Grand Floridian shouldn’t allow non hotel guests

[nuhusky123]

The

No there isn’t. However, the OWNER has said Joe CAN come in, get his pictures taken, walk around, buy a treat (or not) & spend as much time as he wants. Until the OWNER announces otherwise, Joe Public can come & go as he pleases. To keep insisting otherwise is just being argumentative.

The whole point of thread is to stop allowing Joe

 

[Sandisw]

I’m genuinely curious, why does Disney place all of their large gingerbread displays exclusively at the Deluxe resorts, but not at the Value or Moderate resorts?

My pure guess? To encourage those guests to visit the deluxe resort to shop and dine and spend more money!!

But, those lobbies tend to be set up in a way to accommodate them as well.

 

[Sandisw]

The

The whole point of thread is to stop allowing Joe

I think what you may be finding here is that many of us don’t want to see Disney change their policy from what it is now…resorts open for visiting, shopping and dining no matter the time of year and don’t consider public spaces anything else then public.

 

[BeachClub2014]

No there isn’t. However, the OWNER has said Joe CAN come in, get his pictures taken, walk around, buy a treat (or not) & spend as much time as he wants. Until the OWNER announces otherwise, Joe Public can come & go as he pleases. To keep insisting otherwise is just being argumentative.

I think the contrarian point being made is that although the owner has said Joe Public can come hang out at the GF, that policy should be changed. To keep insisting that someone who feels that way is wrong is just as argumentative and dismissive.

I don't ever go to the GF so don't have a dog in the fight, but as an empathetic person I can understand the point and the concern.

 

[Chuck S]

I’m genuinely curious, why does Disney place all of their large gingerbread displays exclusively at the Deluxe resorts, but not at the Value or Moderate resorts?

Likely to draw the moderate and value resort guests into the deluxe resorts to show them off, and maybe the moderate and value resort guests will upgrade to deluxe on their next trip. Especially for first time visitors who may not have seen the deluxe resorts before. Growing up in Southern California, I knew as soon as the preliminary drawings for WDW in the late 1960s were realeased that if I was ever able to go there, I wanted to stay in the Contemporary Tower. Same sort of wow factor. Stayed in the tower twice prior to buying OKW in 1992.

 

[nuhusky123]

Isn't that kind of like advocating for an airport to move, if it was there first, and you decided to build a house next to it?

Come on now you’ve never advocated for a change

As I said a few pages back I went to gf same week last year, crowds at gf were no where near as bad as they are this year

Last year I was cool. This year I’m out for change because something changed at Disney to increase the crowd level

Disney also change their position on stuff all the time


Price hikes to tickets

Premier plus

Etc etc all in the name of more money. I’m annoyed Disney give me less for my money and give me more and more crowds to content with. I’ve hit my breaking point

This is my windmill tilt

 

[BeachClub2014]

I think what you may be finding here is that many of us don’t want to see Disney change their policy to allow resorts to be open for visiting, no matter the time of year and don’t consider public spaces anything else then public.

Define public. Do you mean public as in open to other guests staying somewhere at wdw or public as in literally anyone in the world can go into any wdw resort whenever the mood strikes. Just curious if you feel there are any access boundaries

 

[nuhusky123]

I think what you may be finding here is that many of us don’t want to see Disney change their policy from what it is now…resorts open for visiting, shopping and dining no matter the time of year and don’t consider public spaces anything else then public.

Totally cool and I’m in no way attacking anyone from having a different view than me. Honestly I’m Shocked anyone agreed with me at all. I was expecting 100% to be out with pitchforks.

I do think the personal attacks to be immature though

 

[eandt]

I think the contrarian point being made is that although the owner has said Joe Public can come hang out at the GF, that policy should be changed. To keep insisting that someone who feels that way is wrong is just as argumentative and dismissive.

I don't ever go to the GF so don't have a dog in the fight, but as an empathetic person I can understand the point and the concern.

You should go check it out … beautiful resort especially at Christmas time and the restaurants are wonderful as well … just a nice place to spend some time just checking out the amenities … the ingress there is fine but the egress can apparently be trying at times

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think the contrarian point being made is that although the owner has said Joe Public can come hang out at the GF, that policy should be changed. To keep insisting that someone who feels that way is wrong is just as argumentative and dismissive.

I don't ever go to the GF so don't have a dog in the fight, but as an empathetic person I can understand the point and the concern.

There isn't a person that I've seen on this thread that is saying they don't understand how it would/does/could feel. But what that talk was arguing that private property=private. Private property just means more decisions are up to the owner of said property. There's still things that legally they must do but they have more freedom to do more of what they want. So continuing to argue that private property means only Grand Floridian guests and only them is being argumentative just for the sake of it because I have a good faith assumption that the OP understands what the majority of comments are even if they don't agree with them.

 

[focusondisney]

The

The whole point of thread is to stop allowing Joe

If that’s the intent of your thread, you can stop bringing up legal requirements. Since there are none that support your point. And good luck with that. But don’t fool yourself into thinking WDW will miss you when you sell your points.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

Well…this thread has certainly taken many circles.

I don’t personally agree with the OP that the lobby and grounds should be completely inaccessible to visitors. I love visiting other resorts and it would harm my experience more to be sheltered to just one hotel so I agree with those that part of the fun is the atmosphere brought by everyone sharing in said fun.

