Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[IMGONNABE40!]

I am thiking... what would Jesus do as per the abortionist. I cannot envision Jesus cutting a child from the womb. That is what I meant. Of course Jesus will forgive the abortioner and the mom who seeks abortion alike if they seek forgiveness. No question there. There is no hierarchy of sins. These "prochoice" folks will be forgiven and invited into the Kingdom with the rest of us sinners--if they seek the Kingdom and forgiveness.

The trouble is, given that abortion is not against the civil laws of the US, a lot of folks are confused as to the morality of such a "choice".

BTW, the life of the mother is rarely credible issue.

 

[chadfromdallas]

The trouble is, given that abortion is not against the civil laws of the US, a lot of folks are confused as to the morality of such a "choice".

And what makes your morals so correct? I don't think you get it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

As I posted elsewhere...

God gave man (and woman) free will. That free will means we can make our choices. That included the advancements in medicine that allows for the medicines and precedures available today. It doesn't mean that God endorses each and everyone.

We will be loved regardless of our choices--but if we make the sinful choice and don't think it is a sin---and don't seek forgiveness....or we know it is a sin--seek forgiveness with intent to repeat the sin...we will be loved--but come judgement, it will be up to God on how to deal with us.

As far as I know a root canal or appendectomy doesn't violate the 10 commandments...but abortions...in most--actually all cases, does--regardless of the validity of the procedure.

 

[poohandwendy]

As to all of the WWJD talk, my part in supporting my loved one through an aborton procedure is between me and God. Thanks for the concern and opinions, but I prayed on it long and hard.

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

I think the hardest choices in life are the ones we know are "right". I think it is probably very difficult to admit that an accidental pregnancy should not be brought to term. In a case where the mother's life is in danger it is an absolute no-brainer! The fetus is, for all practical purposes, a parasite. If it endangers the mother's life then the pregnancy should be terminated.

DH was adopted as a newborn and I applaud his birth mom for her choice. We have never met her.

What I have a problem with are girls who have babies who have NO CLUE how to care for them and ultimately DON'T care for them. They won't abort, they won't put them up for adoption, and they won't take the necessary steps to become responsible parents. Vicious cycles are perpetuated that way. I think it is better for a girl to choose to abort than to have a child she can't afford and won't take care of but is too stupid or too stubborn to give up.

 

[LukenDC]

No woman should be forced to die for her unborn child. Period.

 

[IMGONNABE40!]

Exactly that, Chad. That is the problem of "legalized" abortion. Under old English law you could kill any child not yet weaned. Before that, you could kill anyone in your household who depended upon you for support. Are you saying that is okay? All I am saying is that the distinction between born and unborn is artificial and concocted as a matter of convenience. Again, I cannot see Jesus cutting an unborn child from the womb.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Exactly that, Chad. That is the problem of "legalized" abortion. Under old English law you could kill any child not yet weaned. Before that, you could kill anyone in your household who depended upon you for support. Are you saying that is okay? All I am saying is that the distinction between born and unborn is artificial and concocted as a matter of convenience. Again, I cannot see Jesus cutting an unborn child from the womb.

You would just love to see abortion made illegal wouldn't you?

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

If abortions were illegal and I needed one I wouldn't care what Jesus would do. Jesus didn't have a womb!! My body, my choice.

 

[IMGONNABE40!]

Yes. Just as in these enlightened times, most other forms of murder are illegal.

Suppose I were a woman with a one week old child. I no longer felt like supporting that child. She could not survive without me--so I decided to drown her. How is that different from abortion?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yes. Just as in these enlightened times, most other forms of murder are illegal.

Suppose I were a woman with a one week old child. I no longer felt like supporting that child. She could not survive without me--so I decided to drown her. How is that different from abortion?

Well--legally it is capital murder.

Babar's thread was moving along nicely--let's continue to be nice in our commentary. Us women handled debating abortion nicely last weekend.

 

[Serena]

You never really know what you will do in a situation unless you've been in it.
It's best not to judge others.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Yes. Just as in these enlightened times, most other forms of murder are illegal.

Suppose I were a woman with a one week old child. I no longer felt like supporting that child. She could not survive without me--so I decided to drown her. How is that different from abortion?

K, let me get this through your head.

These are YOUR beliefs. Why the heck should others be forced to follow your absurd views? I hate fundies like you who think that everyone should follow your ways. Its sad in a way, not only that you think you are in the right, but that you just don't get it at all. I wish I was a bit more fluent with my words so that I could go into a long, deep posting on this subject, but alas, my skills in typing my words, rather than speaking them are a bit lacking. So, I'll just toss another

 

[chobie]

As far as I know a root canal or appendectomy doesn't violate the 10 commandments...but abortions...in most--actually all cases, does--regardless of the validity of the procedure.

Actually, as Jenny pointed out, Jewish law has always permitted abortion in the case of the mother's life being in danger. So, I don't see how it violates the ten commandments. Also according to ancient Jewish law if a person hurt a pregnant woman so that she lost the baby, but she was unharmed, then the penalty was just a fine. However, If the mother was harmed then it was eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. So, at the time of Moses and the 10 commandments, fetuses were not considered equal to the mother.

As for Jesus, Jesus led a celibate life. Are not all of you who are married doing something Jesus would not do?

 

[chobie]

Yes. Just as in these enlightened times, most other forms of murder are illegal.

Suppose I were a woman with a one week old child. I no longer felt like supporting that child. She could not survive without me--so I decided to drown her. How is that different from abortion?

So, incredibly specious. Anyone cant take care of a one week old child. Only the pregnant woman can gestate the fetus that implanted in her uterus.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Okay guys--we are getting feisty...let's be nice on babar's thread....it's possible to debate nicely.

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Well, in this state we have moms who drown their children (all four of them), beat their skulls in with rocks (killed two, blinded one), and most recently we had one who cut the arms off her 10 month old. Better to abort than torture.

A fetus unable to live outside the womb is not a person - it is a fetus.

I do see your point, I just don't agree. The thought of having to endure an unwanted pregnancy makes it hard for me to breathe. I absolutely could NOT do it. I don't want more children - I am finished with that.

I admire people with strong faith. I have hope, but not faith. Without faith to sustain me through a crisis the best I can do is HOPE it ends quickly. I am not a Christian so I guess I just see things from a different perspective. Nothing could make me carry an unwanted fetus to term.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

As for Jesus, Jesus led a celibate life. Are not all of you who are married doing something Jesus would not do?

I'm sorry but that deserves a:

 

[The Mystery Machine]

As for Jesus, Jesus led a celibate life. Are not all of you who are married doing something Jesus would not do?

Actually this is an unknown. In the life of Jesus it would be unheard of him to be an unmarried man in his time. So he may have not been celibate.

 

[chobie]

Actually this is an unknown. In the life of Jesus it would be unheard of him to be an unmarried man in his time. So he may have not been celibate.

Thanks for clearing that up.

EDA: It was also unheard of for a man to go around raising the dead and curing lepers at that time.