GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[Heigh-Ho]

Yes. Or barring that, there should be no interstate travel until ALL states have numbers under control. (I realize the 1st isn't feasible,esp. in a state like N Dakota where there are few people or cases) It's interstate travel that is creating this viscious circle,which is why I CANNOT understand why ANYONE here thinks one state is different from another? As long as there is free and easy travel throughout this country,it will continue to spread and grow.
---FWIW---- While we in the tristate area were on lockdown, we saw plenty of footage of open beaches and bars and spring break parties going on in FL. It's just what happened. So,no back in the spring there was a lax response on the part of some states. It was horrifying to watch.
That said.... I don't care what state I'm from..... traveling to any of the others enhances the spread.

I actually agree with you. I don't know that anyone is denying spread occurs that way especially in places where metropolitan cross state lines. But nothing is going to be perfect and even in the tri-state area they recognized that travel between the states was going to exist. They mitigated it just like other areas are doing as well. Maybe that's where things got confused between the discussions? There's no denying spread happens between states, there's just the recognition (from at least several people) of why actually mandating and regulating across all the states may not really be a viable solution. You work with what you got basically.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Your lack of knowledge of current events is amusing, LJ.

Since you don't know me I'll side-step that first comment or you're utilizing our own bias and reading into my words what you want to. But as to your "LJ" comment you got me there don't have a clue what that is supposed to mean.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Kentucky adds a quarantine for people visiting Florida.

 

[anthony2k7]

Kentucky adds a quarantine for people visiting Florida.

Surely more to follow?

Also Bahamas bans travel from USA.

 

[sam_gordon]

Kentucky adds a quarantine for people visiting Florida.

It's not mandatory, it's recommended (unless something has changed since 4p yesterday). And it's for any state that has a 15% or higher positive rate. I think they listed 12(?) states.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Also Bahamas bans travel from USA.

And I don't blame them. The Caribbean and other island nations are in a precarious situations just like they were/are with the cruise industry. While they desperately need tourism they also desperately need to protect their very very vulnerable populations.

According to an article I read "International commercial flights and commercial vessels carrying passengers will not be permitted to enter our borders, except for commercial flights from Canada, the United Kingdom, and the European Union. Tourists from Canada, the United Kingdom and the European Union must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test within 10 days of their arrival in the Bahamas."

 

[SaintsManiac]

Most other countries would use their military for tasks like this. I gather Americans get a little alarmed at the concept of their military being used within their own country though?

The National Guard is always here for disaster type scenarios, hurricane aftermath, etc. They're helping with testing in Louisiana right now. They always show up and I do not get alarmed when I see them assisting the community.

 

[butterscotchcollins]

I actually agree with you. I don't know that anyone is denying spread occurs that way especially in places where metropolitan cross state lines. But nothing is going to be perfect and even in the tri-state area they recognized that travel between the states was going to exist. They mitigated it just like other areas are doing as well. Maybe that's where things got confused between the discussions? There's no denying spread happens between states, there's just the recognition (from at least several people) of why actually mandating and regulating across all the states may not really be a viable solution. You work with what you got basically.

Something we haven't discussed: spread from metropolitan areas within the same state. See: rich people living in Manhattan and escaping to their country homes upstate (or elsewhere), bringing the virus with them. Or just the fact that some states are HUGE with densely populated urban areas, suburbs, and sparsely populated rural areas all within 2 hours of each other. In Milan, they locked down the entire region and you could not travel elsewhere in the country until (i memory serves me) end of May/beginning of June. That's also pretty extreme, but effective, but I think I'd freak out a little bit if I couldn't leave the city limits. How would we enforce something like that?

 

[anthony2k7]

So latest numbers cases are down below 10,000! So if we believe that headline number Florida seems to be somehow defeating the virus by doing nothing!

Oh, and near record number of deaths again. Shh. Don't mention those though ok?

 

[RamblingMad]

So latest numbers cases are down below 10,000! So if we believe that headline number Florida seems to be somehow defeating the virus by doing nothing!

Oh, and near record number of deaths again. Shh. Don't mention those though ok?

So if you have too many cases, you're testing too much. If you have a low number of cases, then you're obviously not testing enough?

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Something we haven't discussed: spread from metropolitan areas within the same state. See: rich people living in Manhattan and escaping to their country homes upstate (or elsewhere), bringing the virus with them. Or just the fact that some states are HUGE with densely populated urban areas, suburbs, and sparsely populated rural areas all within 2 hours of each other. In Milan, they locked down the entire region and you could not travel elsewhere in the country until (i memory serves me) end of May/beginning of June. That's also pretty extreme, but effective, but I think I'd freak out a little bit if I couldn't leave the city limits. How would we enforce something like that?

