Harry Potter Book 7 *SPOILERS*

Yes, I figured that was why he didn't KILL Voldemort, but why couldn't he disarm him and then put him in Azkaban or something?

He tried shooting a "rope spell" (don't remember the name of it) but V was able to get out of it.

I don't have my book here, but I think Voldemort made some comment about that spell not working again. After reading the last book, I took that as a reference to Grindelwald and how Dumbledore had captured him and put him in the wizarding prison in Germany. So he was trying to capture him, just was unsuccessful.
 
I still think the person who was supposed to do magic late in life was Petunia. There just seems to have been a lot hinted at where she was concerned.
 
Makes me wonder which one is accurate?!?!!?

That confused me too. But the more I think about it, I don't know why he couldn't be doing both. He could have invested in the joke shop and be a partner, but still be an auror.
 
Shirley Henderson will be turning 42 this Sept. and she plays Moaning Myrtle, a teenager!!!!!!
And just think - she got to cuddle up to Dan in GoF during the Prefect bathroom scene! That makes me a little jealous, though I :blush: to even think that way!

Goodness, I love this book and how discussions are still going on about it!
 

I think so. That's why Snape keeps looking up at Nagini's magical cage.
Snape wants to give Harry his memories.

Yes, I think that's exactly right. But Snape (as a character) sort of got the short end of the stick. I wanted more than the soliloquy of his memories.

I know I'm in the minority - but I was disappointed in the book. I think as a "arc" - the 7 book story works well. But the last book was too disjointed. I should probably have been two books or have been longer. It almost seemed like she was writing with a screenplay in mind instead of just finishing her story. And could she have thrown in any more clichés? It's a good thing that Tolkien/G. Lucas/C.S. Lewis/Saint Luke won't be likely to seek copyright protection. Then again, the series was so great, that even though it's my least favorite book in the series, I'm still pretty pleased, I guess. But I felt a little let down too. Not a lack of closure - but a lack of focus.
 
I don't have my book here, but I think Voldemort made some comment about that spell not working again. After reading the last book, I took that as a reference to Grindelwald and how Dumbledore had captured him and put him in the wizarding prison in Germany. So he was trying to capture him, just was unsuccessful.

I know...I'm wondering *why* he was unsucessful at capturing Voldemort, since he (DD) had the wand to end all wands.
 
I don't think she was much of a witch, but she definetly had performed magic before. The Prophecy that Voldemort is going after in OOTP, and she had another in POA.

I think she preferred divination, wasn't very good at, just preferred it; but she was a fully functional witch, Dumbledore was interviewing her for a position at Hogwart's when she had The Prophecy. He wouldn't have been interviewing a Squib or a Muggle for a professorship at Hogwarts.

Divination is not highly regarded because the future is fluid. To quote another great wizard (or Jedi in this case), "uncertain is the future, always changing it is". Makes Trewlaney's preferred magic hard to take seriously when she's always wrong about things.
I guess it's a moot point now if JKRowling said she didn't end up putting the magic by someone who had not done it before in.
I agree with Hermione though that Divination is not really magic (it does seem to be a 'gift' that some magical people have, although not a very accurate one, it seems).;)
I think if she was at all good at magic, she would have magically mended her teacups instead of just telling Neville not to choose her favorite color.
Also, the Dumbledore hired her because he realized how dangerous it would be for her to be out in the 'world' after she made her prophesy during the interview.
My guess is he knew that he could not until all the Horacuxes (sp?) was gone, including the one in Harry.

To elaborate, DD wanted Snape (when the time was right, which was when Nagini was no longer being sent to do V's dirty work) to tell Harry that he had part of V's soul and would need to allow V to kill him. Harry had to know this or else V could come back.
::yes::
Although I wondered what would have happened if Voldemort was killed when most of the Horcruxes were gone. Would he be less alive than he was?
I completely agree. What kind of world would Teddy have to grow up in, mother or not, had Voldemort succeeded? And as an auror, she had a very specific skill set and a responsibility to be there in battle. I just wish a bigger deal was made of her sacrifice.

I also would have liked a Tonks/Bellatrix face-off. Then again, there were just so many people that should have had a go at Bellatrix, I'm sure it was hard for Jo to pick just one.
I agree too.
I don't think Tonks would have been thinking about dying - of course she would be aware that was a possibility - but I think she would have been looking at what she, as an individual could do to prevent Voldemort from succeeding. If he had succeeded, Teddy would still have grown up without parents - his mom would have been in Azkaban for being a 'blood traitor' for marrying a werewolf, even if she had not fought against Voldemort and his dad would have probably been put to death even if only for being a werewolf.
I was shocked to find out they had died just by reading their bodies were among the dead. I think shock was easier in these deaths than reading all the 'spell by spell' details. This was shocking (I guess like real war), but it would have been much harder to read all the details (and I expect, much harder to write).
 
