed the developmental process of the fetus from zygote to baby of which there is plenty of scientific documentation.

Very well put.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

As to the pictures of the allegedly "aborted" fetuses, you summed it up quite well, thank you.

Honest question--not a flame, b/c I understand the "scare" portion of everyone's statements...it's the fabrication insinuations that are troubling.


So what exactly would these photos be of then if they weren't an aborted fetus?

Does it look too baby-like to be a clump of cells, or are you implying that it was perhaps a miscarried fetus/baby and not an aborted one?

I've been seeing photos--yes real photos of gestated babies for years...I find it fascinating of what happens from conception to blastoma (okay--slaughtered that word) to zygote..to tadpole, to teeny baby looking thing, to growing baby looking thing et cetera.

Well documented from sperm entering the egg to fertilize up to delivery on what a human looks like from start to finish and all stages in between (embryo, fetus).

What do you think the photos really are if not an aborted fetus?

 

[chobie]

Just to let everyone know,I had the procedure today. I was shaking and crying so they sedated me and I didn;t feel much.I'm Ok,but I'm going to crawl into bed for a while with my cats

I'm glad it's over and I hope you feel well soon. Keep advocating for the insurance coverage.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Those are my concerns too, Minnie.

And I'm absolutely certain they are used as a scare tactic. They are not used to educate, they are used to terrorize.

Only to terrorize when in the hands of an idiot who thinks that yellow and frightening women as has been described repeatedly on this thread.

Outside of that--it is to educate. Some women don't know what they are aborting and follow blindly the thought they they are getting rid of a clump of cells. They don't realize how human that clump of cells really looks. If you can look at the pic (or your ultrasound) and still abort...then so be it. It is those who have no idea what they are aborting that is troubling.

Think about this--people supported the Vietnam War--until it became the first "televised" war in history as recorded images were shown on the news each night...that had never happened before. The average person saw what war was really like....then public opinion changed. It was terrible for the Vets b/c as they came home they were personally held accountable for carrying out their missions with good intention.

Everyone says we should be open minded about the legality of abortion--planned parenthood is there to help young women. To not educate them on what is inside their body when they are pregnant and seeking abortion is terrible. Women should be fully informed so that they can make a full and complete decision with all of the information. Since PP doesn't tell them....the pro-lifers do. And some share those images in a good way, and not a terrorizing way.