Harry Potter Book 7 *SPOILERS*

WOW! This book was packed with a lot. I am going to reread it again. I am just waiting for my daughter to finish it today.
I was getting very disappointed when Dumbledore was not being in it. Then he finally came in at the end. Then Snape, well, I knew snape was on harry side. Very surprise how snape died. But at the same time, it fits.

Draco, disappointed, was not really in it. I did like how the malfoys, sitting in the great hall at the end. Of course, I have to reread it, it seems my brain could not obsorb everything.:lmao:
Lupin, I was hoping for him to survive.


This was a very emotional book, cried, laughed, scaried, unbelievable, sad, wondering, and stayed on pins and needles. So much in one book. Rowling did a outstanding job on the book.

I loved the ending.
I very sad it all ended. I am thrilled my DD will have a collection to behanded down to her kids.
 
I finished last night. What a marathon!

I did love the book, and thought Rowling did a very good job with answering many questions.

As for the body count: I was actually a bit miffed at how the main characters would get out of very tight situations. For instance, Harry's escape from the Dursley house. We have 14 people (including Harry), on seven different brooms, etc,. flying up into the air. Immediately, they are surrounded by 30+ Death Eaters. Killing curses are flying everywhere.

Yet, all escaped (one Wesley twin without an ear). While reading that chapter I fully expected someone to take a fall. The Death Eaters can't have that bad of aim. (edited: wait, is that when Mad Eye died?)

I agree about Hagrid getting a reprieve. When he was carried off by the spiders I thought he was a goner. No real explanation of how he escaped them. Maybe the spiders were just glad to see him? :confused3

I can still see a sequel, of sorts. As the children of Harry, Draco, etc., were boarding the train I thought "Hmm, might be a book in following the kids". What if it turned out that Vordemort left a child behind, intent on getting even with Harry through his children? Ah well.

I just read elsewhere that Snape, as he lay dying, wanted to look into Harry's eyes because Harry, as we have been told many a time, had Lily's eyes. Wow!

thanks, JK, for many a pleasureable hour!
 
Here is a question. Why have seven Harry's, and not just change Harry into someone else? I first thought it was becuase of underaged magic, but they all took the potion right there on Privat Drive anyway.
 
I think that the reason James, Lily, Lupin and Sirius were the ones that were by Harry when he used the stone was because they were people that he was extremely close to, and all played a parental role to him (meaning Lupin and Sirius here, not James and Lily, obviously), I think it would have been great if Snape was there also, but I may have too much Star Wars on the brain.
I think Snape was left out of that scene for two reasons: 1) After seeing his memories, Harry totally trusted and respected Snape, but he didn't love him. And at that moment, he only wanted people whom he'd loved during life. 2) If Snape'd been added, it would've put him, James, and Lily into the same scene -- it would've been a little uncomfortable, and it would've divided the reader's attention from the main point: Harry is voluntarily walking towards his death.
I have to agree. I was quite surprised by the line. Not because of the swearing, but because it seemed very out of character for Mrs Weasly and also very muggle - so not only out of character for Mrs Weasly, but really for the whole wizarding world basically. I felt the same way about Ron "effing" everything....where did that come from? Again very "our" world, not theirs.
"Too muggle". Perhaps that's why I dislike the line so much. Throughout the book, JKR has used her own invented wizard vocabulary, and that has occasionally included a wizard-variety of swearing; most notably, "mudblood"; also the characters have frequently sworn by various parts of Merlin's anatomy or clothing: "Merlin's beard!" or "Merlin's pants!" Even Ron's use of "effing", which seems to be a new addition for book 7, is a softer version of what we know he means. So that's why it's so startling and ugly when Mrs. Weasley uses muggle profanity. One wonders how she even knows the word -- it doesn't seem to be used in their world.
And maybe it's just me but I think desperation in a moment like that seems more real than trying to be classy about it. You're talking about a woman who has murdered and tortured many innocent people and would do it again without a second thought...if she were threatening my child AND taunting me about the death of another I would have screamed at her a lot worse than Mrs.Weasley did.
I our real world, sure. But we're talking about HER world.
Furthermore, look at other death scenes: Lily Potter certainly was in an equally horrible situation. Sirius realized that he was falling through the portal. Yet neither of them turned potty-mouth in the process -- and, referring to my previous comment -- if it'd been wizard swearing, it wouldn't have bothered me.
As it was a childrens' novel, I was pretty sure that the main trio would live. It seemed unlikely that she would have killed any of them. I am a little surprised that she opted to kill off both Lupin and Tonks - I'm with those that said Tonks' first responsibility should have been to stay with her child. On a whole, Tonks' and Lupin's death did feel "thrown" in there . . . The only think I was a little dissapointed was that trio opted not to go back to school for their 7th year. I understand for sake of the story that they couldn't be in school during the year, but as this is a childrens book it was sad to see that finishing one's education isn't important. Just a comment by one of they indicating that they would go back after defeating Voldemort or something along those lines would have been nice.
I expected Lupin to die -- I mean everyone else whose name appears on the Maurauder's Map is dead. And once he came to Bill's house to announce the birth of the baby and asked Harry to be godfather, well, I figured he'd definitely be dying by the end of the book! You know the literature rules: Never stop and have a sappy, emotional scene just before a big fight --it's a sure sign that one of you won't be making it to the end! The archetype is well established!

