GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[lovethesun12]

A report from the United States Department of Health and Human Services found that 139 clients exposed to two symptomatic hair stylists with confirmed COVID-19—with both the clients and stylists wearing face coverings—resulted in no symptomatic cases reported among all clients and no positive tests among those who volunteered to be tested.[104] This case was highlighted when the CDC reiterated that Americans should wear masks.[105]

My husband and I were discussing this the other day and it really does highlight how well masks work. I'd like to know the exact brand they had? Has it come up in either article?

On another note - my 4 year old demanded one the other day because she somehow got it into her head she could go to the toy store if she had one. I got her a pack of 5 and decided to bring her there. She loves them and when she got home played "doctor" all day with her mask instead of with her toy. She actually refused to take it off for hours. I definitely found it more annoying to wear than her (but I did). I guess kids really are more resilient, lol.

 

[montreid]

The interesting part is corporate America has come to an economic decision that it's better to enforce facial covering rules than not. Many major companies have adjusted recently even as government hasn't and that will move the needle on many instances.

The hardest hurdle will be indoor get togethers....bars, dance clubs....the speak easy will have a comeback if laws ban it.

 

[TLSnell1981]

My husband and I were discussing this the other day and it really does highlight how well masks work. I'd like to know the exact brand they had? Has it come up in either article?

On another note - my 4 year old demanded one the other day because she somehow got it into her head she could go to the toy store if she had one. I got her a pack of 5 and decided to bring her there. She loves them and when she got home played "doctor" all day with her mask instead of with her toy. She actually refused to take it off for hours. I definitely found it more annoying to wear than her (but I did). I guess kids really are more resilient, lol.

DH was blown away with a nasty sneeze last week...right in his face. Yes he was wearing a mask...not cloth. Two days later he was sick.

 

[lovethesun12]

DH was blown away with a nasty sneeze last week...right in his face. Yes he was wearing a mask...not cloth. Two days later he was sick.

My understanding was that masks aren't suppose to protect the person wearing them as much as protecting other people if the mask wearer is sick?

Not saying they would be 100% anyway though.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Funny, I remember post 9/11, and I don't remember anyone throwing a fit about having to take off their belts and shoes...throw the laptop through the scanner, etc. We did that, despite the inconvenience, because we all wanted to be safe and move on with our lives. It always felt like we were all in it together.

I flew right after 9/11 and other times after that and even now people still do complain about the need to remove jackets, belts, small electronics, what constitutes a risk and what doesn't, the liquid requirements, there are countless posts about TSA here just on the Boards. People and I'll be bold and say many don't do it because they all want to be safe and move on with their lives they do it because it's that or they don't fly or they subject themselves to a more in-depth pat down. My home airport doesn't require belts to be removed. I don't remove my belt. Airports all around use different measures on purpose and often switch things up so it keeps would-be harm doers in the dark for a time at least. Not being allowed on an airplane or your item not being allowed with you well that's a stiff consequence and in some ways that can be applied to how enforcement of this and that is or isn't happening in various places during this pandemic as to why some behaviors are this or that.

That was my point. The people who threw a fit....didn't fly. And so we all felt safe, and moved forward.

You haven't flown enough then because those people did fly and they still do fly.

'we all felt safe"? no not everyone did feel safe flying, there were a lot of nervous people on my flight right after 9/11 and they were very strict as in the woman in front of me had a manicure set that had to be thrown out (whereas today some of those previous requirements have been dropped though the small electronics is the main measure added in recent years) they don't always now especially when we know TSA has failed in screening out guns and other such contraband but picks up on a tums bottle as some sort of an issue because of the shape (yes that has happened a few years ago).

There's a lot of people that don't believe we're any safer flying today as a result of TSA themselves. That's IMO a large reason for people citing 'security theater'. Do I necessarily feel that way? No, I think sometimes things are for appearances, some things are meant for deterrence methods and some things truly do work but I wouldn't say "we all felt safe" because so and so who didn't like the rules didn't fly.

There were a lot of things about 9/11 that we came together on and I really wish we could get back to that connectivity we had back then but the TSA and flying was not one of them and still isn't now where people still find come down hard on just why we have to do this. REAL ID and all that mess which for many people is primarily related to flying. TSA and their practices tend to be lambasted.

 

[RamblingMad]

My understanding was that masks aren't suppose to protect the person wearing them as much as protecting other people if the mask wearer is sick?

Not saying they would be 100% anyway though.

Unless you're wearing a N95 mask, that's not necessarily true. Folks walking around without masks or wearing them improperly are putting you at risk.

 

[RamblingMad]

The interesting part is corporate America has come to an economic decision that it's better to enforce facial covering rules than not. Many major companies have adjusted recently even as government hasn't and that will move the needle on many instances.

