Gun Found at AK - Updated Post#25 Guest Found Loaded Gun

[geauxlsutigers]

Can I ask why you carry a gun on your person?

Can I ask you why you don't? Do you live in an ultra safe neighbor in a city where violent crime is unheard of?

I also have a Concealed Carry Permit and carry most of the time when I'm out in public. I know people in my community who were robbed, carjacked, beaten and raped. Their stories frighten me and I choose to arm myself so that I can defend myself should the need arise.

I respect someone who makes the decision not to arm themselves. It's not for everyone. I've taken about 50 hours of classroom training and spent hundreds of hours practicing to use my weapon in a responsible manner. If you're convinced that you'll never be confronted by an armed criminal or if you are satisfied to trust him or her to be reasonable in their use of force again you than don't carry.

All I ask is that people who don't choose to carry respect my decision to legally carry a weapon.

Guns are dangerous things. So are automobiles. More people died in Auto accidents than in shooting incidents every year. On numerous occasions I've witnessed people driving carelessly in WDW. Guns and Automobiles should both be used in a safe and responsible manner.

 

[geauxlsutigers]

1. Common sense that all theme parks (similar and not so similar to Disney) will not permit weapons. People need to read signs! They are not there as a decoration!
2. Most police will not relinquish their weapons (article does not identify this man as police). Just saying and I don't know if Disney has a policy to address this but most hospitals do.
3. WDW needs metal detectors in today's day and age. Won't please most with hold ups but safety should always be #1.

1) I have a Concealed Carry Permit so I'm in the habit of checking for signs on places that don't want me carrying in their establishments. Chucky Cheese Pizza Parlors have signs that you can't miss. Circle K gas stations do too. Walt Disney World does not. I go twice a year and look but have never seen a sign. There may be one off to the side somewhere but I've never seen one and I look. It may be printed on the back of the ticket but who reads the back of their ticket?! I've never carried in WDW because it's just too uncomfortable getting in and out of rides with a gun in your pocket or waistband but I can assure you that I've been trained well enough that if I did, I and everyone around me would be completely safe.
2) I think off duty police officers SHOULD carry their weapons at ALL times.
3) If your wish comes true I hope that there's a Fast Pass for the Metal Detector!

 

[mvk]

Guns and Automobiles should both be used in a safe and responsible manner.

The sole intent of an automobile isn't to hurt/maim/kill. Comparing guns to automobiles is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Sir Aaron]

3. WDW needs metal detectors in today's day and age. Won't please most with hold ups but safety should always be #1.

Metal detectors are useless if you don't also x-ray bags. And sorry, I'm not waiting in 4 hour lines to get into the parks.

 

[Sir Aaron]

2) I think off duty police officers SHOULD carry their weapons at ALL times.

We need some time off too. Plus, even holsters aren't designed for carry on roller coasters and water rides.

If I carry my firearm, I should also carry my handcuffs. I just can't realistically do that for 10+ hours at WDW.

A lot of off duty LEOs carry their firearm inside Disney despite knowing the policy. Some people feat they could be robbed in the parking lot or another Fort Hood type shooting.

This guy was interesting. He didn't have a round in the chamber...that is not how a LEO is trained to carry. IF you are going to carry you need to be combat loaded.

 

[foxtrotter]

Because he can.

Thank you for saying what my very first thought was the moment I read the post you were responding to. I even said it out loud (to my dog): "Because he can."

But yeah, it's very irresponsible to leave your weapon behind on a ride. He must not have known how Dinosaur throws you around or I can't imagine he would have taken the risk of having a loose (I read it was just in his back pocket, no holster?) weapon on such a ride.

 

[AmyB2006]

The sole intent of an automobile isn't to hurt/maim/kill. Comparing guns to automobiles is like comparing apples to oranges.

