Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[elliemae1192]

I certainly don't expect anyone to agree with me. And, I don't ever expect abortion to be completley illegal. But, I do have hopes that someday, there will be extreme limitations.

But see, that's the thing, who would get to decide? What if their idea of necessary doesn't match yours? Making it illegal would not stop it. People who could afford to go to other countries would do so. People who couldn't would die. There would always be back alley butchers who would be happy to perform the service. Putting "extreme limitations" on abortion woud only penalize the poor IMO.

See, while I have never had one and couldn't see myself doing so unless conditions were extreme, I feel better knowing that if I were ever in Jenny's situation, I would have a choice.

How can anyone tell her that she should choose to go through with this pregnancy when she has 4 beautiful children at home who need her to be there as long a possible.

I could see myself taking my chances if it were my first child, but the three children I have will ALWAYS come first and if having another would possibly take me away from them, I would make the choice I felt was best for me and my family. See, that's what pro-choice is about, being able to choose what's right for YOU.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

See that's the thing. That would be your choice to make. Jenny made a different choice.

And, unfortunately, people with completely healthy pregnancies are currently allowed that choice as well.

 

[elliemae1192]

That is true, but I really think that with this issue it would have to be all or nothing. Kindof like with free speech. You can't take away only what you don't like.
I totally respect pro-lifer's right to have their own opinion but half of the population of this country has a different opinion to which they also have a right.

 

[GEM]

And, unfortunately, people with completely healthy pregnancies are currently allowed that choice as well.

Thank goodness for that. Now we just need to make sure we do everything we can to protect that right - for every woman to make their own choice.

 

[auntpolly]

Sarcasm doesn't become you AP. Sometimes its the young who lead us old fogeys in the way to go. Wisdom isn't always earned.

Oh, I think I'm quite becoming but sorry you don't agree .

You don't "earn" my respect by insulting people and acting like a know it all because you just took Bio 101. But if that's what does it for you - different strokes.

My DD is a college students who knows how to hold her own in a debate without at everyone's opinions. It's possible.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Late on this one...I just wanted to say Babar, you are a wonderful friend.
Jenny, you are a courageous woman. I pray for you, your health and the decisions you have to make.

For those Christians who feel it is their job to judge. Really, really think about What Would Jesus Do? Would he weep over the lost children? Yes. But would he be protesting outside of clinics? No. Would he be helping to educate others? Yes. Would he hold a friend's hand during a time of need? Yes. He would not be blaming the ills of a nation on the fact that abortion is legal. He would not sarcastically say that he was praying for others souls. Love, not hate, is the answer.

 

[Crankyshank]

Thank goodness for that. Now we just need to make sure we do everything we can to protect that right - for every woman to make their own choice.

 

[snoopy]

And, unfortunately, people with completely healthy pregnancies are currently allowed that choice as well.

Yup, they are allowed access to a safe abortion.

Without it, we'd still have abortions for the rich, and either back alley abortions or countless truly unwanted pregnancies for the poor. And what impact that would have on the lives and aspirations and hopes of millions of women. The right to life argument always seems like lip service to me. We care so much about these unborn babies, yet where is the solution to caring for them once they are born?

 

[chobie]

my mother had to make that choice with me--40 years ago and choose me-

thankfully we both survived.

after giving birth to 3 bueatiful and healthy children along with mourning 2 miscarriages.

i would never be FORCED to die for my unborn- I pray i would do it willingly- the same way i would give my life for any of my 3 other children.

God willing I would never have to face that horrible situation-
but that unborn childs only chance for life would be ME- its mother-
He will NEVER have another chance at living-
and i do not value my life as worth more than my childs- quite the opposite- i've lived and enjoyed life that child hasn't

if i died my other childrens would be able to survive with out me

That's easy to say when you are not the one who has been given the death sentence.

 

[disney4us2002]

Just curious Jenny when you have surgery, will you also have a tubal or hysterectomy? Someone with your obviously serious health conditions would be better off not having an accidental pg. I'm rather surprised that a tubal wasn't done with your last pg since you said that was when you were diagnosed with AIDS. Good luck to you.

I believe life begins at conception. For me there is no choice. The only other thing I wish to add is that I think there is a big difference between bc/preventing life and abortion. (Someone a few pages ago posted is was practically the same thing.) Dh had a vasectomy to prevent an accidental pg. We carefully weighed our options and decided to take this action after deciding three children were enough for us. Between the three kids I used the pill. I would not consider the IUD because my ob/gyn explained that the iud prevents pg by expelling a fertilized egg from the womb. That was unacceptable to us. If we would've gotten pg on the pill, the timing wouldn't have been great but we would've had the baby. Every embryo produces a unique person. I believe that because I have three very different children. I believe that if I'd become pg a month before or after I did, I would have a different child. That is how I feel about it. I do not protest but I do mourn for the 1,000,000+ abortions that occur every year. How very sad.

 

[chobie]

Yes, I do, but thanks for asking. I also know cardiac arrest could happen any time, not just during pregnancy. I also know many women with cardiomyopathy have had healthy pregnancies.