I wonder who she was thinking of giving magical pwoers to? Maybe Filch. I can see him conjuring up some magic in order to save his beloved Mrs. Norris. :laughing:



I loved that line where Mrs. Norris has a hissing fit trying to round up all the errant owls in the hallway. I could just picture her! :rotfl:
 
I think if she was at all good at magic, she would have magically mended her teacups instead of just telling Neville not to choose her favorite color.
Have to disagree w/this. JKR has reasons for putting things in her book. Putting the part about Trelawney telling Neville to pick a blue cup b/c he was going to break the pink cup was to show us that Trelawney DID have the gift of foreseeing the future and wasn't the fraud that others deemed her to be. Everyone thought she was a fraud but she managed to get a few things right ... esp. at the end of of HBP, where she's reading the cards and she states "Again and again, no matter how I lay them out --" And she pulled a card dramatically from underneath her shawls. "--the lightning-struck tower," she whispered. "Calamity. Disaster. Coming nearer all the time ...". She's read the cards accurately based on what occurs after the Death Eaters invade the castle. JKR put that part about Neville breaking the cup in book 3, early on in the series, to deliberately to show us that, even though others thought her to be a fraud, Trelawney truly had the gift.
 
I still think the person who was supposed to do magic late in life was Petunia. There just seems to have been a lot hinted at where she was concerned.

I cling to that idea too... I felt there was a lot that pointed to her. I felt like there would have been more to their goodbyes too- don't get me wrong, I was happy with the whole Dudley thing and thought that was perfect, but I kinda felt she would pop up again later in the book. :confused3
 
I still think the person who was supposed to do magic late in life was Petunia. There just seems to have been a lot hinted at where she was concerned.

I cling to that idea too... I felt there was a lot that pointed to her. I felt like there would have been more to their goodbyes too- don't get me wrong, I was happy with the whole Dudley thing and thought that was perfect, but I kinda felt she would pop up again later in the book. :confused3

Again ... from awhile ago ... before HP&DH and, if I'm not mistaken, even before HBP was released, I think!

From jkrowling.com "Rumors" section:

Rumor: Aunt Petunia will start exhibiting magical tendencies.
JKR Answer: No, she won't. Aunt Petunia has never performed magic, nor will she ever be able to do so.
 
I still think the person who was supposed to do magic late in life was Petunia. There just seems to have been a lot hinted at where she was concerned.

But what magic did she do? Unless... hey, is that how she kept that place so shockingly clean??:rotfl2:
 
Have to disagree w/this. JKR has reasons for putting things in her book. Putting the part about Trelawney telling Neville to pick a blue cup b/c he was going to break the pink cup was to show us that Trelawney DID have the gift of foreseeing the future and wasn't the fraud that others deemed her to be.
Everyone thought she was a fraud but she managed to get a few things right ... esp. at the end of of HBP, where she's reading the cards and she states "Again and again, no matter how I lay them out --" And she pulled a card dramatically from underneath her shawls. "--the lightning-struck tower," she whispered. "Calamity. Disaster. Coming nearer all the time ...". She's read the cards accurately based on what occurs after the Death Eaters invade the castle. JKR put that part about Neville breaking the cup in book 3, early on in the series, to deliberately to show us that, even though others thought her to be a fraud, Trelawney truly had the gift.
We can agree to disagree on her. I do think she got a couple of things right, (notably the prophesy about Harry and the one he observed her making).
She also asked Neville if his grandmother was well after her attention was drawn to him when he almost toppled off his pouffle (or what ever her chairs were) in the first class. When he said he thought his grandma was well, her reply was that he should not be too sure. So, maybe she could 'see' that he had a grandmother (or maybe she was just lucky in saying it because, after all, everyone has or had a grandma), but nothing happened to the grandma that we are told about, so did she really say anything that showed she 'saw'?
I do think the teacup part was put in purposely, but more to highlight Neville than to highlight Trelawney. Neville was already known as kind of a clumsy, not very good wizard and had been in her class for a while by that time. I don't think it took much foreseeing to tell he might break his cup just from observing him for a few seconds (much less half a semester). Did he break the teacup because she foretold it? Or did he break a teacup because she made him nervous about breaking one?
Is she right in forseeing the things in the HBP because she's foreseeing them or because she's always foretelling bad things to happen?
Since she's always seeing Grims and ominous things, it's hard to know when she's seeing them because they are really there or when they are just illussions.
I guess I'll be Hermione and leave the class. You can stay in Divinations. I'll still be friends. I'll just be dropping that class.
 