I was also disappointed that there wasn't some little indication that they're going back to school the following year; maybe Professor McG (whom I suppose will become new headmistress) could've invited them back for the next year. Of course, Fred and George set a precident by leaving school a year early --and they've gone on to be successful businessmen -- so we see that completing one's education isn't totally necessary in the wizarding world. On the other hand, if their goal is still to become aurors, then we know they need a great deal of education.
I was most upset by Dobby's death followed by Fred. I was so glad Hagrid didn't die.
Oh, Dobby's death was horrible. I didn't see it coming at all, and then he died so heroically.
I'm still not sure Snape ever LIKED Potter. I think the "Always" referred to him still loving Lily . . . His him, and shouting seem so angry, not loving towards Potter. I think he means he still loves LILY and is doing it only for her.
I took that line to mean that he'd cared for Harry "always" -- as in, he cared for him the moment he walked into Hogwarts, and he was tough on him because he knew that he was capable of so much. But now that you've pointed this out . . . I think you're right: he meant that he'd never stopped caring for Lily. After the underpants scene, I figured he'd had a thing for Lily, but I never would've believed it went all the way back to childhood and that he's the one who first told her the secrets of the wizard world!
I do wish that the life-debt Wormtail owed Harry would have been a little more dramatic. I also wish that Kreacher would have had a little more of a role in the final book.
I think these two plotlines were victims of space. Wormtail's story probably could've been more elaborate, but I had the feeling that JKR realized she was running out of time and had to kill him off quickly. He had to die, though, sneaky little traitor.
What I would really like to know now is who got the reprieve. JK Rowling said that originally someone was supposed to die, but got a reprieve and two others died instead of that person.
My guess is that it was "supposed to be" Hagrid who died. I mean, twice I thought he was dead: after falling off that motorbike and in the spider scene. And WHY would Voldemorte have killed everyone else, but tied Hagrid up to a tree? I think it's because JKR knew she'd have to get Harry's "dead body" back to the castle. Sure, Voldemorte could've levitated it back magically, but it's more touching to have Hagrid -- the man who brought him to the castle as an 11-year old boy -- carry him.