But, I still absolutely think these resorts that have high visitor traffic (and I don’t just mean GF) should have some form of priority when using its own amenities and transportation. Otherwise, why would anyone book there? If all are treated equally, why would anyone pay 3x+ the amount as someone staying at anywhere else? The rooms at most of the resorts are pretty great with recent refurbs, that can’t be the only factor. IMO, there should be greater incentive during these busy periods. (As an aside, I also think guests should also have priority access to booking restaurants at the hotels they’re booked at, but that’s a different conversation)

Sure, extra buses and boats are a welcome addition, but Disney should find a way to implement priority access for those staying on that specific property (we literally pay extra in dues and fees for the monorail), during peak times and seasons. I’m not sure why this idea has been cast aside as a can’t do, they do this all the time. Every deluxe EEH, they go out of their way to check everyone’s magic bands at every ride to ensure the experience. Or the beach at the Poly during July 4th. Or SAB all the time. Why can’t this be a similar thing? It doesn’t have to be always, but it’s clear that holiday season, Easter week, the beginning hours of MK/HS parties are high congestion times. Even if there’s a wait for the monorail with a priority lane because so many monorail resort guests are using it still cuts down some of the wait.

 

[nuhusky123]

If that’s the intent of your thread, you can stop bringing up legal requirements. Since there are none that support your point. And good luck with that. But don’t fool yourself into thinking WDW will miss you when you sell your points.

Legal comments as in gf has the right to decide how to use their property or whom to allow?

Why do you keep trying to attack me saying Disney won’t miss me?

 

[BeachClub2014]

You should go check it out … beautiful resort especially at Christmas time and the restaurants are wonderful as well … just a nice place to spend some time just checking out the amenities … the ingress there is fine but the egress can apparently be trying at times

Lol, no thanks. I had family that did stay there and tried to take the monorail to the Poly for dinner and it took them over an hour because the monorail wait was so long. I avoid both of these resorts like the plague!

 

[Genie+]

I don’t know where the notion of GF guests expecting a higher standard or being a step above the rest comes from, but to me, that doesn’t translate into limiting visitors.

I think people are mentioning GF and the deluxe level pricing in particular because that is the resort where the problem is happening. It’s not that Grand Flo is some special resort that must be protected at all costs. Instead, first and foremost, this unique problem is happening AT Grand Flo where access to amenities can be heavily disrupted come December. Once that is established, the secondary factor is cost premium for amenities/resort experience that become unreliable which starts to bring the value proposition into question.

Looking at it from a value proposition, this is why CBR started issuing pool wristbands. The proximity off the skyliner and cool pool features made it convenient for pool-hopping. Of course the pool is restricted, but that’s less the point than WDW protecting the premium these guests were paying for the totality of CBR resort experience. Skyliner is NOT blocked yet cabins are held for RIV station and I do not believe that is only to make RIV a functioning station but to also help protect RIV guest experience where these people are typically paying the premium for convenience to this amenity. To defend these operations at CBR or RIV is not necessarily being elitist, neither is mention of the cost premiums.

In all 3 cases resort guest experience impacts value proposition once disruption to the showcased amenities comes in to play.

Maybe that’s why people are reading comments differently, some with assumptions that every comment defending the protection of the overall GF guest resort experience is somehow rooted in an elitist perspective.

 

[eandt]

Totally cool and I’m in no way attacking anyone from having a different view than me. Honestly I’m Shocked anyone agreed with me at all. I was expecting 100% to be out with pitchforks.

I do think the personal attacks to be immature though

I’ve actually enjoyed this thread …. It’s been fun

 

[nuhusky123]

I’ve actually enjoyed this thread …. It’s been fun

I’m enjoying the debate.

And let’s not kid ourselves. I have zero, massive emphasis on zero expectation Disney will ever change their policy

Am I upset about it yes. Will I sell my gfv contract at end of 2025, probably. Could something change my mind between now and end of 2025. Perhaps.

But I do want Disney to do better. Stop taking away and just do better

 

[eandt]

I think people are mentioning GF and the deluxe level pricing in particular because that is the resort where the problem is happening. It’s not that Grand Flo is some special resort that must be protected at all costs. Instead, first and foremost, this unique problem is happening AT Grand Flo where access to amenities can be heavily disrupted come December. Once that is established, the secondary factor is cost premium for amenities/resort experience that become unreliable which starts to bring the value proposition into question.

Looking at it from a value proposition, this is why CBR started issuing pool wristbands. The proximity off the skyliner and cool pool features made it convenient for pool-hopping. Of course the pool is restricted, but that’s less the point than WDW protecting the premium these guests were paying for the totality of CBR resort experience. Skyliner is NOT blocked yet cabins are held for RIV station and I do not believe that is only to make RIV a functioning station but to help protect RIV guest experience where these people are typically paying the premium for convenience to this amenity. To defend these operations at CBR or RIV is not necessarily being elitist, neither is mention of the cost premiums.

In all 3 cases resort guest experience impacts value proposition once disruption to the showcased amenities comes in to play.

Maybe that’s why people are reading comments differently, some with assumptions that every comment defending the protection of the overall GF guest resort experience is somehow rooted in an elitist perspective.

Disney should make a new category of resort … a Disney Deluxe Deluxe resort if you will

 

[focusondisney]

Legal comments as in gf has the right to decide how to use their property or whom to allow?

Why do you keep trying to attack me saying Disney won’t miss me?

That is not an attack. It is pointing out that there are complaints about all kinds of things related to WDW all the time. Everything from paid fastpasses to ADR cancellation fees to closing parking to deluxe Extra Hours. Constant complaints. And yet, WDW is busier than ever. There are plenty of people spending lots of money. A single guest who decides they’ve had enough is hardly even noticed.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Will I sell my gfv contract at end of 2025, probably. Could something change my mind between now and end of 2025. Perhaps.

I knew this would come out eventually it almost always is the case. Now I'm not trying to convince you to sell or not sell that's all your business just to say it's all to easy to say one will and to list off the reasons and it's another thing to actually firmly sell, get rid of it and for the exact reasons publicly stated.

But I do want Disney to do better. Stop taking away and just do better

I think that might be the only thing collectively most of the thread agrees on.