Yup, understand that, too, thanks. Been there myself when I became pregnant one week after stopping a course of Accutane.

I certainly don't expect anyone to agree with me. And, I don't ever expect abortion to be completley illegal. But, I do have hopes that someday, there will be extreme limitations.

And if Jenny's case does not fit your idea of extreme limitations, what would fit your definition?

To say that anyone can have cardiac arrest and therefore we can all know what it feels like to be in a life or death situation is just so outrageously callous. How can a person say that and not feel ashamed is beyond me.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Just curious Jenny when you have surgery, will you also have a tubal or hysterectomy? Someone with your obviously serious health conditions would be better off not having an accidental pg. I'm rather surprised that a tubal wasn't done with your last pg since you said that was when you were diagnosed with AIDS. Good luck to you.

I believe life begins at conception. For me there is no choice.

It;s not automatic to give a woman with AIDS a tubal..women with AIDS have healthy babies all the time.. Once the Cardiomyopathy developed I chose not to have a tubal...There were risks associated with the surgery.. NO I won't have one now.. Ed will have the Vasectomy that he has had planned for months now.
At some point I probably will have a Hysterectomy as I have had cervical dysplaysia for years now..It's a catch 22..Women with AIDS are very high risk for Cervical cancer,on the other hand a major surgery like a hysterectomy is a risk

 

[chobie]

Just curious Jenny when you have surgery, will you also have a tubal or hysterectomy? Someone with your obviously serious health conditions would be better off not having an accidental pg. I'm rather surprised that a tubal wasn't done with your last pg since you said that was when you were diagnosed with AIDS. Good luck to you.

I believe life begins at conception. For me there is no choice.

Are you implying this is her fault somehow? Is this your idea of Christian compassion?

 

[disney4us2002]

Are you implying this is her fault somehow? Is this your idea of Christian compassion?

A) I didn't state anything at all about my religious beliefs.

B) Fault implies a negative emotion. I didn't imply it was her "fault"; however, it is her responsibility. Don't you agree? Of course her dh/so/bf is also responsible but as the one ill, I would want to make absolutely certain that I didn't become pg.

C) America = freedom of expression. Even mine.

 

[robinb]

i would never be FORCED to die for my unborn- I pray i would do it willingly- the same way i would give my life for any of my 3 other children.
{snip}
if i died my other childrens would be able to survive with out me

I find this really sad. For the sake of your 3 children and your husband I hope you never have to make that choice.

 

[Teejay32]

Jenny I can't decide whether you taking part in this thread is going to help you or hurt you even worse. It's making me nervous and I don't even know you.

 

[JennyMominRI]

A) I didn't state anything at all about my religious beliefs.

B) Fault implies a negative emotion. I didn't imply it was her "fault"; however, it is her responsibility. Don't you agree? Of course her dh/so/bf is also responsible but as the one ill, I would want to make absolutely certain that I didn't become pg.

C) America = freedom of expression. Even mine.

I'm cool with your questions I wasn't upset by them.
Your so right ,it certainly is my responsibility..I had to make tough choices once I got the cardiomyopathy.. A tubal was considered.. It's a surgery ,involving anesthesia and is a risk. A higher rate of complications in Patients with advanced HIV disease was a risk....I've always used 2 forms of BC (even the hormonal BC's are a risk ).
I had to think about which was more likely,complications from a tubal,or what we thought was a very slight pregnany risk.
Obviously,I came out on the wrong end of things
I made the best choices I could at the time.
It's very likely that one or mor eof my meds may have interefered with the ability of the BCP's to work..There are so many unknowns with the meds that no one really knows

 

[chobie]

A) I didn't state anything at all about my religious beliefs.

B) Fault implies a negative emotion. I didn't imply it was her "fault"; however, it is her responsibility. Don't you agree? Of course her dh/so/bf is also responsible but as the one ill, I would want to make absolutely certain that I didn't become pg.

C) America = freedom of expression. Even mine.

Did I say you could not say these things? And please, you don't have say anything about religion. The belief that life begins at conception is a religious belief and everyone knows that. The anti abortion arguments are based on religion and emotion, not logic.

 

[disney4us2002]

Chobie, I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I've been anti-abortion since I first learned family life. I wrote my hs senior persuasion paper on this topic against the wishes of my english teacher. It doesn't have anything to do with my religious beliefs which I came to later in life. Also, my dh who agrees that life begins at conception is agnostic. To me it is logical that I carried life within me. I had an internal sonogram at 6wks and saw the flashing of my ds' heartbeat. That is life.

I want to mention that I edited my post on the previous page to include more information about my choices. Some quoted me before I added those comments and might have missed the rest of my post.

 

[phillybeth]

B) Fault implies a negative emotion. I didn't imply it was her "fault"; however, it is her responsibility. Don't you agree? Of course her dh/so/bf is also responsible but as the one ill, I would want to make absolutely certain that I didn't become pg.

And 2 forms of birth control is irresponsible then?