I'd figured Hagrid was going to die. Sure, he's a bit of a bumbler and lots of people are against him, but he's one of the emotional centers of the book -- he's always been there for Harry. I figured he was going to die, and his death would be a rallying point for Harry and Hermione especially.
I'd been wondering where the name Hugo came from! All of the other names seemed to fit (I figured Rose was just to go with Lily), but Hugo seemed a bit out of nowhere.
JKR obviously likes to use flowers for girls' names: Lily, Petunia, Pansy, Fleur . . . so Rose isn't a stretch for her. I wonder if Hugo might be a nod to someone in her personal life.
3. Draco Malfoy did not do enough to avoid a life sentence in prision. That fact that he had an 11 year old son 19 years later, he probably did no time.
Interesting thought. We assume that Kingsley'll become permanant Minister of Magic, and he doesn't strike me as the forgiving type! I'd say his mother did more at the end -- lying straight to the Dark Lord's face -- than he did. And since he's legally of age, he cannot rely upon his youth to avoid a sentence. It'd be interesting to know more about that!
Rowling does three things very well: she gives us very believable characters, she creates a marvelous world for them to exist in, and can write very good individual scenes. But the way she puts her books together has always been her weakest point
I think that's a fair description!
I thought one of their kids would be named Fred. Heck, maybe they were just names JKR liked.
If we knew about George's children, I'm sure there'd be a Fred in there!
I did like how the malfoys, sitting in the great hall at the end.
I think it's probably realistic though. I mean, with all that's going on, who has time for a couple Death Eaters turned good? They have made no friends, and it would be inappropriate for them to try to console those who've lost loved ones. I'm sure they were stripped of their mansion and wealth; let's pretend that the Ministry took all the Death Eater's wealth and gave it to the victims of Voldemorte and the orphans they left behind.
I agree about Hagrid getting a reprieve. When he was carried off by the spiders I thought he was a goner. No real explanation of how he escaped them. Maybe the spiders were just glad to see him? . . . I can still see a sequel, of sorts. As the children of Harry, Draco, etc., were boarding the train I thought "Hmm, might be a book in following the kids". What if it turned out that Vordemort left a child behind, intent on getting even with Harry through his children? Ah well.
Maybe the spiders weren't attacking him -- they were taking him out of danger. After all, some time back, they told us that they wouldn't attack Hagrid out of respect for what he'd done for Aragog. Of course, that doesn't explain how he ended up with Voldemorte tied to a tree later.

No, I don't want to see more books. As wonderful as these books are, the story is finished. To try to add to it would be second-rate and would denegrate these books. Has anyone read the "new" Little House books? Yuck!
Here is a question. Why have seven Harry's, and not just change Harry into someone else? I first thought it was becuase of underaged magic, but they all took the potion right there on Privat Drive anyway.
I don't think drinking of potions is detectable. But spells "show up" on the Trace.

And I have one question: WHERE'S CHARLIE? Was he even mentioned in the book? I think he was at the wedding, but there's no way he would've allowed the fight at the end to go on without him. He could've brought dragons!
 

I finished last night. What a marathon!

I did love the book, and thought Rowling did a very good job with answering many questions.

As for the body count: I was actually a bit miffed at how the main characters would get out of very tight situations. For instance, Harry's escape from the Dursley house. We have 14 people (including Harry), on seven different brooms, etc,. flying up into the air. Immediately, they are surrounded by 30+ Death Eaters. Killing curses are flying everywhere.

Yet, all escaped (one Wesley twin without an ear). While reading that chapter I fully expected someone to take a fall. The Death Eaters can't have that bad of aim. (edited: wait, is that when Mad Eye died?)

I agree about Hagrid getting a reprieve. When he was carried off by the spiders I thought he was a goner. No real explanation of how he escaped them. Maybe the spiders were just glad to see him? :confused3

I can still see a sequel, of sorts. As the children of Harry, Draco, etc., were boarding the train I thought "Hmm, might be a book in following the kids". What if it turned out that Vordemort left a child behind, intent on getting even with Harry through his children? Ah well.

I just read elsewhere that Snape, as he lay dying, wanted to look into Harry's eyes because Harry, as we have been told many a time, had Lily's eyes. Wow!

thanks, JK, for many a pleasureable hour!

Mad Eye Moody did die in that chapter.
 
