GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[cakebaker]

The books are already being cooked, it's just gonna be different people doing it now!

Denied data or not, it’s going to be hard to hide those refrigerator trucks filled with dead bodies.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Denied data or not, it’s going to be hard to hide those refrigerator trucks filled with dead bodies.

Or the cell phone alerts telling people that hospitals are full and not to come.

 

[anthony2k7]

Denied data or not, it’s going to be hard to hide those refrigerator trucks filled with dead bodies.

Yep.

I remember in January/Feb when china were publishing their low death numbers there were a few things that contradicted their numbers such as pallet and pallets of urns delivered into wuhan where there were several animal incinerator trucks parked up around the city. Also one of the mobile networks published their financial update which showed a noticeable % drop (i cant remember the number though) of active mobile phones vs previous year which people took to be because dead people don't need phones.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Just saw this on CNN. The CDC director doesn't believe the surge of cases in the south is from reopenings. Interesting food for thought. (being clear it doesn't negate what needs to be done now, regardless of how it happened).

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...14-20-intl/h_1a1de2cc15c4321f3b124cd2a3e26d83

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Just saw this on CNN. The CDC director doesn't believe the surge of cases in the south is from reopenings. Interesting food for thought. (being clear it doesn't negate what needs to be done now, regardless of how it happened).

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...14-20-intl/h_1a1de2cc15c4321f3b124cd2a3e26d83

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

I tend to agree with you, but still found it a big statement for the CDC to make.

 

[anthony2k7]

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

Its also a little bit of a contradiction. First he says it wasn't from reopening but then says it was probably related to memorial day holiday.

Well if everywhere was shutdown people would have been less likely to go anywhere for memorial day!

 

[godisney14]

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

True. I might be out of touch with rest of America, but I generally don’t view states such as AZ and TX to be vacation magnets typically.

 

[cakebaker]

I tend to agree with you, but still found it a big statement for the CDC to make.

The CDC Director lost all credibility a long time ago. I wouldn’t expect him to say anything else. The weird thing is, when is the last time someone said Oklahoma was a great a travel destination? LOL Yet our cases are skyrocketing. We doubled cases today with no significant increase in cases.

 

[kdonnel]

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

I have family that own a restaurant on Tybee Island Georgia. The area has had a large population from NY and NJ based on license plates since late April. A large number of people went south for vacation.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I have family that own a restaurant on Tybee Island Georgia. The area has had a large population from NY and NJ based on license plates since late April. A large number of people went south for vacation.

Those seem like people who left because of COVID, not people who are on vacation.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

The CDC Director lost all credibility a long time ago. I wouldn’t expect him to say anything else. The weird thing is, when is the last time someone said Oklahoma was a great a travel destination? LOL Yet our cases are skyrocketing. We doubled cases today with no significant increase in cases.

After I posted this, I went further down the CNN "live updates" post and saw one that said the CDC director said he thought we would get a break in July and August, which we're obviously not, so he was incorrect and would not be making any more predictions. The next update was that he says we're in for a terrible Fall/Winter, probably the worst we've ever had. Now, having not seen his actual interview, I don't know how or what order those two statements were said in, but found the irony a little funny.

And I could say the same about my area. While it is a travel destination for some, it's not in numbers that would account for the rise in cases. That are timed exactly with our swift reopening (I swear we went from nothing to everything in a month).

 

[kdonnel]

Those seem like people who left because of COVID, not people who are on vacation.

They left NY and NJ for vacation in states that were open.

He says the number of people from NY and NJ has just continued to rise.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

I wouldn't say that as a blanket statement. It's possible too that people saw the South as a beach refuge since many of that area had beaches still closed. You couldn't go too many places up in that area but you could in the South. You might be thinking weather playing a large role but I think many people this year are making decisions on where they can go and do things.

FL was added to NY's quarantine list in late June.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I don't think that could possibly be true. People tend to go North for summer vacation, not South.

Well, they do in normal years, but I know a bunch of people from NJ who headed down to Florida both before and after Memorial Day....because the rules were more lax down there. Our beaches in NJ were still closed through Memorial Day. So I guess it's possible. However, that doesn't explain the spike in Texas, Arizona and California.

Here at the Jersey Shore, we've seen a *lot* more NY plates this year. And people with NJ plates that you can tell are lost...likely from North Jersey. It's people renting homes down here who would normally travel to Europe and elsewhere for the summer. People are mostly vacationing close to home, just for a change of scenery. And certain states had pretty tough restrictions for summer travelers, including Maine.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Well, they do in normal years, but I know a bunch of people from NJ who headed down to Florida both before and after Memorial Day....because the rules were more lax down there. Our beaches in NJ were still closed through Memorial Day. So I guess it's possible. However, that doesn't explain the spike in Texas, Arizona and California.

Here at the Jersey Shore, we've seen a *lot* more NY plates this year. And people with NJ plates that you can tell are lost...likely from North Jersey. It's people renting homes down here who would normally travel to Europe and elsewhere for the summer. People are mostly vacationing close to home, just for a change of scenery. And certain states had pretty tough restrictions for summer travelers, including Maine.

You bring up a good point about NY/NJ as we had similar things happen in CA where people flocked to places where rules were more relaxed. Not that you said it or implied it all, but I think the "Northern" part of his statement is misleading as almost all states are north of FL, AZ & TX - and CA's hardest hit area (Los Angeles). I think people hear Northern and assume the Northeast, but it could really be travel from any/many states - or in CA's case, within the state.

 

[tippity]

Thank you for the link. Although that doesn’t say the one from Wuhan is more deadly unless I missed it.

here's another link you may find interesting: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aH...EwiH8Ouj583qAhUHg3IEHVXMBJQQieUEegQIBhAS&ep=6

 

[dvcgirl67]

You bring up a good point about NY/NJ as we had similar things happen in CA where people flocked to places where rules were more relaxed. Not that you said it or implied it all, but I think the "Northern" part of his statement is misleading as almost all states are north of FL, AZ & TX - and CA's hardest hit area (Los Angeles). I think people hear Northern and assume the Northeast, but it could really be travel from any/many states - or in CA's case, within the state.

I think that was the idea....people from NY/NJ (and the Northeast in general)...headed to places that were warm, and had relaxed rules. I personally only know of people who went to Florida. In our area of the country, there's also been the impulse to get out of the city....and to beachy towns/settings.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Still doesn't make much sense. If people were on vacation over Memorial Day -- are they still there, almost two months later?

 

[cakebaker]

We are only beginning to find out the damage this disease can do. https://www.newsweek.com/scans-reveal-heart-damage-over-half-covid-19-patients-study-1517293