Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

[pixiewings71]

Contact the seller and see if they will let you back out, otherwise I think you might be out of luck.

 

[Spiffie]

Did we ever figure out if there is something hinky going on with THEWILL. I have been eyeing a lot of their auctions lately looking for decent pins at good prices for trading fodder this October, but if he is messing the prices by shill bidding, maybe we should stay away from them

I bid on 4 of his things. Was outbid on 1 and I didn't re-bid on that item. He sent me one invoice for my 3 things at the end of the week (to combine shippping) and has marked them as shipped. I think it will end up being fine. All in all, including shipping, I have $18 invested. So, I am not too worried. Seemed legit to me.

 

[Tammylynn]

Is there any way to cancel this transaction now ????

I'm sorry to be such a newbie. If someone can point me to some help, I would surely appreciate it. Maybe I will just have to eat crow this time and pay up...

Send a message and tell the seller the truth: You have since done some research and are concerned that the pins you bought were scrappers.

Ask where the pins came from and if they are legitimate pins from the Disney Parks.

Chances are, if they are scrappers, the seller will give you a refund to save their feedback. If you notice, not many auctions say anything about not being scrappers-they just say '100% tradeable' (TheWill does say not scrappers, which gives me the feeling his are somehow legit).

Good luck

 

[junebugTN]

I don't know. I have bid on several of his pins and was never outbid. His prices are so low, that I think a lot of people have automatic bidding on them, and that would explain the automatic counter bid. I ended up going with his 100 pin lot and that was fantastic and cheaper than buying individual pins. He tossed in like, 5 extras, too.

I have to agree with surfergirl602 about thewill. Whenever I need a Disney fix, I'll put a bunch of low bids on thewill pins for trading. I've bought tons of pins from him over the last few years and never had a problem.

In fact, next to thelionqueen he's my all time favorite source for Disney pins.

June

 

[Zoebear]

Send a message and tell the seller the truth: You have since done some research and are concerned that the pins you bought were scrappers.

Ask where the pins came from and if they are legitimate pins from the Disney Parks.

Chances are, if they are scrappers, the seller will give you a refund to save their feedback. If you notice, not many auctions say anything about not being scrappers-they just say '100% tradeable' (TheWill does say not scrappers, which gives me the feeling his are somehow legit).

Good luck

Thanks. I did and here is the response:

"Hi, thanks for writing with your question regarding your recent purchase which has not been yet been shipped. These pins have all been traded for at Disney parks. They bear the official pintrading logo and meet pintrading guidelines posted at Officialdisneypins.com".

So I guess I'll have to take the chance...Interesting I could not find that website. Are you familiar ?
Thanks for your advice.

 

[Broncobilly83]

Thanks. I did and here is the response:

"Hi, thanks for writing with your question regarding your recent purchase which has not been yet been shipped. These pins have all been traded for at Disney parks. They bear the official pintrading logo and meet pintrading guidelines posted at Officialdisneypins.com".

So I guess I'll have to take the chance...Interesting I could not find that website. Are you familiar ?
Thanks for your advice.

I think they meant this site:

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/index

Which is the official site of Pin Trading by Disney, and yes it has rules on it that matches what they state, but so do scrappers. That is the problem, not that they do not have the official pin trading logo, etc, but that they were unauthorized by Disney.

 

[surfergirl602]

Thanks. I did and here is the response:

"Hi, thanks for writing with your question regarding your recent purchase which has not been yet been shipped. These pins have all been traded for at Disney parks. They bear the official pintrading logo and meet pintrading guidelines posted at Officialdisneypins.com".

So I guess I'll have to take the chance...Interesting I could not find that website. Are you familiar ?
Thanks for your advice.

Ummm... yeah.... those probably are scrappers. That's what they all say. The "bear the official pin trading logo and meet guidelines" is the big giveaway there. I've also never heard of that website either.

 

[Zoebear]

Oh dear. Fool me once I guess . Lesson learned for next time. Thanks for your input

 

[pixiewings71]

Oh dear. Fool me once I guess . Lesson learned for next time. Thanks for your input

Zoe, contact the seller again and tell them you aren't comfortable with the purchase, ask again if they will let you back out. If they don't come here and we can try to help you figure out what you got. If they do send scrappers give them negative FB.