And I have one question: WHERE'S CHARLIE? Was he even mentioned in the book? I think he was at the wedding, but there's no way he would've allowed the fight at the end to go on without him. He could've brought dragons!

Charlie was there at the end. Took him awhile to get from Romania. I guess.
 
And I have one question: WHERE'S CHARLIE? Was he even mentioned in the book? I think he was at the wedding, but there's no way he would've allowed the fight at the end to go on without him. He could've brought dragons!

Even when the family is all around Fred's body, Charlie is not there.
 
I've been thinking why Ron and Hermoine named their children Hugo and Rose. The only connection I see is the R and the H initial switch. Has anyone thought of a connection?

I'm about to pick up the book for a second reading (my husband just finished). It has been such an emotional weekend! It feels like the day after Christmas. You eagerly anticipated the presents. Some exceeded your expectations, some didn't. Now it is time to put the decorations away. :sad1:

I wonder what's next for Rowling. I hope she doesn't wait too long!
 
I also thought Ron suddenly being able to speak parseltongue was kinda lame.

I don't think he was really able to speak it. The way I read it, it was kinda like if someone was trying to mimic the sound of French - if they tried it long enough, they might actually duplicate a real word. I think he was just making random hissing noises and happened to land on a "real" one after awhile.

The way I read it before, there wasn't a secret word or phrase that opened the chamber. . .just "speaking" to it in parseltongue was enough and that's what Ron was trying to do.
 
I loved the book.

Harry truly became worthy of all the sacrifices made for him. He showed what a good man he has become. I loved how Kreacher was transformed by the way Harry treated him. I was so sad to see brave Dobby die, but I loved that Harry insisted on digging his grave and how everyrone gave Dobby clothes, and then the grave marker: "A free Elf."

I found the Goblin/Gringotts story very interesting. Again, even though there was a double cross, because Harry did not want treasure for himself, the Goblins looked at him differently than other wizards.

Greatness comes from more than what an individual does...it also comes from how he inspires others. That's why I was so thrilled with the battle at Hogwarts...so many shined as heroes because they were inspired by Harry's actions. The house elves fighting with Kreacher leading! Neville was stellar. The Horcruxes being destroyed by different people...brilliant.

I can just imagine how much better the wizarding world became during those 19 years.

JK has created an incredibly rich world...I would love to see her go back to the days of the founding of Hogwarts, the days of the marauders, the 19-year gap...so much to explore.

I was disappointed that Lucius Malfoy did not die. I never saw anything redeeming about him.

All the deaths were awful, but Hedwig's was particularly painful.

Harry walking toward what he thought was his death was crushing.

While I would have liked much more story following Voldemort's death, I am ok with the ending. Hopefully, JK will find it impossible to stay away from the world she created.
 
One thing I did not get....I thought the final book was supposed to explain why some of the individuals at Hogwarts were ghosts and never actually died and went away. I never really caught onto that completely. Can somebody explain that to me?

The ghost called the Gray Lady was Ravenclaw's daughter who had stolen the diadem. The Bloody Baron was her jealous lover who had stabbed her.

LOVED the whole book--I didn't think any bit of it was boring or slow. I was trying to read it slowly to make it last but when I got to the last half--I ended up reading it all in one shot.

I even loved the epilogue, Mal. ;) I was glad Harry finally got a family and I don't care how cheesy it was.

I cried my eyes out all the way through it--mainly remembering that my 16 yo dd was just a little one when I began reading it to her and now she's almost grown up--just like Harry.
 
Wow, awesome book!

None of the weaknesses of the book took away from my overall enjoyment of it.

I guess it's obvious now that "that awful (dreadful?) boy that Petunia talked about was the young Snape who taught the sisters about the magical world. I didn't know until Book 7 whether she was talking about James or Severus.

