Hassan Told Me I can Rent my points!

[greenban]

Today, at 10:46am, a person under the name Angry Mickey dropped a bomb on this board that has grown to 5 pages long and now ends up becoming too personal. I doubt very much if their posts are legit, since a couple of sentences posted strategically seems to get everyone going. Whether this person is legit or not, posting here about some sort of misrepresentation is best handled elsewhere, preferably with a lawyer.

This is not anyone's problem here except for the person who has supposedly purchased this contract. That persons own lack of due diligence and lack of reading of a formalized contract is an issue with their own conscience and common sense.

Somebody do us all a favor and kill this string.

Tony

Anthony!

Where is your sense of humor?

Where is your joy of vicarious living?

Where is your wonder at this ongoing fictional tale?

Nay I say, Do not kill this thread, but lift it up to what yonder light breaks, and disect it with sharp wit and rapier-like response!







I may have to create a poll. Perhaps about the 'quality' of $8.00 versus $9.00 versus $10.00 versus $11.00, etc renters!

JMHO, YRMV!

-Tony

JimMIA, are Bicycle flights cheaper than Southwest Flights? From your description they have the same level of ammenities and service!

 

[JimMIA]

Somebody do us all a favor and kill this string.

Tony

And THAT may well be the most sensible thing any of us have said on this entire thread...

 

[Para2176]

Anthony!

Where is your sense of humor?

Where is your joy of vicarious living?

Where is your wonder at this ongoing fictional tale?

Nay I say, Do not kill this thread, but lift it up to what yonder light breaks, and disect it with sharp wit and rapier-like response!







I may have to create a poll. Perhaps about the 'quality' of $8.00 versus $9.00 versus $10.00 versus $11.00, etc renters!

JMHO, YRMV!

-Tony

JimMIA, are Bicycle flights cheaper than Southwest Flights? From your description they have the same level of ammenities and service!

Your answer to question #1-Upper Volta, Bulgaria

Your answer to question #2-Lower Volta, Bulgaria

Your answer to #3-I just wonder why.

As to this statement "Nay I say, Do not kill this thread, but lift it up to what yonder light breaks, and disect it with sharp wit and rapier-like response!"

My sword is bigger than yours.


Big Smile, BBBBiiiiggggg Smile.

 

[Dean]

Okay - I am confused here. How does the transferring of points enforcement affect renting? When I rented in the past, I just made the reservation in the renter's name and they sent me the payment. There was no transfer of points to anyone else's account.

Now also since I have 2 contracts for a total of only 200 points, my worry with the rule enforcement is that when I need an extra 13 points next year for a huge family vacation, that no one will want use their 1 transfer for such a small transaction.

Frankly I don't think this really matters one way or another. The issue will only affect a limited group of people to a large degree though it may affect almost everyone to a small degree. I predict it'll actually help those who rent more than hurt them. The only people who will be affected to a large degree are those who own a smaller package and end up needing/wanting a large amount of points transferred in. Even then there will be ways to do it within the system. The other groups that might be affected are those that owned at the more desirable resorts and are transferring in to take advantage of the system limitations. And that too will still be workable in most cases. It will, IMO, hurt the casual renter and the member who just needs a few points. Rental and transfer points will certainly go up due to this issue. So it will be funny when those that are anti renting actually realize this will benefit many renters and actually hurt many other owners.

I don't look at that way.

Disney has right to stop allowing anyone but us to check in....

I once rented my other timeshares. I had to call them, send a fax, then sign a certified letter..... that was a problem.

Disney is not.

My brother is going through a bad time - so I rent some of my points - give him half (after I take out the costs).

Disney has the right to require reasonable notification and documentation for check in but not to prevent others than the member to check in if proper procedures are followed. On a side note, anyone who rents even for the fees or for a dinner out is classified as a renter in DVC's eyes.

But now you have a problem, just like the dozen or so speculators who bought townhomes in our new complex at pre-construction prices, tried to turn them quickly to make a quick buck, the market slowed and now can't sell them. So what are they doing? They are renting them out at reduced rates to people that, quite frankly, lower the value of the neighborhood. Likewise.. at $10 per point one is only paying $80.00 for a hotel room (i.e.Sun-Thurs OKW) in a resort that normally costs upwards of $250.00 per night. It devalues the experience for owners and it appears Disney is trying to prevent that.