 

[Joan92120]

Thanks. I did and here is the response:

"Hi, thanks for writing with your question regarding your recent purchase which has not been yet been shipped. These pins have all been traded for at Disney parks. They bear the official pintrading logo and meet pintrading guidelines posted at Officialdisneypins.com".

So I guess I'll have to take the chance...Interesting I could not find that website. Are you familiar ?
Thanks for your advice.

After my experience with nannub (now known as parrotsandpins) and seeing the last negative comment on nannub's page that reads "Use common sense, can anyone have real pins in lots of 200+, the pins are fake." (parrotsandpins states this will be removed as buyer never paid for the pin), I asked my son to look into this whole thing. Nannub or parrotsandpins as she is now called also claims their pins are traded for. I will now turn this over to my son as I am still trying to understand this:

Consider this. On 4/14 parrotsandpins sold 10 100 pin lots and 12 200 pin lots which equals 3,400. From what I can tell, nannub selles about this many pins each and every day.

If 2 people were trading pins at the parks, and they traded 1 pin each minute, they would need to trade for 28 hours to accumulate 3,400 pins. Quite a task as this is 4 hours more than exists in each day. Even if you assume they have 4 people trading for pins, that requires 14 hours from each trader to accumulate that many pins. This does not even take into consideration that they would need about 3,400 pins to start with to trade for 3,400 pins as it is a pin for pin trade with cast members.

To further this analysis using a conservative estimate that she sells this many pins 50% of the year insead of each and every day, or about only 180 days each year, they would need to acquire 604,800 pins for sale. This is an unbeliveable number of pins to trade for in one year.

This poses some interesting questions for parrotsandpins and places her claim that all pins were traded for in doubt.

So if she is not trading for the pins, where can one purchase pins that you can sell for between $0.55 and $0.79 per pin and still make a profit after paying all the ebay and paypal fees? She would have to purchase these pins at $0.20 to $0.40 per pin to make any profit. Where can one buy pins for about $0.40 each or less? I would suspect they would almost have to be contracting with manufacters to produce this quantity of Disney pins. The only way this would be legal, I think, is they would need to have a license from Disney to produce these pins or they are unlicensed and unauthorized pins. Just something to think about before you purchase these pins.

 

[DisneyRunner2009]

Joan, I love your break down. It reminds me of the math problem regarding two trains, leaving different stations, at different times, going different speeds. When will the trains cross paths? My husband wonders how pin sellers on Ebay make money.

 

[deerhart]

Ummm... yeah.... those probably are scrappers. That's what they all say. The "bear the official pin trading logo and meet guidelines" is the big giveaway there. I've also never heard of that website either.

The website is a legit disney website. I found it last year when I was looking for the pin trading rules with Disney. It is also the site your sent to if you get new pin release information (like the Alice Movie pin I SOOO wanted!!)

If you go to that website, you will notice that the URL changes to this

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/index

As for scrappers, I am really having a hard time telling what is/isn't real. Further if we go to the parks and then trade aren't we risking picking up scrappers from the CM, which takes the whole point of pin trading well pointless?

Is there anyway of knowing besides trying to figure out if a color or finish is off? I know all the pins I have do have the official logos and such on the backs.

and yes i STILL want this one

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=48944

 

[surfergirl602]

The website is a legit disney website. I found it last year when I was looking for the pin trading rules with Disney. It is also the site your sent to if you get new pin release information (like the Alice Movie pin I SOOO wanted!!)

If you go to that website, you will notice that the URL changes to this

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/index

As for scrappers, I am really having a hard time telling what is/isn't real. Further if we go to the parks and then trade aren't we risking picking up scrappers from the CM, which takes the whole point of pin trading well pointless?

Is there anyway of knowing besides trying to figure out if a color or finish is off? I know all the pins I have do have the official logos and such on the backs.

and yes i STILL want this one

http://eventservices.disney.go.com/pintrading/pin?id=48944

When I type that link into google, I get an error message. I don't get transferred to anything?