Which is a typical defense to that statement, and I would agree that the sole intent of a gun is to kill another human being. However, guns don't go off without the trigger being pulled. And there's usually about 4 pounds of pressure (minimum with certain types, more with others) needed to pull that trigger. It's not like in the movies where someone drops a gun and it goes off. That's Hollywood. Someone has to pull the trigger.

So that comparison comes into play because someone has to be behind the wheel just like someone has to pull the trigger. They can both be dangerous in the wrong hands.

 

[ChipnDale79]

Which is a typical defense to that statement, and I would agree that the sole intent of a gun is to kill another human being. However, guns don't go off without the trigger being pulled. And there's usually about 4 pounds of pressure (minimum with certain types, more with others) needed to pull that trigger. It's not like in the movies where someone drops a gun and it goes off. That's Hollywood. Someone has to pull the trigger.

So that comparison comes into play because someone has to be behind the wheel just like someone has to pull the trigger. They can both be dangerous in the wrong hands.

Wrong, comparing guns and any other object like a car, is like comparing apples and oranges.

The sole purpose of the invention and manufacture of a gun is to kill. Do we use them for sport? Yes we do, but it's hard to argue against what the main purpose of a gun is.

A car was invented to get you from point A to point B. Are they dangerous? You bet they are. Can they be used as a weapon, you bet they can be. But it's not why they were created and its not how almost every car made is used for.

I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, what I do have a problem with is when a gun owner's irresponsibility puts others in danger.

Failure to secure a weapon such as this person did, should result in fines and/or jail time. Simple as that.

 

[jadelane1]

Bottom line is this man was a total @&$. Some people are not very smart. These kinds of people are the ones who should not be able to obtain or carry guns. But unfortunately there is no way to screen for stupidy. He should loose all his permits for being so reckless. I don't blame the guns just the people. Don't get me wrong, I don't think people should be able to bring guns in any theme park and I do believe Disney should install metal detectors. I know I would fell a lot better.

 

[AmyB2006]

Wrong, comparing guns and any other object like a car, is like comparing apples and oranges.

The sole purpose of the invention and manufacture of a gun is to kill. Do we use them for sport? Yes we do, but it's hard to argue against what the main purpose of a gun is.

A car was invented to get you from point A to point B. Are they dangerous? You bet they are. Can they be used as a weapon, you bet they can be. But it's not why they were created and its not how almost every car made is used for.

I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, what I do have a problem with is when a gun owner's irresponsibility puts others in danger.

Failure to secure a weapon such as this person did, should result in fines and/or jail time. Simple as that.

I thought I said I agreed for the most part, so not sure why you're rebuttal statement starts off with WRONG. LOL I'm just trying to point out why some people make the comparison. But if you don't want to see a different point of view, that's fine.

I agree with everything you said except your last statement. Maybe fines or loss of license. But jail time? No. People do a lot worse than that and don't get jail time so I'm not sure where you came up with that one.

ETA... Sorry, I went back and reread my post, I must have edited it and left out the "I agree" portion of that. LOL I do agree that the comparison probably isn't a fair one, but again was just pointing out why people do.

 

[Pseudacris]

Which is a typical defense to that statement, and I would agree that the sole intent of a gun is to kill another human being. However, guns don't go off without the trigger being pulled. And there's usually about 4 pounds of pressure (minimum with certain types, more with others) needed to pull that trigger. It's not like in the movies where someone drops a gun and it goes off. That's Hollywood. Someone has to pull the trigger.

So that comparison comes into play because someone has to be behind the wheel just like someone has to pull the trigger. They can both be dangerous in the wrong hands.

Tell that to the hole that went through 2 walls in my house as a kid because my grandmother was changing the bed linens where a handgun was stored under the mattress. Or mechanical failure of a gun-it happens too.

Sometimes it happens. You see accidental discharge in the news all the time-adults, kids, even police officers who are presumably trained much better than civilians.