Definitely agree with you there!

 

[anthony2k7]

So if you have too many cases, you're testing too much. If you have a low number of cases, then you're obviously not testing enough?

Unless the wait time for results is down to at most a couple of days then all the test numbers are probably nonsense anyway.

 

[cakebaker]

So latest numbers cases are down below 10,000! So if we believe that headline number Florida seems to be somehow defeating the virus by doing nothing!

Oh, and near record number of deaths again. Shh. Don't mention those though ok?

There's nothing encouraging about the under 10k number. They only did 77k tests and the pop is over 13.5%. Add to that, the reduced testing is undoubtedly due to having to wait hours in line, not being able to be tested at all and then taking forever to get those results back.

In my state, we're going on 4 days now with no count at all. The state claims they're having technical difficulties, but most people believe our Covid positive gov just wants to drag his feet since our numbers were skyrocketing. I guess he thinks what we don't know won't hurt him.

 

[jlwhitney]

So latest numbers cases are down below 10,000! So if we believe that headline number Florida seems to be somehow defeating the virus by doing nothing!

Oh, and near record number of deaths again. Shh. Don't mention those though ok?

it is because every spike does the same thing rapid rise, plateau and then decline. It’s based on basic epidemic science, but this will get flammed I’m sure . Yes we can control some by actions but even doing nothing there will be a decline. The deaths will start declining again in a couple weeks, since those are now for some of the higher days.

 

[cakebaker]

it is because every spike does the same thing rapid rise, plateau and then decline. It’s based on basic epidemic science, but this will get flammed I’m sure . Yes we can control some by actions but even doing nothing there will be a decline. The deaths will start declining again in a couple weeks, since those are now for some of the higher days.

The number declined because there were fewer tests. Death rates are up because people are finally getting around to dying after weeks of spiking. I don’t see the deaths declining anytime soon. Let’s see what the numbers are when we get back to 100k tests being run. No flames, just facts.

 

[kymom99]

But the man power WOULD be a hindrance because whatever agency would be responsible for blocking all the roads do not have enough on staff to accomplish that. Could they hire thousands, if not tens of thousands more? I guess. But that's not going to be anything quick either, much less train them.

As has been said previously, policing license plates is also problematic because of the "essential workers" that work in one state and live in another. And read PP's comment that their "normal" (ie: closer) stores might be across the border.

You're only focused on people taking vacations. What about the essential employees who live in one state and work in another? Are they allowed to cross the border? Assuming so, that makes the license plate checks difficult.


I agree limiting travel would help stop the spread. What I and others are saying though is the practical aspects of doing so are not as clear cut. PP brought up "look at Hawaii", which is what prompted this entire thing. But they're comparing a state that relies on air transportation for anyone to get there. Trying to compare Hawaii to the continental US is apple to kumquats.

Not to mention the safety of those trying to enforce such a thing on rural roads especially.

In the part of the state where I live, not only do many work in Ohio, they also license their vehicles there if possible to avoid the higher Kentucky taxes. Also at the beginning of all this mess, when people from NY were not allowed here without quarantine, I saw a vehicle with New York plates driving down the road. So let’s be honest, we can ask but it’s awfully tricky to enforce.

 

[jlwhitney]

The number declined because there were fewer tests. Death rates are up because people are finally getting around to dying after weeks of spiking. I don’t see the deaths declining anytime soon. Let’s see what the numbers are when we get back to 100k tests being run. No flames, just facts.

we shall see, I’ll still take the side we have hit the plateau part , just a matter of how long till we see a true decline.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I’ll throw my state of TN under the bus as well...our governor just “trusts people will do the right thing”

Oh my goodness. He expects them to behave responsibly instead of threatening them into compliance?

My family was supposed to go to Barcelona August 10-17. Obviously that’s not happening now but I have been SUPER frustrated with AirB&B’s ridiculous cumbersome process to get a refund. Our host in Barcelona was like “the borders are open! Should you choose not to come I can only offer you a 60 percent refund”. Yeah. Because they are just letting Americans in by the truckload. But AirB&b itself is making you provide specific documentation as to why you are canceling...as if they don’t have any idea about the news and the EU’s bans on Americans. It’s cumbersome and obnoxious and I’m disgusted with them.

I know folks who have lost money on their European AirB&B accommodations. Not sure if it was a percentage or everything.

 

[mom2rtk]

Your lack of knowledge of current events is amusing, LJ.

Ironic coming from you, SJ et al.

 

[godisney14]

Oh my goodness. He expects them to behave responsibly instead of threatening them into compliance?

Yea, I know. Kind of like with FL.