 

[surfergirl602]

After my experience with nannub (now known as parrotsandpins) and seeing the last negative comment on nannub's page that reads "Use common sense, can anyone have real pins in lots of 200+, the pins are fake." (parrotsandpins states this will be removed as buyer never paid for the pin), I asked my son to look into this whole thing. Nannub or parrotsandpins as she is now called also claims their pins are traded for. I will now turn this over to my son as I am still trying to understand this:

Consider this. On 4/14 parrotsandpins sold 10 100 pin lots and 12 200 pin lots which equals 3,400. From what I can tell, nannub selles about this many pins each and every day.

If 2 people were trading pins at the parks, and they traded 1 pin each minute, they would need to trade for 28 hours to accumulate 3,400 pins. Quite a task as this is 4 hours more than exists in each day. Even if you assume they have 4 people trading for pins, that requires 14 hours from each trader to accumulate that many pins. This does not even take into consideration that they would need about 3,400 pins to start with to trade for 3,400 pins as it is a pin for pin trade with cast members.

To further this analysis using a conservative estimate that she sells this many pins 50% of the year insead of each and every day, or about only 180 days each year, they would need to acquire 604,800 pins for sale. This is an unbeliveable number of pins to trade for in one year.

This poses some interesting questions for parrotsandpins and places her claim that all pins were traded for in doubt.

So if she is not trading for the pins, where can one purchase pins that you can sell for between $0.55 and $0.79 per pin and still make a profit after paying all the ebay and paypal fees? She would have to purchase these pins at $0.20 to $0.40 per pin to make any profit. Where can one buy pins for about $0.40 each or less? I would suspect they would almost have to be contracting with manufacters to produce this quantity of Disney pins. The only way this would be legal, I think, is they would need to have a license from Disney to produce these pins or they are unlicensed and unauthorized pins. Just something to think about before you purchase these pins.

Can you even leave feedback without paying? It's been a while for me.
Joan, I like the feedback you left, and the comment nannub left. LOL clearly, you set up a fake name and went through all that trouble just to bid on items you didn't really want only so you could leave negative feedback. Yup.
I wish there was a way to post that breakdown on ebay for people to see!!!! That's very good!

 

[surfergirl602]

Did you guys read down a bit further? Did you see this feedback? The seller actually called the seller a moron!!

Rec'd multiples of EVERY pin, 4 of a kind, and took 5 bus days to send. Buyer:
dalovebug53 ( 9 )
Apr-05-10 17:48


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Reply by parrotsandpins (Apr-05-10 19:18):
auction states multiples. nothing but morons!
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Follow-up by dalovebug53 (Apr-06-10 15:00):
Tip:Spend more time clarifying your auctions rather then being rude to customers

 

[deerhart]

When I type that link into google, I get an error message. I don't get transferred to anything?

Bah sorry, long hectic day at work. I didn't put in the link I googled the link and got the official disney pin trading page

Sorry

 

[Joan92120]

Can you even leave feedback without paying? It's been a while for me.
Joan, I like the feedback you left, and the comment nannub left. LOL clearly, you set up a fake name and went through all that trouble just to bid on items you didn't really want only so you could leave negative feedback. Yup.
I wish there was a way to post that breakdown on ebay for people to see!!!! That's very good!

I am please to say I found another seller that has been great so far. Item was purchases, paid for and he says it is on it's way.

Got the same Tinker Bell jumbo pin that nannub refused to sell me as a gift for my granddaughter. Now looking for a really nice Mickey pirate pin for my grandson.

Glad to see that there are good sellers on eBay. After my horrible experience with parrotsandpins (nannub) I was really beginning to wonder.

 

[blockscrappers]

Hello,
Enjoyed this tread greatly!
Wish I had seen it sooner. I will have a seller to add in a bit after my transaction is settled. I will wait because I don't want to ruin the transaction. I would like to assist in this endeavor. Thanks!

 

[blockscrappers]

Does anyone have advice when to trade with CMs so to minimize chance of receiving a scrapper? Thanks.

 

[pixiewings71]

It really doesn't matter when you trade, CMs will come from the back with scrappers on their lanyards and not even know it.