 

[ChipnDale79]

I thought I said I agreed for the most part, so not sure why you're rebuttal statement starts off with WRONG. LOL I'm just trying to point out why some people make the comparison. But if you don't want to see a different point of view, that's fine.

I agree with everything you said except your last statement. Maybe fines or loss of license. But jail time? No. People do a lot worse than that and don't get jail time so I'm not sure where you came up with that one.

Sorry I misread your post, my apologies.

 

[AmyB2006]

Tell that to the hole that went through 2 walls in my house as a kid because my grandmother was changing the bed linens where a handgun was stored under the mattress. Or mechanical failure of a gun-it happens too.

Sometimes it happens. You see accidental discharge in the news all the time-adults, kids, even police officers who are presumably trained much better than civilians.

No doubt. But the trigger has to be pulled. All I'm saying is guns don't just "go off" without the trigger being pulled.

 

[donalduck]

I guess you have a point.

If no one had an opinion the Dis would be boring.

 

[donalduck]

there are no signs at disney about weapons it's only on there website.

1. Common sense that all theme parks (similar and not so similar to Disney) will not permit weapons. People need to read signs! They are not there as a decoration!
2. Most police will not relinquish their weapons (article does not identify this man as police). Just saying and I don't know if Disney has a policy to address this but most hospitals do.
3. WDW needs metal detectors in today's day and age. Won't please most with hold ups but safety should always be #1.

 

[NYDisGuy]

No one will ever persuade me that it's reasonable to carry a gun in Disney. The place has it's own police force in every park and is a button push away from stopping an immediate threat. Carrying a gun in a dangerous situation there will only lead to someone with vigilante fantasies to pull it out and cause more harm than good.

 

[donalduck]

me either

Metal detectors are useless if you don't also x-ray bags. And sorry, I'm not waiting in 4 hour lines to get into the parks.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Here come the metal detectors

 

[Pseudacris]

No doubt. But the trigger has to be pulled. All I'm saying is guns don't just "go off" without the trigger being pulled.

If it can be accidentally pulled somehow by a bedsheet, then it is still accident enough that it might as well have fallen and gone off. (Now, I will say that it is quite possible that this pistol was older than the gun act of 1968, so very well could've been a hair trigger as well).

I've been around guns my whole life-grew up in a hunting household, my moms family is made up of police officers. I'm just trying to be realistic here--guns go off plenty when a person does not mean for it to happen. When using a gun, one should treat it as if any little thing could make it discharge, just in case. Mechanical failure does occur.

 

[kristenrice]

In regards to any violation of laws in this case...

If Disney prohibits weapons (guns, in this case) on their property, did this gentleman violate the condition of his CPL by knowingly carrying his weapon into an establishment that prohibits them?

DH is a police officer in his 23rd year on the department. Here in Michigan, anyone with a CPL who brings their weapon into a private establishment where they are prohibited (Chuck E. Cheese, like a PP mentioned, for example) would have their CPL revoked because it is a violation of the permit.

I don't want to engage in any sort of gun debate because this is a free country and everyone is entitled to their opinions. My view is this: Law-abiding citizens will not use a handgun to commit a crime...criminals will. A law (or increased security) will not prevent a criminal from using a handgun to injure or kill someone. What that law (or increased security) will do is prevent a law-abiding citizen from having the ability to defend themselves or others. I would hate to be in a Chuck E. Cheese and have a criminal walk in and start shooting, knowing that anyone legally allowed to shoot back had to leave their weapon in the car because they obeyed the law. Don't think for one second that a person intending to commit a crime with a gun doesn't realize where they are "safe". If more citizens chose to legally arm themselves (take the class, get the training and practice responsibility and safety), perhaps criminals would think twice before pulling a gun on someone.

The great thing about this country is that everyone has the right to their opinions. Thanks to the Second Ammendment, we also have the freedom to own a gun to defend ourselves. Not everyone wants to exercise that right and that is their prerogative. It's a free country.