I have no sympathy for greed. And I am really trying to find out exactly what would motivate one to buy 1000 points if they knew up front they wouldn't use them! Did Hassan hit the "greed" hot button? I've been in sales my entire adult life and all you have to do is find the hot button. For me the hot button is the Disney magic. Nothing else matters and that seems to be enough for the majority of posters here.

And for what it is worth, I hate your name, there really is no room for an Angry Mickey in Disney's World.

If indeed this whole deal is for real.....

I find this funny. Different people bought for different reasons. And some my truly have bought just to rent and that is their right both legally and under the rules. Disney cannot prevent that in spite of what you'd like to believe and in spite of what you'd like to read into the email DVC sent out.

I don't think there is an overall opinion against the actual "renters"...while some almost certainly are unpleasant guests, I'm sure the same can be said about some DVC members.

I've met folks on almost every visit that have been renters, most have been just like any other guest, there to enjoy Disney. As with all groups, it is the few bad apples that folks remember.

Not directed at Chuck, just that his post was a good one to make the points.

I think it's a mixed bag. I think a large contingent of this board are anti renters but less so anti rentee. Many take a socialistic view that it's OK to rent out but how dare one try to make a profit on it. Heck I'm going to make every penny I can fairly and reasonably do so the occasional times I rent out. And if the only way to do so were to concentrate all my points on a certain time of year and/or resort; I'd be glad to do so. Every single reservation every member makes is them against everyone else. It is a competition and I intend to win. Better when it's win win but if it's me against you, I vote for me. Think of it like College Football.

 

[JimMIA]

As to this statement "Nay I say, Do not kill this thread, but lift it up to what yonder light breaks, and disect it with sharp wit and rapier-like response!"

My sword is bigger than yours.

One must always expect as much when another speaks of dirks and rapiers...no?

 

[OKWMom]

One must always expect as much when another speaks of dirks and rapiers...no?

Apparently so. Gentlemen, I must thank you for a thoroughly entertaining evening. Tony (greenban), many thanks to you for once again interjecting some humor into a "hot topic". Jim, love the description of your aerial acrobatics.

 

[CarolA]

Think of it like College Football.

GO VOLS!!!


(I checked some other message boards, on the ones I checked only here is the world as we know it coming to an end. But I am enjoying the show. )

 

[ilovepooh]

All I know is that BEFORE I purchased my 150 points at VWL, I:

-wrote down a ton of notes from info. on these boards

-learned ALL the ins and outs of the program

-went to the public library and researched timeshares, etc.

-lost a lot of sleep making sure this was a commitment we could financially afford

-discussed it with several people

*****all this for 150 points***************

IMHO-No matter how rich/poor you are.....you MUST do your homework and know any/all risks before entering into such a large financial transaction!!

 

[Sammie]

This is one of the most offensive things I have ever read here on the Dis. If I rent points at $10 per point I devalue the experience for others? Are you serious? You don't know me, my family, or anyone else who rents points, so how can you say we would devalue something. Just because you "own" DVC makes you no better than those who don't.

Just so you can become a little more educated......there are people out there, like myself, where the family will need to relocate for job purposes. When this happens you will find us (executive and educated families) renting instead of buying a home because we might not know how long we will be staying in one area. We by no means are renting to devalue your neighborhood. It is disappointing that these generalizations are made.

It is also disappointing when someone assumes something is all about them, when truly it is not.

No one is talking about the Renters, but about the process.

 

[rinkwide]

...I've met folks on almost every visit that have been renters, most have been just like any other guest...

 

[greenban]

Your answer to question #1-Upper Volta, Bulgaria

Your answer to question #2-Lower Volta, Bulgaria

Your answer to #3-I just wonder why.

As to this statement "Nay I say, Do not kill this thread, but lift it up to what yonder light breaks, and disect it with sharp wit and rapier-like response!"

