Half the street shuttered – Now that’s MAGIC!!

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by hopemax

As a guest, which would you prefer? Attractions closing early, or something else?

None of the above it's not my problem I paid full price for the Ticket.

 

[KNWVIKING]

Half the threads I read here people complain and poke fun at all the stores in MK that sell nothing put worthless stuff,all rides exit into the gift shop, Pressler did this,did that,etc,etc.....

Now WDW is going to close some of these very stores early- possibly ,as hopemax posted, as a means to keep rides open- and we still complain.

 

[hopemax]

See, I thought that too, but I was misinformed, I have been informed that Disney is a business and all that ticket guarantees is admission if the park is open, during non-special events. The ticket is no guarantee that the park will have attractions, shops, restaurants, entertainment or minimum hours.

If the park is open, and you are admitted, the obligation is fulfilled! It's only out of the goodness of Disney's heart that all those other things are provided, and because at some point the crazy dead guys thought it would be good business to actually provide something once you clicked through the turnstyle.

So since you are not entitled to attractions or anything else, if you could gratiously request that WDW operates either attractions or shops & restaurants, which would you prefer?

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by hopemax
So since you are not entitled to attractions or anything else, if you could gratiously request that WDW operates either attractions or shops & restaurants, which would you prefer?

See I don't play by those limits. I would just not go...hence my absence from DW until they fix their problems.


KNWVIKING-I think if you look back you will see most people are upset with TDS not the shops in the parks. As it turns out the shops in the parks are the only places where you can now get certain Disney items. I've never really complained about a ride exiting into a shop. In fact I sort of like it.

 

[blackshirt]

These cuts are just another of the seemingly neverending examples of the short sightedness of today's Disney(Eisner) Disney offered excellent incentives to visit this summer(out of desperation, IMO, or the possibility of empty resorts) Now, when people respond with reservations and money to spend, do you do your best to WOW them as much as possible? Heck no, those suckers have already paid, cut back even more, have a GREAT quarter, get that stock price up just enough to exercise those options or to sell what you have(Eisner). Will those customers be back any time soon? Nope, but who cares, we won't be working here a few years from now. Let the new guys worry about how to save the parks.
I hope my reasoning is faulty somewhere along the line, but the trends( One thing I'm good at is trends) don't look good.

 

[C.Ann]

I think I have to agree with the theory that if you pay a certain price for the "whole" of the parks - then that is what you should be getting.. Isn't the initial price based on ALL they have to offer?

For some people the entire highlight of their trip is browsing through the shops at the end of the day and picking up this doo-dad or that.. I mean who wants to lug them around all day because you can't make your purchases on the way out? And yes - I know - there are lockers - FOR A FEE..

And what about the folks that like to have a late meal? Seems the PS's are also having an early cut off now..

I don't think people should have to pick "either/or".. When they purchase their tickets they base their decision as to whether or not they are getting an equal value for that money on EVERYTHING in the parks - not just the rides.. Believe me - not everyone is a ride fanatic and I happen to be one who isn't.. I admittedly don't buy a lot of souveniers in the parks but browsing in those shops on the way out is EVERY bit as enjoyable to me as the rides are to the "riders"..

The riders and the non-riders should have equal access to whatever is in the parks.. After all, they DID pay the same price for their tickets - didn't they?????

 

[hopemax]

First, y'all know I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. Personally, I've taken the stance, "let me know when you are able to run full hours for attractions, shops, restaurants and entertainment, and I MAY consider visiting again."

I think I have to agree with the theory that if you pay a certain price for the "whole" of the parks - then that is what you should be getting.. Isn't the initial price based on ALL they have to offer?

And where is the "whole" of the parks defined, and what is ALL? Is there anything, anywhere that spells out that admission to the MK entitles you to a certain number of rides, shops & restaurants or is it still only an assumption on your part?

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by hopemax
And where is the "whole" of the parks defined, and what is ALL? Is there anything, anywhere that spells out that admission to the MK entitles you to a certain number of rides, shops & restaurants or is it still only an assumption on your part?

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I think it's quite clearly "defined" in all of their advertisements, brochures, maps to the parks, their own web site, "Come-Spend-Your-Money-At-Disney" videos, and on and on..

I don't recall any of those things stating "these are optional features (at our discretion) and NOT included in your admission price.."

I think that's a pretty clear definition of ALL - and not an "assumption" by any means..

 

[KNWVIKING]

"KNWVIKING-I think if you look back you will see most people are upset with TDS not the shops in the parks. "


Recent threads have been pretty critical of TDS and for good reason. I was refering mostly to the posts in general thruout various thread topics where people take potshots at all shops WDW is opening.

 

[mickey2001]

Remember that most of the FTP people going are new to Disney and very excited to be going for a first time visit or one in a long absence of time. Disney figures these new guests will know no better and wont care! Whats a few complaints from the regulars that get filed in the trash.
Disney thinks it makes perfectly good business for a company that needs money fast! The thing that worries me with a smaller staff and somewhat larger crowds will be security at the parks!

 

[KNWVIKING]

"I think it's quite clearly "defined" in all of their advertisements, brochures, maps to the parks, their own web site, "Come-Spend-Your-Money-At-Disney" videos, and on and on..

I don't recall any of those things stating "these are optional features (at our discretion) and NOT included in your admission price.."

I think that's a pretty clear definition of ALL - and not an "assumption" by any means.."


So when I go in Dec and Blizzard Beach is closed I can expect a discount on my UPH because a portion of ALL is closed ?