She also asked Neville if his grandmother was well after her attention was drawn to him when he almost toppled off his pouffle (or what ever her chairs were) in the first class. When he said he thought his grandma was well, her reply was that he should not be too sure. So, maybe she could 'see' that he had a grandmother (or maybe she was just lucky in saying it because, after all, everyone has or had a grandma), but nothing happened to the grandma that we are told about, so did she really say anything that showed she 'saw'?
It was prob. a 50-50 shot on Trelawney's part. What if Neville didn't have a Grandma? We'd have automatically figured she was a clueless nutter and would've ignored her further rantings, right!? Lucky guess? Maybe! But, I think we needed those predictions to "come true" so we wouldn't think the lady a total whacko. She had to have some credibility esp. if JKR wanted us to buy the prophecy.

I do think the teacup part was put in purposely, but more to highlight Neville than to highlight Trelawney. Neville was already known as kind of a clumsy, not very good wizard and had been in her class for a while by that time. I don't think it took much foreseeing to tell he might break his cup just from observing him for a few seconds (much less half a semester). Did he break the teacup because she foretold it? Or did he break a teacup because she made him nervous about breaking one?
The breaking of the teacup happened on the first day of Divination ... not after Neville was in her class awhile. Now, remember that Trelawney didn't mix with the staff and rarely left her room so I doubt she'd have tremendous knowledge about new students as she didn't mingle w/the faculty.

As for Neville falling off the chair, I interpreted it more b/c he was caught by surprise. In the book it reads:
Professor Trelawney went on, her enormous, gleaming eyes moving from face to nervous face. "It is a Gift granted to few. You, boy," she said suddenly to Neville, who almost toppled off of his pouf. "Is your grandmother well?"

Sounds to me like Neville fell out of his chair b/c she surprised him. We're told that all the students in the class are nervous to begin with. And, if you're nervous and the teacher surprises you with a "You, boy," I'm sure you'd prob. jump out of your seat as well! Esp. if you're not expecting to be called on right in the middle of her speech.

Is she right in forseeing the things in the HBP because she's foreseeing them or because she's always foretelling bad things to happen?
Since she's always seeing Grims and ominous things, it's hard to know when she's seeing them because they are really there or when they are just illussions.
I don't know ... she called Hermione leaving the class as well as a few other things. They very well could've been lucky guesses over her own visions, I'll give you that. However, the prediction about the lightening in the tower, etc. from HBP, she was reading the cards ... the cards were telling her what would happen -- not her own "visions". Same w/the Grim ... it wasn't her vision ... it was how she read the leaves. I am sure you could argue that she misinterpreted everything, though.

I guess I'll be Hermione and leave the class. You can stay in Divinations. I'll still be friends. I'll just be dropping that class.
I'm not a fan of Divination myself so I won't be staying in Trelawney's class either. Telling the future is something that I, personally, don't buy into. See you in potions class and, of course we'll still be friends!!!!

ETA -- I'm sure that, like any "seer", she's got a 50-50 chance of getting some things right.
 
MORE NEWS ... that I had inadvertently left out re. the person who was supposed to do magic later in life! Here's the full quote from JKR with the new info. bolded:

Snapedinhalf: You promised that someone will do magic late in life in book 7. I’ve now read it three times but cant work out who it might have been! Please help!!

J.K. Rowling: I’m sorry about this, but I changed my mind!
J.K. Rowling: My very earliest plan for the story involved somebody managing to get to Hogwarts when they had never done magic before, but I had changed my mind by the time I’d written the third book.
So, there is def. no way it could've been Petunia or Merope b/c it sounds like she's referring to a younger character.
 
I think from that interview that the person that learned to do magic later in life was someone unknown to us. She said after that quote that she was going to have someone come to Hogwarts later then usual or something like that. She has said many times that Dudley and Petunia would not do magic ever.
 
I think from that interview that the person that learned to do magic later in life was someone unknown to us. She said after that quote that she was going to have someone come to Hogwarts later then usual or something like that. She has said many times that Dudley and Petunia would not do magic ever.

From her quote, it does sound like she was going to introduce an entirely new character but abandoned that idea after all.

I still think it would be fun for Dudley to have done magic, but I'm very satisfied with how she wrapped up the Dursleys. I like the idea that Dudley showed a bit of humanity in the end and for all the years I couldn't stand that kid, he did redeem himself a bit in the end for me.
 
But what magic did she do? Unless... hey, is that how she kept that place so shockingly clean??:rotfl2:

She didn't do any. JKR has said she changed her mind about having some do magic late in life and never put it in.
 
I think from that interview that the person that learned to do magic later in life was someone unknown to us. She said after that quote that she was going to have someone come to Hogwarts later then usual or something like that. She has said many times that Dudley and Petunia would not do magic ever.

But I believe she said this somewhere near the middle of the series. If this was an idea that she decided against by the 3rd book it still could have been Dudley or Petunia.
 
One question I've been meaning to ask you guys:

What was Colin Creevey still doing at Hogwarts? Wasn't he Muggle born? I thought I remember his father being a mailman or some such?

(forgive me if this has been discussed, I haven't read all 55 pages of this thread, even though I intend to at some point)
 















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