The hardest hurdle will be indoor get togethers....bars, dance clubs....the speak easy will have a comeback if laws ban it.

Because closing down again would be bad.

 

[lovethesun12]

Unless you're wearing a N95 mask, that's not necessarily true. Folks walking around without masks or wearing them improperly are putting you at risk.

Isn't that what I said? My words are not coming across well today, lol.

If you wear a mask, it's really meant to protect others more than yourself (I think).

If two people wear a mask though, both are protected.

But social distancing is really the key. Masks will be most effective if social distancing guidelines are followed.

At least that's what I heard.

 

[wombat_5606]

My husband and I were discussing this the other day and it really does highlight how well masks work. I'd like to know the exact brand they had? Has it come up in either article?

On another note - my 4 year old demanded one the other day because she somehow got it into her head she could go to the toy store if she had one. I got her a pack of 5 and decided to bring her there. She loves them and when she got home played "doctor" all day with her mask instead of with her toy. She actually refused to take it off for hours. I definitely found it more annoying to wear than her (but I did). I guess kids really are more resilient, lol.

Yes, the article does say, but doesn't get specific. From reading it, I think stylist A made hers and stylist B wore a procedure mask.

During all interactions with clients at salon A, stylist A wore a double-layered cotton face covering, and stylist B wore a double-layered cotton face covering or a surgical mask.

They are and that is so cute. I really think your attitude helps too.

My 8 year old granddaughter can wear hers all day, either inside or outside. She's a trooper and never complains at all. We've been to the zoo in the heat and she's played outside for 5 hours. I'm waiting on her Disney masks to arrive this week. I hope they fit her.

 

[kdonnel]

I'm curious... how do you explain the case of the two hairdressers who both had Covid, saw 137(?) customers and not one customer became infected? EVERYONE wore masks. Social distancing didn't do anything.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/missouri-hairstylists-coronavirus-clients-trnd/index.htmlAnd if you don't like CNN...
https://www.businessinsider.com/two...onavirus-saw-140-clients-none-infected-2020-6

I don't.

The same way I can't explain how my daughters friend never caught corona virus from her boyfriend who she spent several nights in bed with while he was infectious. How no one in his family caught corona virus despite being inside with him for many days. Yet he apparently infected his room mate.

I don't think there has been any study that has defined exactly why some people are super spreaders and why some are not.

There is no study that has shown masks to be 100% effective in blocking transmission. Hopefully the studies that are being run now will give a number but right now that number appears to be 5x lower then the NPR graphic.

Edited to add:
One of the CDC guidelines for back to school is to have all desks facing the same direction. Could the hair dresser and client primarily facing the same direction during a haircut be the factor?

 

[TLSnell1981]

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Isn't that what I said? My words are not coming across well today, lol.

If you wear a mask, it's really meant to protect others more than yourself (I think).

If two people wear a mask though, both are protected.

But social distancing is really the key. Masks will be most effective if social distancing guidelines are followed.

At least that's what I heard.

This may be one of the reasons we are seeing increased spread. People are overconfident....especially with cloth masks.

How do the different types of masks work?

Surgical masks
Also called a medical mask, a surgical mask is a loose-fitting disposable mask that protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer.

At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus, but these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available.

N95 masks
Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles. Some N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales.
Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.
Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.

Cloth masks
A cloth mask is intended to trap droplets that are released when the wearer talks, coughs or sneezes. Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of the virus by people who have COVID-19 but don't realize it.
Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic have successfully slowed the spread of the virus.
While surgical and N95 masks may be in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers, cloth face coverings and masks are easy to find or make, and can be washed and reused.
Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. Instructions are easy to find online. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric. The CDCwebsite even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

 

[lovethesun12]

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The other person was wearing a mask too. Not all professions are able to social distance.

I am aware of that but thanks for reinforcing the idea?

I'm sorry your husband is sick, not sure that one instance is enough evidence that it means anyone who wants to wear a mask should toss it in the garbage though? I'm not sure why you quoted me to tell me that...

 

[kdonnel]

Omg. Are you kidding?

Yes.

I am specifically poking fun at the stupid graphic going around showing how a mask helps by equating it to peeing in your pants versus no pants.

 

[RamblingMad]

Isn't that what I said? My words are not coming across well today, lol.

If you wear a mask, it's really meant to protect others more than yourself (I think).

If two people wear a mask though, both are protected.

But social distancing is really the key. Masks will be most effective if social distancing guidelines are followed.

At least that's what I heard.

Same. I saw a lot of people not wearings masks properly or maintaining social distancing at Costco today, so I'm a little on the grumpy side.

 

[RamblingMad]

Yes.

I am specifically poking fun at the stupid graphic going around showing how a mask helps by equating it to peeing in your pants versus no pants.

Why is it that mostly ugly people don't wear masks properly? That's been my experience so far. The folks that would benefit the most from properly wearing them aren't.