I, too, wished Petunia had been able to say something nice to Harry as she was leaving. I didn't expect anything of her husband, but I really thought she might have. I was impressed by Dudders - the boy dis manage to mature and appreciate Harry as much as he was able. I've always felt sympathetic towards Dudders - look at how he was raised, the odds were well stacked against him becoming a nice boy!

The whole Hallows thing and Elder Wand waas confusing - I definitely need to read the book again. I think I understand the wand though - wands choose wizards, and this wand chooses the wizard who has "earned" it by being victorious over its previous owner. It won't work properly for anyone else. Dumbledore "won" it from Grindlewald, then Draco "won" the mastery of it by being the one to disarm D (Snape doing the actual killing didn't count - D was already disarmed, and the killing was done by prior arrangement, so it wasn't a victory for Snape). When Draco gave his wand to Harry I guess he also gave up the mastery of the Elder Wand?? This is the only part I'm fuzzy on - the transfer of the mastery from Draco to Harry.

I would have loved to see Harry reunited with Ginny after the battle - even though I know it happens from the Epilogue, I wanted to read about at least one more extremely romantic or passionate moment between them. Yeah, I'm a sucker for romance!
 
I didn't think about it before someone mentioned it a couple pages back, but it would have been great for Snape to be amoung the potraits of HeadMaster's in Dumbledore's office. Now I'm really disappointed that he wasn't. He should have been.

I'm curious...did you really think Harry was gone for good in the forest? I read some people were really upset, but that scene didn't even phase me, I knew he'd be back.
 
I read it way to fast because I do not remember Ron and Hermione kissing - but that's okay, because I am going to re read.

I thought the book was great - one of the better ones. I agree with the poster that said Book 4 Goblet of Fire was the weakest in the series. And I have to agree. I contemplated re-reading the whole series but the idea of reading Book #4 sort of killed that idea.

Things that I loved:
*Mrs. Weasley's line. We are all human, and while yes they are wizards they all live in the same world. I don't think it is that out of character for her to use a "muggle" phrase. And also I thought it fitting because what else could you refer to Bellaxtrix.

*Loved Doby's funeral - not in the I thought it was great way, but in a sad and wonderful tribute of respect way.

*I'm glad that it was the trio till the end.

*Love the epilouge. I thought it was great, loved that you see not only did they move on, but they are happy. To many fanfics had the characters miserable after Voldermort's demise.

*Loved Fred and George, loved Percy coming back.

Things that touched me:
*Fred's death - oh my.
*Dobby's death
*Hedwig's death
*Snapes memories

Things that angered me:
*Lupin and Tonks death it had a very, "Oh, they're dead" kind of feel to it.

Things that surprised me:
*Anyone notice Oliver Woods came back? I smiled when I read his line to Neville.
*Neville, dear sweet Neville seemed to take over as leader for the students with Harry and Ron absent. I loved every minute of it.

~Amanda
 
I didn't think about it before someone mentioned it a couple pages back, but it would have been great for Snape to be amoung the potraits of HeadMaster's in Dumbledore's office. Now I'm really disappointed that he wasn't. He should have been.

I'm curious...did you really think Harry was gone for good in the forest? I read some people were really upset, but that scene didn't even phase me, I knew he'd be back.

Maybe someone actually has to hang a portrait before he can be there. Didn't they talk about Dumbledore needing more portraits to be able to travel between them but nobody had hung any portraits? Since Snape had just died, there would have been no time.
 
Maybe someone actually has to hang a portrait before he can be there. Didn't they talk about Dumbledore needing more portraits to be able to travel between them but nobody had hung any portraits? Since Snape had just died, there would have been no time.

DD was hanging there immediately in HBP, although he was sleeping. Getting killed must be very tiring. Although I suppose someone could have hung it, I didn’t get that impression.
 
Maybe Snape wasn't "properly appointed"? McGonagall was the proper headmistress after D's death - Snape was put there by the corrupt Ministry, which means he was really an imposter in that position, not the "real" headmaster. I bet if M had died during the war, her portrait would have appeared. Just my guess.
 















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