My sword is bigger than yours.


Big Smile, BBBBiiiiggggg Smile.

In all Honesty, Anthony, I too would agree your sword is much larger than my rapier, and (sigh) all that - that implies!

-Tony

See this fantasy thread IS fun, and educational, and non-fat as well, so we can all enjoy, guilt free!

 

[Ms.Mouse]

Posted twice.

 

[Ms.Mouse]

When we bought, my guide, Byron, spoke to me about how many pts. I needed. I was unsure. He said to buy smaller and add on as I needed/wanted. I know someone who has a different guide who basically gave her and her DH the same advice....

My question is, Did any of you other posters have the same experience as Angry Mickey where they wanted to selll you the most points and say ... "Well, you can always rent them out"??? Whether or not this Hassan is at DVC sales or not, I would think that he wouldn't have tried to sell the 1000 pts. in one contract and the selling point wouldn't have been making money off the rental of points....

IF Angry Mickey is legit( and I questioned that myself.... AND I'm usually pretty gullible!!!).... What more could you have done???? A question you asked (pg.2, I believe).... You could have USED THE BRAIN THAT GOD PUT IN THAT HEAD OF YOURS!!!!!!

As for the rest of us... I've seen here and in other posts where there is a question as to whether the person is a legit poster or a troublemaker....IF you feel a poster isn't legit, why do you feed into it??? Many times it causes problems/arguments and nastiness....I've even fallen into it BUT then decided not to continue to feed into the nasty game of forum fighting, bashing, hurting others etc. etc..... Wouldn't it be a better board if we could all do it??? Here and there on this thread, I thought we were close to letting it happen and watched and I think that I see good observations toward the OP. Maybe the thread will hopefully die a friendly death.....?????

 

[Scratch42]

Yep!

If you are legit, there is NO ONE saying you can't rent out your points. It's stated right there in the email that DVC sent out...."their lessees". You can rent, you just can't make a lot of little transfers of points into and out of your account multiple times in a year. That has not changed....All that's changed is that MS is finally going to follow the rule to the letter. Of course, if your only intent was to have a commercial business of renting points, then shame on you for not reading your POS documents before signing and dating!

Yeah! What she said!

j

 

[paults]

As for the rest of us... I've seen here and in other posts where there is a question as to whether the person is a legit poster or a troublemaker....IF you feel a poster isn't legit, why do you feed into it??? Many times it causes problems/arguments and nastiness....I've even fallen into it BUT then decided not to continue to feed into the nasty game of forum fighting, bashing, hurting others etc. etc..... Wouldn't it be a better board if we could all do it??? Here and there on this thread, I thought we were close to letting it happen and watched and I think that I see good observations toward the OP. Maybe the thread will hopefully die a friendly death.....?????

BUT then what would we do? watch these post really make me laugh Post like these are all about entertaiment and keeping the idle busy

 

[OKWMom]

 

[thebriarrose]

I am new to this whole thing and am looking to invest in DVC. I was told by my rep. that you can rent the points. I am also looking at renting points until we can outright purchase a share. So if you would like someone to rent to I would be interested if everything is in order. I was told renting can go for any price you would like any where from 4 to 15 dollars per point.

 

[CarolA]

I am new to this whole thing and am looking to invest in DVC. I was told by my rep. that you can rent the points. I am also looking at renting points until we can outright purchase a share. So if you would like someone to rent to I would be interested if everything is in order. I was told renting can go for any price you would like any where from 4 to 15 dollars per point.

More FUN!

 

[Deb & Bill]

For the people quoting the POS on transfers: Make sure you thoroughly read the POS since there are several references to transfers in the POS, not just one. In the one dated 7/2001, look at page 32, 36, 38,39, etc.

 

[rinkwide]

I am new to this whole thing and am looking to invest in DVC. I was told by my rep. that you can rent the points. I am also looking at renting points until we can outright purchase a share. So if you would like someone to rent to I would be interested if everything is in order. I was told renting can go for any price you would like any where from 4 to 15 dollars per point.

If you happen to be single, I have an "upset mouse" I'd like to introduce you to.