 

[dvcgirl67]

You haven't flown enough then because those people did fly and they still do fly.

I don't have to fly for business, thankfully, but DH and I do fly 3-4 times a year for vacations. We've traveled around the world. I've seen plenty of morons throwing fits on flights and sometimes it's very scary. Typically those people were very drunk, or mentally ill. Both are very unsettling. But once they're on the plane, at least I know that their belongings have been scanned and their person has had to walk through security and a metal detector at a minimum. I was still willing to fly with that small risk pre-COVID. Now...not so much.

We need to tackle the virus. That's all there is to it. There's yet another letter signed by experts to Congress begging them to shut the country down for a period of time. Why not shut things down, at least to the same degree that many of us have in the country? Nothing indoors except for necessities. No bars. No restaurants. For the love of Pete...no theme parks. Shut it down for one month, and then open up under the same parameters on a national level. Put a curfew in place. Shut down all travel, including flights, trains and cars unless you can prove it's essential. Let's all play by the same rules. One month. We know now that if we all stayed away from one other legitimately, we could *greatly* slow the spread of this thing.

Why not do it now...for the month of August, and then open up slowly and correctly. And maybe we'll get through this. I guarantee you, that if we did that, you will have a heck of a lot of people who will feel better about the country. One more month isn't going to hurt anyone more than going forward as we are will hurt them. I guarantee you that we'll be hurt far more if we continue on like this.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I am aware of that but thanks for reinforcing the idea?

I'm sorry your husband is sick, not sure that one instance is enough evidence that it means anyone who wants to wear a mask should toss it in the garbage though? I'm not sure why you quoted me to tell me that...

Thank you for your concern. I quoted...because you commented on how well masks work. I guess not always.

 

[Christine]

Imagine if people brushed off the lives lost and forever changed on 9/11 with percentages the way they do the lives lost and forever changed by COVID-19.

Imagine treating 9/11 deaths the way people do COVID. Oh he was old, oh she was fat, oh he had asthma, oh he was just incredibly unlucky, etc. We can’t change our lives because an extremely small amount of people died!

There's nothing more sobering than watching planes crash into buildings and then spending a day watching them fall to the ground. I think that's the difference. The COVID deaths and the exhaustion and sacrifice of the front-line workers seems far removed from most people. It hasn't shaken them to their core as 9/11 did for most.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Same. I saw a lot of people not wearings masks properly or maintaining social distancing at Costco today, so I'm a little on the grumpy side.

I would rather people wear masks than not but from my experience as masks have become mandatory either at the local level or at the business level or both people have forgotten to keep apart from each other. There were always people here and there that got too close but I think many of us were hyper aware of our spacing between people when we didn't rely masks and when masks weren't (corrected word) as common.

I also think places need to all be consistent even in franchise locations regarding spacial markers on the floor. I don't really think the one-way aisles are worth the hassle those seem to have been abandoned largely not long after they were put in place in my area but the 6ft 'stand here' markers on the floor near the check out area seem to really help. Of course not everyone pays attention but it's a more in your face visual marker for how far apart 6 feet is.

I went to Party City on Friday in two different parts of my area. Both in good areas but 1 had the distance markers on the floor the other did not. They were located 6 miles from each other. The location that had the markers had greater compliance of keeping distance at the cash register. Left to figure it out ourselves I observed many in line who were too close together. Yes all were wearing masks but the 1 location that had the distance markers on the floor there was a guest that came in and had it under her chin the entire time and the 1 location that had the distance markers one of the cashiers had his mask under his nose.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I would rather people wear masks than not but from my experience as masks have become mandatory either at the local level or at the business level or both people have forgotten to keep apart from each other. There were always people here and there that got too close but I think many of us were hyper aware of our spacing between people when we didn't rely masks and when masks were as common.

I also think places need to all be consistent even in franchise locations regarding spacial markers on the floor. I don't really think the one-way aisles are worth the hassle those seem to have been abandoned largely not long after they were put in place in my area but the 6ft 'stand here' markers on the floor near the check out area seem to really help. Of course not everyone pays attention but it's a more in your face visual marker for how far apart 6 feet is.

I went to Party City on Friday in two different parts of my area. Both in good areas but 1 had the distance markers on the floor the other did not. They were located 6 miles from each other. The location that had the markers had greater compliance of keeping distance at the cash register. Left to figure it out ourselves I observed many in line who were too close together. Yes all were wearing masks but the 1 location that had the distance markers on the floor there was a guest that came in and had it under her chin the entire time and the 1 location that had the distance markers one of the cashiers had his mask under his nose.

Exactly. It's why I believe too much stock is put into mask wearing. Some don't even try to distance. They believe it's safe because they covered up. Throw a mask around your neck and you've done your part.