Of course I'm being facitious but Disney park passes do not guarantee you that anything will be open when you get there, but obviously it's in everybodies best interest that as much as possible IS open.

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
"I think it's quite clearly "defined" in all of their advertisements, brochures, maps to the parks, their own web site, "Come-Spend-Your-Money-At-Disney" videos, and on and on..

I don't recall any of those things stating "these are optional features (at our discretion) and NOT included in your admission price.."

I think that's a pretty clear definition of ALL - and not an "assumption" by any means.."


So when I go in Dec and Blizzard Beach is closed I can expect a discount on my UPH because a portion of ALL is closed ?

Of course I'm being facitious but Disney park passes do not guarantee you that anything will be open when you get there, but obviously it's in everybodies best interest that as much as possible IS open.

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I think you're comparing apples to oranges.. Rehabs such as BB are EXPECTED - and usually announced MONTHS in advance..

Do you really think they are going to ANNOUNCE these new closures in advance of people arriving (who are fully expecting these things to be opened)? From what has been posted on these boards people have only learned about the PS's upon calling - and I see nothing on Disney's official site announcing the early closure of restaurants and shops..

Perhaps Disney would do well to abide by my late father's Golden Rule - "You never get a SECOND chance to make a FIRST impression.."

 

[Pinnie]

I am pretty sure this all boils down to staffing.

Face it, CMs were cut to the bone and now with the advent of the summer promotions taking off, I think they are being caught short.

I have friends that work in the Mechantile at WL and all FT CMs are REQUIRED to work 6 days and all PT CMS are on a 5 day a week schedule. They are being pulled to retail areas all over the resorts and parks.

I do believe that staffing will be given priority at resorts.

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[KNWVIKING]

"I think you're comparing apples to oranges.. Rehabs such as BB are EXPECTED - and usually announced MONTHS in advance.."

As I stated, I wasn't serious about the anology, I was just following up with the proposal hopemax made about park media.

Sometimes it is difficult to remember that the majority of the posters on this board love Disney. Every time Disney does anything, it gets ripped to shreads. Spinner ride addition-cheap. EE- not a family ride.PG-13 movie-blasphamy.M:S- whatever it cost,it wasn't enough,plus Disney had to get HP to build it. No matter what the topic, it has to get a negative view. Come on,WDW is closing stores that will suck cash out of your pocket.That's BAD ???? If they are doing this because of manpower shortages you would think the evil ME would shut down rides rather then stores because the only cash you're getting from SM is what falls out of peoples pockets.

It easy to understand why Safari Steve quite posting here.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
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Sometimes it is difficult to remember that the majority of the posters on this board love Disney. Every time Disney does anything, it gets ripped to shreads.

It easy to understand why Safari Steve quite posting here.

OH please! There are far more "Disney can do no wrong posters" here then there are "Disney is going to hell in a handbasket" and you know it.

...and there is no such thing as a manpower shortage in Flordia durning summer.

 

[KNWVIKING]

"OH please! There are far more "Disney can do no wrong posters" here then there are "Disney is going to hell in a handbasket" and you know it."


NO I don't know it. I feel the car 3-4's are by far the most vocal on this board. And whenever a car 1 person tries to express their opinion they become the target of snid comments and wind up saying to hell with this board and go elsewhere. Post a trip report here that state everything was perfect. It will be on page 2 before lunch time. But post a misleading topic such as "Disney to young moviegoers: GET LOST " and it will go for weeks.

"...and there is no such thing as a manpower shortage in Flordia durning summer."

manpower-no. good manpower- yes.

 

[Peter Pirate]

OH please! There are far more "Disney can do no wrong posters here' than there are 'Disney is going to hell in a handbasket' posters and you know it.

Are you serious? Here on the rumors & news board?

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
. good manpower- yes.

Was this the same no-good-manpower they have been letting go over the past 3 years? Wonder what changed? They were good enough to be working for Disney when the money was flowing in. Now it's tough to get good help?

Are you serious? Here on the rumors & news board?

Regular posters here? I'd say about 50/50. Blow the whistle and suddenly you will see "Disney Rose Colored Glasses" all over this place.

 

[KNWVIKING]

"Was this the same no-good-manpower they have been letting go over the past 3 years? Wonder what changed? They were good enough to be working for Disney when the money was flowing in. Now it's tough to get good help?"

I didn't say why there wasn't good manpower. I agree,Disney's past lay-offs have cost them a great asset- qualified,dedicated,enthusiastic workers. These people are working for Gaylord Palms,Seaworld and several other top-notch places.

"Regular posters here? I'd say about 50/50. Blow the whistle and suddenly you will see "Disney Rose Colored Glasses" all over this place."

eh, more like 60-40 negative.

Explain "Blow the whistle" .... I don't get it.

 

[C.Ann]

I think the problem here is that the minute anyone says ANYTHING negative about Disney, the die-hard I'll-put-up-with-anything-fans just automatically assume we are totally anti-Disney..

Nothing could be further from the truth.. It's quite possible to love Disney - yet at the same time view it without the rose colored glasses and worry about where it - and it's image - are headed..

I LOVE coffee - but I dislike cold coffee..

I LOVE my DH - but there are some little quirks he has that I really dislike.

I LOVE my van - but it's been having some problems off and on lately.. Does that mean I would never buy that same kind again? Not necessarily...

I LOVE Disney.. But do I think they're in BIG trouble and only making matters worse for themselves? You bet your life I do...

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By the way - I'm headed back to Disney World in December!!